My Varney cue order (sigh)

[poolplayer2093]

In my case, it was because his cues play very nice (at least mine!!).

I bought second hand so I wouldn't have to deal with KV himself.

Love the cue!!

you guys that chime in saying the cues play well is almost like saying no other cuemaker could make a good playing cue. there're several up and coming cuemakers that make cues that hit as well or better without the BS. to tell you the truth i've seen a lot of his work, and while i do like it, for as simple as the designs are they seem to take a whole lot longer than they should to put together.

there're well established cuemakers that quote time frames and make the times without lying about it. i've had judd fuller and andy gilbert quote me time frames and both met them without an issue.

 

[poolhustler]

you guys that chime in saying the cues play well is almost like saying no other cuemaker could make a good playing cue. there're several up and coming cuemakers that make cues that hit as well or better without the BS. to tell you the truth i've seen a lot of his work, and while i do like it, for as simple as the designs are they seem to take a whole lot longer than they should to put together.

there're well established cuemakers that quote time frames and make the times without lying about it. i've had judd fuller and andy gilbert quote me time frames and both met them without an issue.

I agree 100% !!! Its just that I heard good things about how his cues play and wanted to try one for myself. I would never buy/order one from him directly, so I bought a used one from AZ.

I have many other cues (20+) and just like trying differnet cues out and see how I like them. If I don't like them, I sell them off or throw them in my safe.

I got a great hitting cue and had to wait about 3 days to get it!!!!!

Russ.....

 

[manwon]

I thought if you offset the high side on the blank in the chuck you can get the points even, usually you shim it with tape right and make another pass to try and even out the points right? Maybe I am wrong but I recall seeing this done by a few cuemakers to get them nice and at the same height all around.

You are pretty close to being correct, however, if I gave you the exact formula, well you know what they say!!!!!!!!!!!:grin-square:

 

[Fast Lenny]

Not another Varney thread!There are a few cuemakers on here who will make you a nice cue and deliver it as promised.There is Dave Albrecht who post as nbll01 on here and he makes 4 pointers with veneers and leather wrap that hit great for around $500 or you can get a sneaky with some ringwork for about the same price and wait a year or so,just use your head and dont buy into the hype.

 

[manwon]

Oh shit here we go again!!!!!!! Dave I am personally sorry to hear you are having this problem. I hope things get resolved quickly, and I also think you are stand up guy for being so patient, I would not have been, and I doubt many others would either.:smile:

I just hope the extras you get are not like the extras Eddie Wheat was giving out, what did they call them Buck Wheats. But if you do get a coupon that says Varney Bucks or Buck Varneys or what ever, I will buy it, I have started collecting paper currency produced by cue makers. I suspect that some day these items will be rare collectibles!!!!!!!!!!:thumbup:

Sorry Dave, but I could not help myself, I sincerely hope all turns out well.

 

[JoeyInCali]

I thought if you offset the high side on the blank in the chuck you can get the points even, usually you shim it with tape right and make another pass to try and even out the points right? Maybe I am wrong but I recall seeing this done by a few cuemakers to get them nice and at the same height all around.

The opposite.
You shim the shorter side so the center moves toward the high side and the cutter will cut more there on the next pass.

 

[Nostroke]

This thread reminds me..

I recently loaned some $$ to someone who posted his cues as collateral. He plays good so I thought his cues would be fairly high-end.

Long story short- I may have a Wheat FS in 3 weeks. Yikes!

 

[poolplayer2093]

This thread reminds me..

I recently loaned some $$ to someone who posted his cues as collateral. He plays good so I thought his cues would be fairly high-end.

Long story short- I may have a Wheat FS in 3 weeks. Yikes!

how much did you loan him?

i think the difference in your story and this guy that was dealing with varney's story is that in your case you're guaranteed to walk away with something if you don't get you cash back. the guy who was dealing with varney is 50/50 to get something. once varney gets your money you might have to take him to court to get either your cash or cue

 

[Fatboy]

how much did you loan him?

i think the difference in your story and this guy that was dealing with varney's story is that in your case you're guaranteed to walk away with something if you don't get you cash back. the guy who was dealing with varney is 50/50 to get something. once varney gets your money you might have to take him to court to get either your cash or cue

its hard to take someone to court when you dont live in America, the OP in this thread dosent, so he is really in a tight spot.

 

[poolplayer2093]

its hard to take someone to court when you dont live in America, the OP in this thread dosent, so he is really in a tight spot.

yeah that sucks. i was only talking about cincyman (sorry if i spelled that wrong)

yeah i guess he is between a rock and a hard place

 

[Zud]

Ouch

I have only been here 6 months or so but I have read a lot of the cuemaker "problem" threads.

By the dates and history I thought the Varney backlog had been pretty much settled.

I have seen a lot of his work in the gallery and assumed that this was new orders coming out. well we all know what happens when u assume.

I guess its hard to turn down all the business when it starts flooding in and then you have a bit of a mess on your hands. not to mention mebe your woodpile wasnt sufficient for the growth in future business.

When your trying to take care of the problems the squeaky wheels get greased first and you have the patience of a saint. (probably the reason you have waited longer than others)

2 1/2 years....with a few week quote. I hope everything turns out well and you love the cue when it finally arrives!!!!

 

[I rack balls]

Yea Idk either its coming up on a year on the JB I paid for already. It was a months wait so I am guessing end of 09' ? PMed a few times with no response. Is there some kind of time conversion chart??? I might just write it off as a charitable donation on my taxes next year.

 

[ugotactionTX]

WTF??? is this Ground Hog day?

How many freaking times are we gonna see this same story over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over!


