Need Help Getting Cue Returned From Martyne Bachman

not that we need an exact adress, but do you mind ballparking us on where the return addy was from? or was it even on the package?
 
Cuaba said:
I got the following letter in the Spring of 2005. I have X'd out the names of those who gave money. Earlier I said $5K because I know a couple of people who say they gave her that much. Another guy claims to have given her $20K. The guys I know are not happy.


"I am happy to announce that I have found a publisher
for my latest project, a new collectors cue book,
which will be produced as a full-color hard-cover
"coffee table" edition. I have negotiated a contract
with Schiffer, a publisher specializing in books on
collectibles.

Although this means both the printing costs
(approximately $80,000) and distribution to
booksellers is covered, it is still necessary for me
to raise funds for the production and promotion of the
book.

To date I have received commitments from a number of
collectors who are contributing amounts ranging from
$1500 to $20,000. These participants include XXXXXXX, XXXXXXXXXXX, XXXXXXXXX, XXXXXXXXXXXX, as
well as several newer collectors.

As you know, I photographed a number of the cues in
your collection, which I would love to include in this
book.

I look forward to learning if you would like to be
included in this project. It would be helpful to
verify the commitments of the funding participants in
the project so we can proceed within the next several
weeks. The projected release date for the book is
November 2005.

Following is a summary of the project for you.
Attached is the summary and agreement form, also more
budget info.

Please e-mail or call me with any questions.

Best regards,
Martyne S. Bachmen
Chalkers"
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I may not have this correct, but from what I am reading in the above letter, Mrs, Bachmen has stole material she gathered from the Blue Book Project. Then she tried to take the stolen information and photo's from the Blue Book Project and use it to make personal profit from it. Some where in the middle of this mess she thought why not elicit additional money from the Cue Making / Collector community.

You know I am certainly not a Lawyer but this sounds like fraud to me. Why hasn't the community as a group taken legal action against this women? I mean she really needs to be stopped, after all she has done and all she is continuing to do there is no doubt concerning her intentions or her dishonesty.
 
Not That Easy

manwon said:
I may not have this correct, but from what I am reading in the above letter, Mrs, Bachmen has stole material she gathered from the Blue Book Project. Then she tried to take the stolen information and photo's from the Blue Book Project and use it to make personal profit from it. Some where in the middle of this mess she thought why not elicit additional money from the Cue Making / Collector community.

You know I am certainly not a Lawyer but this sounds like fraud to me. Why hasn't the community as a group taken legal action against this women? I mean she really needs to be stopped, after all she has done and all she is continuing to do there is no doubt concerning her intentions or her dishonesty.
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Blue Book gave up on the civil suit because there were no assets to pin a judgement to. All they had in the end was an alias and a private post box (which is all you have with the Chalkers web-site to this day.) Just Google their current address, it is a U.P.S. Store.

Federal Prosecutors want to see an amount worth making a Federal Case. This was more about photography that was hard to prove the ownership of than it was about money.

Sue/Martyne/Peter/Hugh knew that by relocating to a new state, and staying under the radar, the whole thing would die down.

All anybody really has for them is a phone number, an e-mail address, and a private post box (not the same legally as a Post Office Box.) The names aren't real, and they can answer letters/calls as it suits them.

But people still send them money & cues.
 
Without question, you can put me down in the "then so be it", column. I urge all AZ members to join me.

Furthermore, this doesn't just sound like a civil case to me. Criminal charges should be a no brainer......

Rg


bob_bushka said:
> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 12:33:26 -0700
> From: martyne639@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: Zinzola pool cue returned
> To: bob_bushka@hotmail.com
>
> Bob,
>
> The cue butt was returned to Tony Zinzola, with my apologies for the delay, just as all the hubbub erupted on AZbilliards.
>
> I was remiss in not getting it back to Tony sooner. I have been preoccupied with several serious family medical issues and have not been able to keep up with everything.
>
> Despite the nasty and threatening emails (and phone calls) I received about this, I do not believe I owe anyone except Mr. Zinzola and the owner of the cue an explanation; that has been done. Nor do I plan to "defend" my reputation in the pool industry. If trash talk by people who don't know the whole story damages my reputation, then so be it. The people who know me and buy cues from me know better. Also, I took the time to reply to every email on the subject to let the person know the cue had been returned.
>
> I do not post on AZbilliards. If you wish to inform the "gentlemen" of the pool world that Tony's cue was returned, that would be fine.
>
> I appreciate your concern.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Martyne Bachmen
>
> --- On Fri, 8/7/09, <bob_bushka@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: <bob_bushka@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: pool cue
> > To: martyne@chalkers.com
> > Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 9:36 PM
> >
> > I was on AZBilliards and read the feedback on Tony's
> > Z's cue. I also visited your website and it looks
> > like you have done quite a bit to help cuemakers and the
> > billiard industry in general. I find it hard to
> > believe that you would not respond on the whereabouts of the
> > cue or defend your reputation in the indstry.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bob >
>
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NYC cue dude said:
Without question, you can put me down in the "then so be it", column. I urge all AZ members to join me.

