My Thoughts on Earl and TAR 22

No it's not. It's about his actions. Earl the pool player isn't Earl the man. So Earl has some personality flaws at/around the pool table - is that a reason to publicly tear him down as a person? No.

Ah, but here is where you are wrong.

Earl the pool player IS Earl the man.

If he couldn't play pool the way he does, no one would be talking about him at all.

If he wasn't a complete ass while at the pool table or around other people who are there because of him playing pool (JCIN, etc), people would be talking about him but not with the negativity these threads have.

Besides, anyone who puts themselves under the public's microscope should be expecting some criticism, right or wrong, that is the way it is. True professionals understand this and go with the flow. Some just don't get it or refuse to embrace it, and MOST of the time, end up paying for their lack of conformity in some manner. Maybe this is how it plays out for Earl.




Let's put it in even simpler terms:

You are driving down the road.

Someone cuts you off.

You think "That person is a dick".

or

You think "That person is a horrible driver but they don't deserve to be called a dick".

So I am cruising through youtube.

I see multiple videos of Earl flipping out.

I think "That guy is a dick".

Case closed.
 
Not at all....the folks in NPR would get quite a laugh at this. I am trying to be careful with my words though.

How about this - all of you freakin' losers who couldn't hold Earl's jock strap need to shut the f**k up and get on with your pathetic lives and leave one of the greatest players to ever play the game alone.

But you see.....I'm trying to be a little more polite out of respect for the Main Forum. :thumbup:

Hahaha UGOT and his bleeding heart. So sensitive to peoples feelings! Priceless Spanky79.
 
Ah, but here is where you are wrong.

Earl the pool player IS Earl the man.

If he couldn't play pool the way he does, no one would be talking about him at all.

If he wasn't a complete ass while at the pool table or around other people who are there because of him playing pool (JCIN, etc), people would be talking about him but not with the negativity these threads have.

Besides, anyone who puts themselves under the public's microscope should be expecting some criticism, right or wrong, that is the way it is. True professionals understand this and go with the flow. Some just don't get it or refuse to embrace it, and MOST of the time, end up paying for their lack of conformity in some manner. Maybe this is how it plays out for Earl.




Let's put it in even simpler terms:

You are driving down the road.

Someone cuts you off.

You think "That person is a dick".

or

You think "That person is a horrible driver but they don't deserve to be called a dick".

So I am cruising through youtube.

I see multiple videos of Earl flipping out.

I think "That guy is a dick".

Case closed.

There you go making sense again. WTF, I've been gone too long.

As far as all this is concerned...it's Justin's right to not want Earl participating in any further TAR matches due to his percieved lack of social couth, rudeness, disrespect, what have you. I did not get the opportunity to watch the stream, unfortunately. From what I've read, and from the updates that I was receiving, Earl was in typical form; worse in some cases.

I will say this. If he had gone out of his way to verbally attack spectators who paid good money, and according to Justin, money which was used to pay part of Earl's appearance fee, then he was wrong. That's black and white to me. Justin showed an incredible amount of restraint in not saying something. He was truly in a no-win situation.

However, the discussions into his personal life, I just don't get. I don't care to discuss whether or not Earl is sick. I don't care to discuss whether Earl smokes the whacky tobaky. I don't care if his problems really started when he was divorced. Why? It's NOT MY F'N BUSINESS. Those are between Earl and his Dr., if he chooses to go that route. Between Earl and his chosen vendor of self medicating herbal aromatics. Between Earl and his ex-wife. They most certainly do not involve me, or anyone else who is not one of the three people above. Those issues have nothing to do, directly, with what happened on the stream and with the spectators, (which is reprehensible to say the least). Justin is the ONLY person on here who really has any right to say anything, as he was the promoter of this event.

And for those that wish to draw comparisons to the game of golf, stop. Golf has emerged as a global BUSINESS. The players on the PGA tour are held to a very strict code of ethics. As are the players on the Nationwide Tour, the LPGA and the Champions Tour. Yes, they're playing for huge sums of money. But that's because the people in the past who worked for the PGA of America, USGA, and other associations around the world worked tirelessly to market the game and garner sponsors. IMHO, the only comparison between the two are the level of difficulty they provide to the player and the amount of precision to play both at a masters level. Beyond that, it's apples and dried up fur balls. Professional golf is a business. Pool...well, until this industry has developed the foundation that has been developed in golf, and nurtured it by cooperation and clever marketing, pool will never be on the same level, or even close. And one more thing on this. If Earl wants so badly for this game to be treated like the PGA tour, then he has to act the part as a professional.

I really do want to see Earl at his best. Not his worst. He's an unbelievably talented player. No one here in this thread has said any different. I don't remember who said it earlier, but Earl's actions are what are in question. If he is sick, I hope he gets help...beyond that, really don't care to get involved...and won't dignify gossip by talking about it with people who aren't directly involved.

