Neils Feijin

[Andrew Manning]

Arguments like this are so difficult to win in pool, because unlike golf or tennis or other established individual sports, all the best players don't play against each other except maybe once or twice a year. If there were four or five "majors" a year that anybody who's anybody in pool played in, we'd be able to really know how Feijen stacks up against the rest of the top 20 or 30 in the world.

As it is, all these arguments are pretty much baseless conjecture. We know he's mind-blowingly good at pool. We know that when he plays others that are mind-blowingly good, he sometimes wins, sometimes loses.

Anyway, that said, I'd back him against Archer or Strickland. I think those two have made everyone's list because of how they used to play, not how they've played for the past year or two.

-Andrew

 

[cdavis9771]

Hey guys,
I'm an aussie eight ball player, and only get to see a limited amount of nine ball, due to the lack of it being televised. However over the years of playing I have seen a reasonable amount, most mosconi cups, most of the world pool masters, the recent world cup so on and so fourth.
I've seen Neils play probably 15-20 times. And in the last 5 or 6 times the guy has looked close to flawless.
I' was just wondering if I could get a gauge from you guys (who are obviously exposed to allot more nine ball then I am), of where you would rank him in the world.
Cheers
Silk....
Down-under cueist

Not sure about his ranking but his girlfriend is definitly a 10.5 in my book=))

 

[jay helfert]

I think Dennis Orcullo would be very interested in playing NF some 9 or 10 ball even. I think you can bet whatever you can carry. And I can make the connection with Dennis, as others can also since I think he is still in LA.

He's home in the Philipines. I left him at the airport on Sunday night Jan. 14 for the long ride home.

 

[sjm]

I have to second that. Some of you are incredible. Neils is in the top 10 easy. Its very true, however, that any of these guys can beat each other on any given day. But Neils is no stranger to them. I think some people just think he is up and coming now only because this was his first DCC, but he has been around for a good amount of time now.

"Low 20s" ...lol

Here are the odds from the 2006 World Open played a few months ago, as posted by EUROPEAN bookmaker Stan James.

Stan James World Open Odds

Efren, Reyes 10/1
Marlon, Manalo 10/1
Alex, Pagulayan 12/1
Dennis, Orcollo 16/1
Francisco, Bustamante 16/1
Chia-Ching, Wu 20/1
Thorsten, Hohmann 20/1
Johnny, Archer 22/1
Ronato, Alcano 22/1
Corey, Deuel 25/1
Mika, Immonen 25/1
Earl, Strickland 28/1
Oliver, Ortmann 33/1
Ralf, Souquet 33/1
Rodney, Morris 33/1
Hsia, Hui-Kai 40/1
Marcus, Chamat 40/1
Santos, Sambajon 40/1
Jose, Parica 50/1
Niels, Feijen 50/1
Thomas, Engert 50/1

As you can see, at a EUROPEAN bookmaker, 18 were considered more likely than Feijen to win the World Open, and two just as likely.

Seems I'm not the only one that sees him as being in the low 20's.

 

[billychips]

u gonna gamble or talk?

Do you even know Corey and did he gave you permission to talk for him about playing a match against Niels? Because I know Niels personly but still I would not speak for him about any match against any player for any amount without consulting him?

Funny story about Corey and his break. At this years Mosconi Cup Archer played Souquet in one of the last matches and he did the soft break. In a rack he did it sooo soft that we were all surprized the q-ball made it to the rack (but wing ball went down) somebody in the audiance shouted "nice break Corey". We all had a good laugh. (including Corey)

Actually I do know Corey thank you. I also was not trying to insult Neils at all. You just came with the comment that Corey wouldnt want to play him and that Corey has a "pussy" break. All I am saying is put your money where your mouth is. Pretty simple. You are being called out! Not Neils. So, do you even know him??? If you do, ask him if he wants to play Corey a set for some decnt change. If he does, find your nuts, and lets gamble. If he doesnt, no problem, he is still a great player.

 

[bud green]

I think Corey could make a living playing Feijen... Neils would win his share of sets and all, but overall Corey would beat him at just about every game in the long run. Corey hasn't really done much in the last few years but when he's in top form, I like his chances against anybody in the top ten in the world at nine ball. He has as much talent as any US player and only some of the savage Filipinos seem to be above his level.

Most Euro's are 14.1 monsters but didn't Corey get 14.1 lessons from some legend like Caras when he was learning to play? Maybe they can play some straight pool.