Furthermore, this doesn't just sound like a civil case to me. Criminal charges should be a no brainer......

Rg
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I know several people willing to testify, but nobody willing to prosecute.

This is very small money for a Federal fraud case.

I personally only know two people who were convicted of fraud in Federal Court, and the amount in both cases was over $10M.
 
Cuaba said:
Blue Book gave up on the civil suit because there were no assets to pin a judgement to. All they had in the end was an alias and a private post box (which is all you have with the Chalkers web-site to this day.) Just Google their current address, it is a U.P.S. Store.

Federal Prosecutors want to see an amount worth making a Federal Case. This was more about photography that was hard to prove the ownership of than it was about money.

Sue/Martyne/Peter/Hugh knew that by relocating to a new state, and staying under the radar, the whole thing would die down.

All anybody really has for them is a phone number, an e-mail address, and a private post box (not the same legally as a Post Office Box.) The names aren't real, and they can answer letters/calls as it suits them.

But people still send them money & cues.
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I wish there was a way to stop these people, it really gives everyone in tis industry a Black eye.

Thanks for your post.
 
I hadn't seen this beforehand but I just received an email from someone I trust who is very upset that Martyne is still part of the ICCS. I searched on the name through Google and came up with this thread.

I understand that she is speaking four times at the event and will probably ask for more money for her "book". Bill Stroud should be smart enough to see the true person and distance himself from her as soon as possible.

I certainly will never deal with Chalkers or anyone associated with her.

I am glad to hear that Tony got his cue returned and I am sure if he didn't make this public and without AZ's support she would still have the cue.
 
While You Are Googling......

TheMarsMan said:
I searched on the name through Google and came up with this thread.
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You probably Googled "Martyne Bachmen" or "Hugh Tiernan"?

If you Google "Sue Backman Peter Hangarter" you will see that they are the same people using their given names about 15 years ago.

Before she left the Bay area, she was using the name "Martyne Gabriel" and living in Oakland.

If she could have put Tony off until the Statute of Limitations ran out, the cue would be hers.

If you want to see the Liquor License for Chalkers with their real names on it, here it is: http://www.abc.ca.gov/datport/LQSDATA.asp?ID=2011385022
 
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She is a fraud and owes people cues and money here in stlouis. I hope for her sake she is not in our area here...
 
What Happened?

There was a thread in WFS about Chalkers where people were telling their bad experiences, and now its been removed.

If Martyne has threatened to sue the hosts of this site for slander, have no fear. She has already had her lawyer send me a letter threatening a slander lawsuit. This is one of her scare tactics. She desperately wants to shut us up.

I would love to see her in court, the truth is on my side.
 
Martyne S. (Sue) Bachmen
Email: martyne@chalkers.com
Tel: (001) 1-415-987-5689
Fax: (001) 1-510-291-9737
5901-J Wyoming Blvd NE #1888
Albuquerque, NM 87109

This is on the website. I have dealt with her once and everything went smoothly at the time, years ago. I do not know any more that that. I had also offered her documents for the book at the time as I was under the impression she was writing the Blue Book. After sending in all the rare paperwork and Spain letters on some great Spain Cues I owned, she said that there was a falling out regarding the project and she was no longer involved. Her site seems to be still up. I never met her, but she seemed nice over the phone at the time.
 
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Maestro, this thread is 3 years old . . .
Mr H

Maestro said:
Martyne S. (Sue) Bachmen
Email: martyne@chalkers.com
Tel: (001) 1-415-987-5689
Fax: (001) 1-510-291-9737
5901-J Wyoming Blvd NE #1888
Albuquerque, NM 87109

This is on the website. I have dealt with her once and everything went smoothly at the time, years ago. I do not know any more that that. I had also offered her documents for the book at the time as I was under the impression she was writing the Blue Book. After sending in all the rare paperwork and Spain letters on some great Spain Cues I owned, she said that there was a falling out regarding the project and she was no longer involved. Her site seems to be still up. I never met her, but she seemed nice over the phone at the time.
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