My Tony Zinzola Story
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Nope..... don't know who the owner of the plain jane but if anyone step forward to claim that cue, they will need a lot of proof and I will have to find a way to confirm it before anything, other than that, those cue will stay where they at now before shipping it back to T.Z. But that not gonna happen for awhile, I'm just returning a favor to T.Z. As in what goes around comes around for little while.
On the 2nd note, If the owner of the plain jane step forward to claim and can't proof the cue belongs to he/she I won't send the cue out to them, only way is to have It back is he/she have to contact T.Z. to either go to NY pick it up. I will apologize before hand first that if you can't proof and I can't confirm the cue is certain person than I can help.
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I think what happened with Tony was he got caught up on the promise of a quick buck in his other business and used people's cue money to find the start up of it and when it made no money it put him in this current situation. When he ran outta money he decided to sell a cue that someone already paid for, he got away with it and there formed a pattern. I don't think drugs or gambling have anything to do with it and I also don't think Tony sat back and masterminded this whole thing. I think he tried it once got away with it and then just got in way to deep and his other venture made nooo money and he couldn't replace the funds or buy materials.
I am far from a supporter of Tony and quite dislike him actually. I will say he is not a monster though, he just majorly fu**ed up and ended up ripping off a couple real monsters that ended up at his door from what I heard here. Feel free to pm me for my number or give me yours and we can speak in length about this and share info. I look forward to speaking with anyone involved. I will do my best to help as I did with Sam.
I am far from a supporter of Tony and quite dislike him actually. I will say he is not a monster though, he just majorly fu**ed up and ended up ripping off a couple real monsters that ended up at his door from what I heard here. Feel free to pm me for my number or give me yours and we can speak in length about this and share info. I look forward to speaking with anyone involved. I will do my best to help as I did with Sam.
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Tz
THank you Sir,,keep in touch
Kenny
THank you Sir,,keep in touch
Kenny
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Kenny
I'm not really sure if that cues is yours or not., T.Z. makes many same back end design or that cue might have 3 or 10 different owner on it but who knows. ONLY way the other 2 cues is going back to T.Z. is for him to go down to NY to pick it up or he can wait till when I feel like to get out of my bed. If that cue indeeds belong to you than T.Z. might have to start a fresh cue out for you or go pick it up himself, if that cue don't belong to you I would say please stay out of it, I understand you are a decent person but trying to help a scumbag like him will only kick yourself in the end.
Tommy,
I am not trying to help him ,,as i say to you in a PM,,i am sure that is my cue i do not want it or any of Tony Z cues,,i have worked out a payment plan with Tony and that is all i have to say about this,,,as for the rest of you good luck,,,the rest of this is not my Business,,
I here you are a a desent guy also,,thanks
BR
Kenny
Funny! When I posted my ordeal with Tony about a paid for cue that I never got back about Three years ago, you blasted me and made it sound like it was my fault. Yes I'm out only $1150.00 that I will never get back. But it seems the high roller you are, you have a deal to get payment. It could be through the sale of my cue?
Chuck
He won't get his money, payment agreement or not.
your problem
Well Chuck,,
it same you have problem not me,,,and that is not my business i handle my deal with people the way i like and talk to them the way i like,,i have gotten cues from Tony ,but now that all you guys have problem with Tony it sames better for me not to get any more of his cues,,,and as for my Payments tony has never missed one with me,,,and as far as i know Tommy got all his money also,,give the guy a chance and as far as i know he did not kill anyone or anything,,maybe a lier but that is his business not mine ,,this will be my only post to this matter because as you say i am a higher roller and i not have time for this nonsence,,and if you have a problem with me you can call me and come see me any time,,,anyone i am open to talk too,,,All i find funny about this thread is that i know many other more famous cuemakers that owe these guys money too ,,,but they never seem to post there names because they still want there cues,,seems they just like to pick on tony because i guess he is the little guy,,
My # 267 257 8323 is always open and i be in booth157 and 207 if anyone like to talk to me in person also,,,
Kenny
Well Chuck,,
it same you have problem not me,,,and that is not my business i handle my deal with people the way i like and talk to them the way i like,,i have gotten cues from Tony ,but now that all you guys have problem with Tony it sames better for me not to get any more of his cues,,,and as for my Payments tony has never missed one with me,,,and as far as i know Tommy got all his money also,,give the guy a chance and as far as i know he did not kill anyone or anything,,maybe a lier but that is his business not mine ,,this will be my only post to this matter because as you say i am a higher roller and i not have time for this nonsence,,and if you have a problem with me you can call me and come see me any time,,,anyone i am open to talk too,,,All i find funny about this thread is that i know many other more famous cuemakers that owe these guys money too ,,,but they never seem to post there names because they still want there cues,,seems they just like to pick on tony because i guess he is the little guy,,
My # 267 257 8323 is always open and i be in booth157 and 207 if anyone like to talk to me in person also,,,
Kenny
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Picking on Tony, haha that's funny. Consider urself lucky to be getting payments. U are just about the only one. U are right , Tommy got paid and it took several visits to tonys house to make deals to do so. Not everyone here has the luxury of hopping on jets whenever they so please to do so. The fact that u are getting paid back without showing up at his house is an absolute miracle. You should play the lotto more often.
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Thanks guys. This thread and several others have convinced me that I will never in a million years pay any $ for a cue that I can't put in my case right then. I can't believe the hijinks I've read about over fancy cue sticks!
Tony Zinzola had he payed attention to his Cue business, treat customers the way he would have liked to be treated if the roles were reverse. Had a opportunity to be one of the cuemaker in demand on AZB, and by others who appreciate fine Cues that are functional art.