Justin, you've always put forth a phenomenal product. Even though I didn't purchase this, I have no doubt that this was any different, regardless of Earl's antics. You and a handful of others in the industry give me hope that in the future, perhaps the far future, there might be a living to be made for the elite players. Keep up the great work.
 
whatever

if respect is all that, why have rogan as a commentator? thats not respect towards one of the players.
 
if respect is all that, why have rogan as a commentator? thats not respect towards one of the players.

Um, how is having one of the most well known fight commentators, who also happens to be extremely knowledgeable about pool and a pretty good player to boot, commentate the match disrespectful?

Even with Rogan's youtube video mocking Earl (which was a joke), how is he disrespectful to Shane?
 
mocking isnt joking. its disrespect in its essence. joe rogan may well be able to convince someoe to eat a plate of worms or a turd or whatever but isn't qualified to wipe earl's boots.
 
Ah, but here is where you are wrong.

Earl the pool player IS Earl the man.

If he couldn't play pool the way he does, no one would be talking about him at all.

If he wasn't a complete ass while at the pool table or around other people who are there because of him playing pool (JCIN, etc), people would be talking about him but not with the negativity these threads have.

Besides, anyone who puts themselves under the public's microscope should be expecting some criticism, right or wrong, that is the way it is. True professionals understand this and go with the flow. Some just don't get it or refuse to embrace it, and MOST of the time, end up paying for their lack of conformity in some manner. Maybe this is how it plays out for Earl.




Let's put it in even simpler terms:

You are driving down the road.

Someone cuts you off.

You think "That person is a dick".

or

You think "That person is a horrible driver but they don't deserve to be called a dick".

So I am cruising through youtube.

I see multiple videos of Earl flipping out.

I think "That guy is a dick".

Case closed.
I understand what you are saying, but in Psychology there is a term for this phenomenon:

the fundamental attribution error

which is the tendency to make judgments about others' disposition while discounting or downplaying the situation the person is in (don't really know how he behaves outside of pool because I don't know him personally). Not saying that this dismisses Earl's actions, but it explains the driving example quite well.
 
Golf - when Tiger go off the rails it costs him tens of millions in sponsorships.

Pool - When Earl goes off people go nuts over a couple thou.

I am sure what pisses Earl off is that Tiger loses more than Earl has made in his entire career and still keeps on swinging.

But, that's life. Tiger's daddy put a golf club in his hands when he was four. Had it been a pool cue then Tiger would be where Shane is at now.

No one is twisting Earl's arm and making him be a professional pool player. People walk away from careers all the time and do other things. Some of them with no money to their name. If you hate your career, hate your colleagues, hate your life, then do something else.

We all know the stories about broke ex-champions. Every sport has them. So what? It's sad but the world keeps turning for the losers and the winners. Time does not care if you were the world champion, it does not care if you made millions and squandered them, it does not care if you play for years barely getting by or not.

At the end of the day playing pool and getting paid for it is better than 90% of the world's population has it. Most people in the world have to work REAL HARD to make a living and they would really happy to get $1000 just to show up somewhere.

Most of the world's population doesn't make $1000 in an entire year of work. That's backbreaking hard work every day for 10 hours or more a day under crappy conditions with no running water, no electricity, no hospitals and no Super Walmarts.

So it's really simple. Count your blessings that it's POSSIBLE to get paid for doing something like hitting balls into holes. We totally lose perspective here and Earl is completely off the deep end.

Let's contrast Earl with Jeanette Lee.

Jeanette shows up in China and interacts with the fans pleasantly and jokingly. She networks with everyone who can benefit her business, which is Jeannette Lee, and makes sure that they feel good and have her information. And she has done this since she was 22 years old. She and Ralf Souquet treat their careers like businesses and so they don't have to rely on winning tournaments to live well.

Earl got real lucky that Janet Shimel took a liking to him and decided to sponsor him, convincing Jones Chang, the owner of Cuetec to chip in. Janet spent a decade apologizing for Earl, trying to work around his quirks, and keep him happy.

How did he repay her and Jones? When he was finally dropped a couple years ago he badmouthed them and the product saying that using their cues stunted his career. The same guy who won several World titles using Cuetecs won a few more US Opens, and countless other events.....

So my advice is get the hell out of pool if you hate it so much and you're broke. We fans will always treasure all the great pool playing you showed us, we will laugh at the antics and shake our heads and we will remember the great champion that you are. No need to burden yourself and us with your miserable condition.

Best of luck,

Your fan.
 
JB I think Cutec sponsored Earl because he would make them money. They didn't do it to help anyone but themselves. How much money did he make for them? What does he owe them? No doubt he is upset with them. After years of working together, they drop him. Oh let me guess, for some reason they put up with his personality for so long and then one day they decided they couldn't handle him anymore. Business is business.
 