The next time they both play in the same tourney, give billychips a pm and see if he won't put up some dough. I have a feeling he won't turn out to just be another internet sh*t talker.

 

[Silk]

Cheers for the feedback guys...I didn't intend for this to turn into some Niels vs the world thing...Hope there isn't any animosity after the thread.
But there were some great replies, which gave me a good indication....
Thanks for the time fellas.

 

[gforces1911]

Seen it

I met and talked to Neils at the DCC (also his hot female companion). I asked him how often he takes lessons from Bert and he said it was only one time and Bert made all the tapes from it. He is a class guy. Need more like him.

I was present for the last set of tapes- for the most part- for the latest set of tapes with Niels. His stroke is dead on. He was doing one drill where he basically had to sit the rock on the space of a quarter to be in line. We went out for mexican that night- he really gave me some great pointers as well- stroke, game, how to practice.

Him and Bert are good friends. It was a hoot to be around them both.

 

[Cameron Smith]

Here are the odds from the 2006 World Open played a few months ago, as posted by EUROPEAN bookmaker Stan James.

Stan James World Open Odds

Efren, Reyes 10/1
Marlon, Manalo 10/1
Alex, Pagulayan 12/1
Dennis, Orcollo 16/1
Francisco, Bustamante 16/1
Chia-Ching, Wu 20/1
Thorsten, Hohmann 20/1
Johnny, Archer 22/1
Ronato, Alcano 22/1
Corey, Deuel 25/1
Mika, Immonen 25/1
Earl, Strickland 28/1
Oliver, Ortmann 33/1
Ralf, Souquet 33/1
Rodney, Morris 33/1
Hsia, Hui-Kai 40/1
Marcus, Chamat 40/1
Santos, Sambajon 40/1
Jose, Parica 50/1
Niels, Feijen 50/1
Thomas, Engert 50/1

As you can see, at a EUROPEAN bookmaker, 18 were considered more likely than Feijen to win the World Open, and two just as likely.

Seems I'm not the only one that sees him as being in the low 20's.

Wouldn't a lot of these odds have to do with a home court advantage, or rather the lack of travel time and jet lag for most of the top ten? I don't believe Wu is a better player than Souqet or Archer.

I don't have an opinion on the subject either way, I'm just curious.

 

[MyraCurfs]

Actually I do know Corey thank you. I also was not trying to insult Neils at all. You just came with the comment that Corey wouldnt want to play him and that Corey has a "pussy" break. All I am saying is put your money where your mouth is. Pretty simple. You are being called out! Not Neils. So, do you even know him??? If you do, ask him if he wants to play Corey a set for some decnt change. If he does, find your nuts, and lets gamble. If he doesnt, no problem, he is still a great player.

I wanna reply to this one! Yep Berry knows Niels for ages as they played in the same club for years... If you want the game between Corey and Niels so much... why don't you just ask Niels yourself on his website www.nielsfeijen.nl ? I'm shure he will give you an answer soon. I am certain that whenever this match will come up, we will find Niels a dozen backers...!

 

[TheConArtist]

Niels Feijen is my hero. His nickname The Terminator really does serve him very well. There is a clip on youtube of him and Corey playing on a barbox table and he looks like a machine at the table.

 

[sjm]

Wouldn't a lot of these odds have to do with a home court advantage, or rather the lack of travel time and jet lag for most of the top ten? I don't believe Wu is a better player than Souqet or Archer.

I don't have an opinion on the subject either way, I'm just curious.

These are the odds for the World Open, which was played in Reno in September. No doubt, you were thinking of the World Pool Chamionships in Taiwan, where the Filippinos would have had a home edge.

 

[berry]

I wanna reply to this one! Yep Berry knows Niels for ages as they played in the same club for years... If you want the game between Corey and Niels so much... why don't you just ask Niels yourself on his website www.nielsfeijen.nl ? I'm shure he will give you an answer soon. I am certain that whenever this match will come up, we will find Niels a dozen backers...!

The text from Myra are my thoughts as well.....

BTW I didn't want to insult Corey or his break. (but if you see him say that the MosconiCup break with a little left spin (for the 2-ball to come uptable) was a nice creation).

Niels is now in Norway for a tournament and will be back next week. Very busy schedule comming up.