Let keep it short & say Tony blew, apparently never tried to recover, correcting bad work, broken promises, and deposits that never turned into Cues for customers.
IMHO the only one Tony can blame is Tony, as like I said IMHO he blew a golden opportunity on AZB & in the World of Cue Collectors outside this forum.
Let keep it short & say Tony blew, apparently never tried to recover, correcting bad work, broken promises, and deposits that never turned into Cues for customers.
IMHO the only one Tony can blame is Tony, as like I said IMHO he blew a golden opportunity on AZB & in the World of Cue Collectors outside this forum.
hi kenny, tony may have paid you and tommy but thats more of an exception than the rule. perhaps owing to both of your reputations he prioritize your transactions. i understand why he would do that but the rest of us are still screwed as it's pretty clear tony has no intention of paying any of us back.
Apparently not the Dealers or Cue Flippers. But then, they'll suck anyones bum for a cue.
I was at a pool hall the other day and a guy came over to look at a Cog I play with. We got to talking and he mentioned buying a cue from another maker I know has taken deposits from many folks and stiffed many of them. I told him right there if he can hold the cue tightly and get it into his case he should then pay the guy but NEVER give him a deposit on a custom cue cause he will never deliver. Sadly the good guys seem to be fewer and fewer these days but I would give Joe Gold anything he asked for along with some others I know personally. Tony has ruined his reputation permanently and sadly the value of his cues will probably be hurt along the way..
While I am not able to report closure in this post, I am able to report that I have, thanks to wawacue and blucollar, the butts from the two cues that are the subject(s) of my original post.
Cue #156 is going to require a refinish (not to mention that the butt remains un-converted) to get it back to the state is was in when I sent it to Tony. I am still awaiting the return of the shafts for this cue that Tony confirmed he has in his possession.
Cue #169 is going to require completion. It has no wrap, and the actual finish is incomplete. It has one inlay problem, but apart from that it is quite nice, and, when completed, will be a cue I will be happy to finally own. How that 'completion' will happen is an open question at this point. I doubt if the shafts have been produced for this cue, so there's also that.
Anyway, not complete closure for me, but certainly closure for wawacue, who was kind enough to put himself out, and ship them to me.
Thanks.
More later, hopefully.
Cue #156 is going to require a refinish (not to mention that the butt remains un-converted) to get it back to the state is was in when I sent it to Tony. I am still awaiting the return of the shafts for this cue that Tony confirmed he has in his possession.
Cue #169 is going to require completion. It has no wrap, and the actual finish is incomplete. It has one inlay problem, but apart from that it is quite nice, and, when completed, will be a cue I will be happy to finally own. How that 'completion' will happen is an open question at this point. I doubt if the shafts have been produced for this cue, so there's also that.
Anyway, not complete closure for me, but certainly closure for wawacue, who was kind enough to put himself out, and ship them to me.
Thanks.
More later, hopefully.
Funny how some are claiming rights to the brazilian rw/rw cue.... I've had that cue on order with Tony since 2010, which was also when it was supposed to be delivered.
It started off with different rings, as you can see in this thread, where I posted the blank. Yes, the veneers and figure is all the same... As you can see, Tony also posted in that thread talking about this cue - the very thread that I started:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=190280
Needless to say, I have emails where Tony said those rings were just too hard and he didn't want to do all of them so we switched to what they are today as pictured.
On top of that, I was in his shop a few years back and held this cue and also critiqued the original size of the diamonds in the forearm, which were only pockets at the time. He wanted to finish it to see what they looked like... I don't think it turned out well as he originally had a very small double notched diamond with dots. That was later scrapped for a larger diamond and no dots because it didn't work out well.
December 2011, I was sent this, and have about 100 emails in which we go back and forth talking about ring replacement and diamond size in forearm:
That cue has been mine since 2010, has been paid in full since then, and has been promised delivery no less than 50 times over the course of 4 years.
It was allegedly shipped by his wife, lost by the post office, and "I don't know where it is and I haven't had time to check with the post office, I'll pay you back soon"....
I have gotten a first installment payment back of $500, but am still owed quite a bit. That is my cue, and several people can attest to it. I even bought the ivory buttcap for that cue because Tony "didn't have any at the time".....
Don't get me started on the case fiasco, either.... Sorry for being late to the party, I just found out about this thread yesterday.
It started off with different rings, as you can see in this thread, where I posted the blank. Yes, the veneers and figure is all the same... As you can see, Tony also posted in that thread talking about this cue - the very thread that I started:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=190280
Needless to say, I have emails where Tony said those rings were just too hard and he didn't want to do all of them so we switched to what they are today as pictured.
On top of that, I was in his shop a few years back and held this cue and also critiqued the original size of the diamonds in the forearm, which were only pockets at the time. He wanted to finish it to see what they looked like... I don't think it turned out well as he originally had a very small double notched diamond with dots. That was later scrapped for a larger diamond and no dots because it didn't work out well.
December 2011, I was sent this, and have about 100 emails in which we go back and forth talking about ring replacement and diamond size in forearm:
That cue has been mine since 2010, has been paid in full since then, and has been promised delivery no less than 50 times over the course of 4 years.
It was allegedly shipped by his wife, lost by the post office, and "I don't know where it is and I haven't had time to check with the post office, I'll pay you back soon"....
I have gotten a first installment payment back of $500, but am still owed quite a bit. That is my cue, and several people can attest to it. I even bought the ivory buttcap for that cue because Tony "didn't have any at the time".....
Don't get me started on the case fiasco, either.... Sorry for being late to the party, I just found out about this thread yesterday.
