MY VARNEY NIGHTMARE unbelievable

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smokey said:
hey manwon,

as always a Perfect Post!!

and most important it this:

WHY THE F CAN'T HE (keniv varney) STAND UP FOR AND SPEAK FOR HIMSELF AND HAS TO HAVE "OTHERS" LIKE LITTLE MOMMY'S STAND UP FOR HIM????????

wtf? give me a break. he says his cues are great; but he can not even address his customers. he needs little piss-ants to speak for him. yes, you piss-ants are worse than kevin - you sold your integrity for a cue tip.

you must be so proud of yourselves. and don't f'n tell me roadkill your bulls***, your i don't know him, then i've met him 5 years ago; this was/is your doom for me.

just another piece of s*** lying cs. all of you piss-ants.

RED REP ME ALL OF YOU.

LIKE I F'N CARE.

have a good night,
smokey

Smokey,
I read the thread a couple of weeks ago about what a great guy you are and how you are so generous with the kids. I also saw the groundswell of support for all the people who wanted you reinstated. I couldn't understand why a gentleman such as you would ever get suspended in the first place.
After reading this, now I understand.
 
JAM said:
It is because threads like this one do well on forums. It seems that sometimes the unpleasant threads seem to garner more attention than the pleasant threads on forums, IMHO.

Next time there is a flame thread, much like this one, watch how it grows in number of hits on this forum. :sorry:

JAM


Well I wonder if this GUYS Ears are buring, as he has been away 5 days, and I wonder if he will return.:scratchhead:
 
smokey said:
hey dead poked, pls don't disappoint me.

i respect you.

so...................

what the hell is your point????????????????
smokey

The "j/k" in his post means "Just Kidding". His point was that he wishes for a peaceful resolution. You're a great guy smokey but I think your personality and the internet in general kind of clash. There's a lot to catch up on if you're not up on the lingo and common acronyms.
 
pharaoh68 said:
Rep means nothing. I'm on page two. I'm in the top 40 and I am one of the most hated bastards on this site.

I would hide the chalk from you. Might even spit in it too. Shake your hand before I wash it too. Jerk. :slap: :thud:
 
Black-Balled said:
I would hide the chalk from you. Might even spit in it too. Shake your hand before I wash it too. Jerk. :slap: :thud:

Uh.... did I miss something here? What the FUKK is this even supposed to mean???
 
Roadkill said:
I'm finally getting my life back together. I hope things work out for everyone waiting for their cues. Thanks for all the red rep and calling me a lying bastard....anyone can take something out of context. Yesterday, I was accepted into a Pretrial program and was able to avoid trial. After six months of anger management and 30 hours of community service my name will be clear. Once again I appeciate all the red rep....maybe I can become another of the most hated bastards on here. Later.
"Mommy, Mommy, look at me, look at me". "Did you see that, Mommy? That was a good one, wasn't it".

Drama queen. Maybe you met KV in anger management classes?
 
Ding. Ding, Ding,

Roadkill said:
I'm finally getting my life back together. I hope things work out for everyone waiting for their cues. Thanks for all the red rep and calling me a lying bastard....anyone can take something out of context. Yesterday, I was accepted into a Pretrial program and was able to avoid trial. After six months of anger management and 30 hours of community service my name will be clear. Once again I appeciate all the red rep....maybe I can become another of the most hated bastards on here. Later.
I beleive we may have a winner!!!!!! Is it just me or did he just come out and admit that this guy is KV???? I dunno and I'm probably going to catch a bunch of bad rep as I am a new member. I just call'em like I see em.
 
"I hope things work out for everyone waiting for their cues" doesn't sound like the cuemaker himself, IMO. It still could be but I don't take his post as admitting to being KV, it seems more of a please pity me post. He's been on ignore for a reason :)
 
Roadkill said:
I'm taking the rest of the week off.....find somebody else to bash. Have fun. :(
"Mommy, you aren't looking.........."

DRAMA QUEEN. Just FO and don't tell us you're going to.
 
pharaoh68 said:
Rep means nothing. I'm on page two. I'm in the top 40 and I am one of the most hated bastards on this site.