And if you want to check if I realy do know him check his latest post on his weblog were he mentions a Berry......

 

[buddha162]

I don't believe Wu is a better player than Souqet or Archer.

Souquet...even stevens.

And maybe the Johnny Archer of 95 would have an edge over Wu today...but even that is debatable. People think Wu's WPC title is a fluke and it's not.

-Roger

 

[big_worm]

Souquet...even stevens.

And maybe the Johnny Archer of 95 would have an edge over Wu today...but even that is debatable. People think Wu's WPC title is a fluke and it's not.

-Roger

Even Yang said after WPC05 that his victory was a fluke.
But now he's saying Wu' has proven him wrong.
Wu's scintillating display in WPC06 again amazed the world. Only bad luck, or maybe Alcano's soft break, prevented him another world title.
In the year-ending Super Cup, he also hit tons of fascinating shots in beating Morris, Engert, Alcano, Parica & Souquet.
In Taiwan they have a league for pro players. In 2006, Wu's performances were simply exceptional. He ranked 1st, amassing 116 points, 29 more than 2nd-placed Yang and 49 more than 3rd-placed Hsia.
Wu also defeated other famed players to earn the right of representing Taiwan in the Asian Games.

In short, Wu's been doing consistently well. He & Yang are Taiwan's best.

 

[billychips]

sounds like a good idea

I think Corey could make a living playing Feijen... Neils would win his share of sets and all, but overall Corey would beat him at just about every game in the long run. Corey hasn't really done much in the last few years but when he's in top form, I like his chances against anybody in the top ten in the world at nine ball. He has as much talent as any US player and only some of the savage Filipinos seem to be above his level.

Most Euro's are 14.1 monsters but didn't Corey get 14.1 lessons from some legend like Caras when he was learning to play? Maybe they can play some straight pool.

The next time they both play in the same tourney, give billychips a pm and see if he won't put up some dough. I have a feeling he won't turn out to just be another internet sh*t talker.

Thanks for the "feeling." I can assure you that I will put it up. Lets just do this. Who is the most respected and trustworthy poster on this forum? Lets put up $1000 each into their paypal account as no show money. You then have 30 days to round up a minimum of another 9k to put Niels in. Playing 15 ahead in 9 ball, if Niels wins, I will guarantee 3 sets. If he beats Corey 45 games, I will never gamble on pool again. Period. You do NOT have to limit your bet to 10 dimes, the window will be wide open. Now, what do you wanna do?

 

[buddha162]

Even Yang said after WPC05 that his victory was a fluke.
But now he's saying Wu' has proven him wrong.
Wu's scintillating display in WPC06 again amazed the world. Only bad luck, or maybe Alcano's soft break, prevented him another world title.
In the year-ending Super Cup, he also hit tons of fascinating shots in beating Morris, Engert, Alcano, Parica & Souquet.
In Taiwan they have a league for pro players. In 2006, Wu's performances were simply exceptional. He ranked 1st, amassing 116 points, 29 more than 2nd-placed Yang and 49 more than 3rd-placed Hsia.
Wu also defeated other famed players to earn the right of representing Taiwan in the Asian Games.

In short, Wu's been doing consistently well. He & Yang are Taiwan's best.

Wow he's 29 points ahead of Yang?! I haven't been keeping up so thanks for that info.

Yang is probably my favorite player of all time but he can pout with the best of them, lol.

-Roger

 

[gforces1911]

I may be missing something

Thanks for the "feeling." I can assure you that I will put it up. Lets just do this. Who is the most respected and trustworthy poster on this forum? Lets put up $1000 each into their paypal account as no show money. You then have 30 days to round up a minimum of another 9k to put Niels in. Playing 15 ahead in 9 ball, if Niels wins, I will guarantee 3 sets. If he beats Corey 45 games, I will never gamble on pool again. Period. You do NOT have to limit your bet to 10 dimes, the window will be wide open. Now, what do you wanna do?

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[buddha162]

Actually, I considered him. It was a close call but I rated him as Feijen's equal.

Ah you didn't elaborate on this...

If anyone else made this statement I would probably laugh, but because it's you and I have nothing but the utmost respect for your analysis of players in general, I am interested to know your thought process.

But if you don't feel like sharing, that's fine too.

-Roger

 

[buddha162]

Wu's scintillating display in WPC06 again amazed the world.

Oh and btw, rep for using the word scintillating, lol...

-Roger