I really feel for the guys that get took by this guy. I don't care how great they look, play, sing, dance, or play yahtzee. If you can't be honest with your customers what else do you have? There are WAY TO MANY EXCELLENT cue makers that will bend over backwards to get the sales and make the customers happy

I just don't see how this is allowed to continue.. Why is he allowed to do business( if that's what you call it) on AZ without ANY consequences. People get banned for IMO far less grievous infractions, which incidentally, doesn't rip anyone off, but this kind of behavior is allowed to continue

man... I do not get it

 

[smokey]

hi kevin...

i gave you my support, right? i gave you my trust, right?

did i do somethig wrong? if so; please tell me.

i also gave my money to stop a virulent thread against you. do you remember?

i don't want to be negative against you - and i don't want you to close me out with lies...

i just want to know the following as i think i deserve your respect to know the truth:

1. please advise all the ordered cues before January 2008 that have not been delivered [in the customers hands] as of yesterday.

2. please advise when they [these that have not been delivered in the customers hands] will all be delivered by month and year.

i feel you owe me that at least.

if not, do not reply, that will be my key for offering you my last option.

we all need help sometimes, we all make mistakes. from my heart i hope you do right to all of your waiting customers.

all the best,
smokey

 

[poolplayer2093]

man with all these people waiting on cues and all paid 100% up front!

anyone with enough spare time to add up the threads and multiply that by his average j/b price (what is it like $375)

there's a whole lot of money up in the air here

 

[ugotactionTX]

Hey smokey sorry to see you get the shaft(pun intended) after going out on a limb for this guy. I think that is what is starting to really get to people. After all the B.S. that has gone on, people still have given him the benefit of the doubt with the hope that he will deliver. Over and over again, people are let down by his total lack of respect for the customers that gave him a chance. The first of which was an initial order, and then their continued paitence and "understanding" after the excuses start to roll in.

I too considered ordering a cue from him but there is no way on god's green earth that that will happen now. I don't even think I would buy one second hand knowing what some poor sap had to go through to get it.

it's really a shame...

 

[J$Cincy]

whoa...

i gave you my support, right? i gave you my trust, right?

did i do somethig wrong? if so; please tell me.

i also gave my money to stop a virulent thread against you. do you remember?

i don't want to be negative against you - and i don't want you to close me out with lies...

i just want to know the following as i think i deserve your respect to know the truth:

all the best,
smokey

jesus, someone get this guy a tube of CHAPSTICK...people must be really gettin' desperate out there to be sweatin' these tomato stakes... :killingme:

 

[ShootingArts]

100% up front

Cue makers are rarely wealthy people. Most need a constant inflow of cash. Once someone pays 100% up front for a cue the only cash flowing around that cue is out. Most cue makers are honorable and get the cues out but paying more than fifty percent down in all but the most unusual of circumstances is a bad idea.

If a cue maker is working on a dozen sticks and they are all at about the same level of completion which does he work on first?

A)Two are paid in full.
B)Two he has seventy-five percent deposit on.
C)Two he has a fifty-percent deposit on.
D)Two he has a twenty-five percent deposit on.
E)Two he hasn't got a deposit on but he has buyers waiting when they are complete.
F)Two are being built totally on speculation.

Dogs hunt best hungry and cue makers stick to your project best when there is the most reward for finishing it. 50% down, 50% on completion is reasonable. Thirds are reasonable. When somebody wants more than that they would have to have a very solid track record to get me to part with a deposit.

Hu

man with all these people waiting on cues and all paid 100% up front!

anyone with enough spare time to add up the threads and multiply that by his average j/b price (what is it like $375)

there's a whole lot of money up in the air here

 

[poolplayer2093]

Cue makers are rarely wealthy people. Most need a constant inflow of cash. Once someone pays 100% up front for a cue the only cash flowing around that cue is out. Most cue makers are honorable and get the cues out but paying more than fifty percent down in all but the most unusual of circumstances is a bad idea.

If a cue maker is working on a dozen sticks and they are all at about the same level of completion which does he work on first?

A)Two are paid in full.
B)Two he has seventy-five percent deposit on.
C)Two he has a fifty-percent deposit on.
D)Two he has a twenty-five percent deposit on.
E)Two he hasn't got a deposit on but he has buyers waiting when they are complete.
F)Two are being built totally on speculation.

Dogs hunt best hungry and cue makers stick to your project best when there is the most reward for finishing it. 50% down, 50% on completion is reasonable. Thirds are reasonable. When somebody wants more than that they would have to have a very solid track record to get me to part with a deposit.

Hu

i agree with that 100%

or at least a phone number to a phone that they answer

 

[smokey]

hi ugotaction...

Hey smokey sorry to see you get the shaft(pun intended) after going out on a limb for this guy. I think that is what is starting to really get to people. After all the B.S. that has gone on, people still have given him the benefit of the doubt with the hope that he will deliver. Over and over again, people are let down by his total lack of respect for the customers that gave him a chance. The first of which was an initial order, and then their continued paitence and "understanding" after the excuses start to roll in.

I too considered ordering a cue from him but there is no way on god's green earth that that will happen now. I don't even think I would buy one second hand knowing what some poor sap had to go through to get it.

it's really a shame...

really i feel kevin is a good guy. i am just a little upset, that's all. i guess i was hoping not to see any more threads with unhappy customers, that's all.

i will call him tomorrow. and just so you know, as unhappy i am about dave [maybe others] having this trouble, kevin is a really nice guy to talk to.

and for what it's worth, he makes really nice cues.

ugotaction...not always, but usually i am a pretty good judge of character, i feel kevin will make good of this, and also feel dave will be happy.

it is up to kevin if i am a fool or not, time will tell,
smokey