Black-Balled said:
I would hide the chalk from you. Might even spit in it too. Shake your hand before I wash it too. Jerk. :slap: :thud:

pharaoh68 said:
Uh.... did I miss something here? What the FUKK is this even supposed to mean???

No real offense intended! UROK2ME
 
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Kevin has been coming on this site for a few years now posting how his cues are the best damn thing out there. And the truth is, if they lived up to his hype, he'd have a Searing or SW style waitlist. His prices would be throught the roof. People would understand that there are delays every now and then. And people would be more willing to forgive the lapses in delivery because, lets face it: people will wait for greatness.

But then you take a look at Kevin's product and, well, they're plain. And while his cues play decently, they do not leave customers with the feeling that they just found the next Dennis Searing. They're mediocre. Middle of the road.

So now you have a mediocre cue made by a guy who hypes both himself and his product as the greatest thing since sliced bread. As a result, he leaves himself open to a great deal of scrutiny. Then, when he is scrutinized by the general public, he lashes out in an often obnoxious and abrassive manner ...which leaves a bad taste in people's mouths. In fact recently, he took FULL PAYMENT for a cue ahead of time, delivered the cue MONTHS late, and when the buyer decided to sell, he publicly bad-mouthed the guy in his 'For Sale' thread!!!

Basically, what we have is a middle-of-the-road product made by a man who claims to be the greatest thing out there. He makes outlandish claims like he is the "choice of champions" and he "does ALL THE REPAIR WORK" for certain top tier pros. MUCH of this has been brought into question. And some of it has been proven to be just plain false.

Still, people order the cues. People pay for the cues. People get nothing but delays and suspicious stories as to why. People get attitudes. Some people get little to no communication. Others get ridiculous stories like "I have an overseas buyer who buys HUGE quantities but if you send me the money right away, I can send you one of his!!!" This is A) likely nothing more than bulls***; and B) an example of terrible business as he is willing to bypass a good customer for a random new order. Kinda strange no? And all of this on one condition... "You have to go on AZ and tell everybody how great I am and how awesome the cue is".

I've been a critic of Kevin's for some time now. We've gone at it many a time on these forums. I have criticized him until I was blue in the face. And often, I get the usuals (cajunbarboxplayer, ericdraven, etc.) jumping down my throat and telling me that I'm an a**. So, one day I decided to put my money where my mouth was. I bought a Varney directly from Kevin himself. I played with it and I gave it a review.

Now you might think that being a harsh critic of Kevin's (and seeing as how this was Kevin's idea) perhaps he would send me the best he had to offer. In fact, he did NOT. What he sent me was an old, pre-owned j/b with some mileage on it.

The cue itself played alright. While it was the heaviest thing I have ever picked up, the shaft had a great deal of blue on it, the jump joint didn't line up 100%, and the finish was dull and downright sticky, I have to say it broke ok and jumped ok as well. Keep in mind folks: the choice of words here is 'OK'. NOT excellent. NOT "the best thing ever". I have played with worse, but I have also played with better. So I gave it a review. It was mediocre and I stated such. It wasn't awful. It was decent at best. But perhaps overpriced. Still, I took heat. Still the loyalists jumped down my throat.

Kevin's antics have NEVER changed. He has been the same person for the past couple of years. Hawking the same middle-of-the-road product at low (though some might dispute that) prices. Hyping his product up to points that neither the product NOR the cuemaker can live up to. Giving attitude to critics. Promising "deals" to people if they, in turn, promise to give him a positive review. Taking FULL payments for a cue ahead of time and delivering the cue MONTHS late with little or no contact!!!

Now this what amazes me:
Despite ALL of this, you people are still buying from him?!?!?!?!
 
very good post!

A very good and I think honest post. I will rep it later, I got the dreaded "too much passed out" message when I tried to give a little good rep just now.

Hu

pharaoh68 said:
Kevin has been coming on this site for a few years now posting how his cues are the best damn thing out there. And the truth is, if they lived up to his hype, he'd have a Searing or SW style waitlist. His prices would be throught the roof. People would understand that there are delays every now and then. And people would be more willing to forgive the lapses in delivery because, lets face it: people will wait for greatness.