JB I think Cutec sponsored Earl because he would make them money. They didn't do it to help anyone but themselves. How much money did he make for them? What does he owe them? No doubt he is upset with them. After years of working together, they drop him. Oh let me guess, for some reason they put up with his personality for so long and then one day they decided they couldn't handle him anymore. Business is business.

Dorabelle,

With all due respect no one in the billiard industry really believes that sponsoring a player will make them money. The few long term sponsorships that do exist are there more out of friendship than pure business. I dare any of you to do a proper ROI calculation and prove that Earl was beneficial to Cuetec. If one were to measure it purely by exposure to the masses then Allison was infinitely more valuable than Earl as she was on TV constantly through the 90s and the first decade of this century. Even now she gets a decent share of TV appearances through her play.

I am certain that you are not privy to the other side of the coin. I am, having talked to Janet Shimel in depth about it. Also I have a little experience as a sponsor and know how it can be. When you get a phone call with tournament directors and pool room owners complaining about Earl's actions then it's distracting from day-to-day business. When you get people on message boards telling Cuetec to screw themselves as long as Earl is sponsored then it's hurts the soul whether or not it actually hurts the bottom line or not. When you have to worry about whether your player will even decide to finish the tournament or walk out it's a pain in the ass.

As for one day deciding to end it, yeah, that's pretty much it, they put up with it for a long time until one day they decided that it wasn't worth it any more. Just like people do in any relationship. When it's not worth it the relationship dissolves. Jones Chang, the owner of Cuetec isn't someone who wants to be represented by someone who is liable to be more known for bad behavior instead of tournament victories. And since Janet is not around to "handle" Earl then Jones wasn't likely to keep on paying for someone he doesn't see as a productive representative.

But what most of us learn in life is not to burn the bridges because we might have to cross them again someday. If you look at the OTHER side of the coin then you should say a person should be grateful for having gotten a steady annual income for 15 years from a single sponsor.

Be gracious and thank them for the support and move on. Who knows they might come knocking a year later and want you back on even better terms. In any event being gracious sends a strong message to other potential sponsors. Being mean and unkind sends the message to other sponsors to stay well away.
 
I watched the match and it was very uncomfortable for the majority. There are unsportsmanlike rules. Not sure why no one calls a foul in these instances. A few ball in hands or loss of games will shut put people in their place.
I guess I'm just saying that everyone comes off as "I tried to help Earl from the kindness of my heart" when its really people wanting something from him. Fans, sponsors, tournament directors, etc etc, and then when he struggles they all turn their backs on him.
There are consequences for Earl because of his actions. People have the right to drop him and not get involved with him. There will always be someone who will play him and always a business that will try to make money off him.
Id love to see Earl turn his negativity around and own pool again. Hope one day it happens.
 
Aint gonna lie..I clicked on her profile to get a closer look myself..But as I was thinking of somethin cool to say I saw I was already beat with the creeping..

"Thomas stop creeping my profile.'...

:grin:So I just left my comments to myself..haaaaaa

Is your name Thomas too? Thats funny.
 
Earl was smoking the funny and going off the air??? Might I suggest that he stay away from the mostly sativa street weed and try some couch lock indica? Any kush would be a good choice.....

Good advice, Bad shiite can ruin your game...Paraquat?:(
 
I watched the match and it was very uncomfortable for the majority. There are unsportsmanlike rules. Not sure why no one calls a foul in these instances. A few ball in hands or loss of games will shut put people in their place.
I guess I'm just saying that everyone comes off as "I tried to help Earl from the kindness of my heart" when its really people wanting something from him. Fans, sponsors, tournament directors, etc etc, and then when he struggles they all turn their backs on him.
There are consequences for Earl because of his actions. People have the right to drop him and not get involved with him. There will always be someone who will play him and always a business that will try to make money off him.
Id love to see Earl turn his negativity around and own pool again. Hope one day it happens.

Well this is the difference between being a homeless bum and being a champion. The champion always has something that people want. Homeless bums get charity, champions get opportunities.

This weekend there was a donate to Earl button in the form of paying TAR for access to the match. All Earl had to do is show up and play and try to win. He was staked, he got an appearance fee, probably had the flight and hotel paid for as well. And he had a legitimate shot at winning.

Do you see any other American player getting staked to play Shane? So yeah, people want something from Earl and the do try to help him with opportunities to ply his trade despite the issues.

What are people supposed to do for Earl that they haven't already done?
 
if respect is all that, why have rogan as a commentator? thats not respect towards one of the players.

I'm confused on where this line of thinking came from.

Where is there any post that says Earl and Joe didn't get along? That there was one negative thing said between them?

What you will find, is that someone asked Earl what he thought about that video and they said he thought it was funny

There were also reports that Earl held court several times and had Joe in stitches. Meaning they were all having a good time.

So help me out here with a link where it's being discussed that Earl was in any way upset in the slightest about Joe Rogan being there. Everything I have read and heard indicates directly the opposite.
 
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