But then you take a look at Kevin's product and, well, they're plain. And while his cues play decently, they do not leave customers with the feeling that they just found the next Dennis Searing. They're mediocre. Middle of the road.

So now you have a mediocre cue made by a guy who hypes both himself and his product as the greatest thing since sliced bread. As a result, he leaves himself open to a great deal of scrutiny. Then, when he is scrutinized by the general public, he lashes out in an often obnoxious and abrassive manner ...which leaves a bad taste in people's mouths. In fact recently, he took FULL PAYMENT for a cue ahead of time, delivered the cue MONTHS late, and when the buyer decided to sell, he publicly bad-mouthed the guy in his 'For Sale' thread!!!

Basically, what we have is a middle-of-the-road product made by a man who claims to be the greatest thing out there. He makes outlandish claims like he is the "choice of champions" and he "does ALL THE REPAIR WORK" for certain top tier pros. MUCH of this has been brought into question. And some of it has been proven to be just plain false.

Still, people order the cues. People pay for the cues. People get nothing but delays and suspicious stories as to why. People get attitudes. Some people get little to no communication. Others get ridiculous stories like "I have an overseas buyer who buys HUGE quantities but if you send me the money right away, I can send you one of his!!!" This is A) likely nothing more than bulls***; and B) an example of terrible business as he is willing to bypass a good customer for a random new order. Kinda strange no? And all of this on one condition... "You have to go on AZ and tell everybody how great I am and how awesome the cue is".

I've been a critic of Kevin's for some time now. We've gone at it many a time on these forums. I have criticized him until I was blue in the face. And often, I get the usuals (cajunbarboxplayer, ericdraven, etc.) jumping down my throat and telling me that I'm an a**. So, one day I decided to put my money where my mouth was. I bought a Varney directly from Kevin himself. I played with it and I gave it a review.

Now you might think that being a harsh critic of Kevin's (and seeing as how this was Kevin's idea) perhaps he would send me the best he had to offer. In fact, he did NOT. What he sent me was an old, pre-owned j/b with some mileage on it.

The cue itself played alright. While it was the heaviest thing I have ever picked up, the shaft had a great deal of blue on it, the jump joint didn't line up 100%, and the finish was dull and downright sticky, I have to say it broke ok and jumped ok as well. Keep in mind folks: the choice of words here is 'OK'. NOT excellent. NOT "the best thing ever". I have played with worse, but I have also played with better. So I gave it a review. It was mediocre and I stated such. It wasn't awful. It was decent at best. But perhaps overpriced. Still, I took heat. Still the loyalists jumped down my throat.

Kevin's antics have NEVER changed. He has been the same person for the past couple of years. Hawking the same middle-of-the-road product at low (though some might dispute that) prices. Hyping his product up to points that neither the product NOR the cuemaker can live up to. Giving attitude to critics. Promising "deals" to people if they, in turn, promise to give him a positive review. Taking FULL payments for a cue ahead of time and delivering the cue MONTHS late with little or no contact!!!

Now this what amazes me:
Despite ALL of this, you people are still buying from him?!?!?!?!
 
Roadkill said:
Edited for content.

It is very hard to respect people who do not stand behind what they say.

I'm starting to lean towards a time limit on editing posts.

Dave
 
apology to all

sorry to everybody, i was out of line. please accept my apology.

please just know that i care about ALL of us, and i lose my patience sometimes with those who hurt us.

my desire: i hope everything works out for everybody concerned.

roadkill, sorry - i was out of line.
worldison2 - sorry you lost respect for me. and your point was "correct". i have no defense.
Hierovision - got it now, thanks.

you are just a Great bunch of guys and gals. and i hope to be respected by you (my game is not good enough to even impress me, so it couldn't be for that). i am sorry i let you down.

to the varney supporters: i respect you and your efforts to help your friend. and please note that in my opinion it is counter-productive to support him when he is in the wrong as he has been as of late. "Help Him" - but not by attacking others here who only want the "injured party" to be made whole.

and to all, please note, that i had a few days ago pm'd kevin in a very sincere way to let him know that if i could be of value to him and help him in any way to please contact me. i really felt in my heart that he was facing some trouble in life. seeing his pictures (the fathers day thread) of his beautiful son and wife and the sweetness of holding his baby boy made me "think" a lot.

i didn't like all the bashing he was getting, even though he may have been in the wrong. it reminded me of the "ox-bow incident" (spelling?). don't hang a man in haste. i just bought troy's cue to end that heartache thread and asked everyone to not post more so the thread would die. you all respected my wish (you all were Great), and it was the end of it; and i thank you all. so please don't get me wrong. please give kevin a chance again to redeem himself. i hope he does!

i did object to his supporters. and i am not sorry for that. but, thank you roadkill for your removing/editing your posts. i now respect you, and thank you sincerely.

to all: i am just me. sometimes a good guy, sometimes a south end of a horse traveling north.

that's just the way it is,
smokey
 
No problem, Smokey. I don't know you but, you seem like an okay person to me.

smokey said:
sorry to everybody, i was out of line. please accept my apology.

please just know that i care about ALL of us, and i lose my patience sometimes with those who hurt us.

my desire: i hope everything works out for everybody concerned.

roadkill, sorry - i was out of line.
worldison2 - sorry you lost respect for me. and your point was "correct". i have no defense.
Hierovision - got it now, thanks.

you are just a Great bunch of guys and gals. and i hope to be respected by you (my game is not good enough to even impress me, so it couldn't be for that). i am sorry i let you down.

to the varney supporters: i respect you and your efforts to help your friend. and please note that in my opinion it is counter-productive to support him when he is in the wrong as he has been as of late. "Help Him" - but not by attacking others here who only want the "injured party" to be made whole.

and to all, please note, that i had a few days ago pm'd kevin in a very sincere way to let him know that if i could be of value to him and help him in any way to please contact me. i really felt in my heart that he was facing some trouble in life. seeing his pictures (the fathers day thread) of his beautiful son and wife and the sweetness of holding his baby boy made me "think" a lot.

i didn't like all the bashing he was getting, even though he may have been in the wrong. it reminded me of the "ox-bow incident" (spelling?). don't hang a man in haste. i just bought troy's cue to end that heartache thread and asked everyone to not post more so the thread would die. you all respected my wish (you all were Great), and it was the end of it; and i thank you all. so please don't get me wrong. please give kevin a chance again to redeem himself. i hope he does!

i did object to his supporters. and i am not sorry for that. but, thank you roadkill for your removing/editing your posts. i now respect you, and thank you sincerely.

to all: i am just me. sometimes a good guy, sometimes a south end of a horse traveling north.

that's just the way it is,
smokey
 
JAM said:
It is because threads like this one do well on forums. It seems that sometimes the unpleasant threads seem to garner more attention than the pleasant threads on forums, IMHO.

Next time there is a flame thread, much like this one, watch how it grows in number of hits on this forum. :sorry:

JAM
It is not a flame thread, it IS MY EXPERIENCE in which i am telling to deter others away and help get my cue.

My hope something like this ever happens to you because i would hate to hear the backlash. I do not appreciate you making light of the situation by saying it is just a flame. It was not intened like that from me , it was to help get my cue got it??? .

If people dont like it ,,,quit clicking on it and reading it and if you disagree keep it to yourselves please.

I just want this made right.
 
cincyman said:
It is not a flame thread, it IS MY EXPERIENCE in which i am telling to deter others away and help get my cue.

My hope something like this ever happens to you because i would hate to hear the backlash. I do not appreciate you making light of the situation by saying it is just a flame. It was not intened like that from me , it was to help get my cue got it??? .

If people dont like it ,,,quit clicking on it and reading it and if you disagree keep it to yourselves please.

I just want this made right.

Let me clarify my opinion.

This thread is an "unpleasant" one, which is the word that I used to describe this thread. To be exact, my words were: unpleasant threads seem to garner more attention.

I used the word "unpleasant" to refer to this thread's subject matter.

What happens thereafter in this thread, IMO, with the multiple posts describing Varney, is, in my opinion, a flame about a man named Varney. I used the word "flame" to describe the way this thread has multipled.

JAM
 
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