New Elevation Tour - N.A.C.P.B.A. ???

[kryptonite9]

Why do the new tours all shoot for the moon on the prize funds?
22events, 22 million in a year? How about slowly progessing to higher prize funds, not going right to the top?

The total for the last 6 months top six paying tournaments is a touch over $800,000.

WPC - 400,000
USOPEN - 182,000
BCA - 79,100
Pred 10ball - 55,920
World Summit - 45,880
Turning Stone - 41,800

From the current state someone wants to move directly to 22 million?

As for the regional tours, I do not like the fact that the new organization should ban players from attending. This being said, if the new tour has good consistent payouts, the players would not have to play in a regional tour to make a few hundred.

This would increase play at regional events because players would have more of a chance to make money/cover costs. I know I do not like going to regional events and having to battle a large field of strong regional talent, then have to play Ronnie Alcano, Mike Davis, Larry Nevel, etc on top of that. All to finish in the cash and not make enough to cover travel costs. Currently the only people who go to regional events are top players and die hard dedicated players. Other good players do not enter because the talent is too high to even risk and entry fee and travel costs.

 

[CrownCityCorey]

I read recently that the WPA expelled the Pan-American Pool Federation, and there was no reason given, other than the WPA did not like the way the Pan-American Pool Federation conducted itself, or words to that effect. It was a stock bureaucratic mumbo jumbo explanation, with no meat to it.

Is the WPA, in fact, the controlling authority of pool in the world?

JAM

Read the recent issue of BD and they say the reason was that the federation sided with the attempted coup of the ACS with regard to the BCA's relationship with WPA.

Acronyms rule!

 

[supergreenman]

drug testing is a great idea. every professional sport has it. why should some people have a advantage over others who dont use drugs. i hate playing bathroom champs.

I can't think of a single drug in existance that could be classified as performance enhancing when it comes to cue sports.

Prove me wrong I dare you.

 

[Johnnyt]

I can't think of a single drug in existance that could be classified as performance enhancing when it comes to cue sports.

Prove me wrong I dare you.

I've had a few that I was beating easy before they went into the bathroom for awhile. When they came back they were champions. Johnnyt

 

[iba7467]

I can't think of a single drug in existance that could be classified as performance enhancing when it comes to cue sports.

Prove me wrong I dare you.

Not that I agree with the bathroom champs, but I can assure you after 30+ hours of non-stop play there are many drugs that could be classified as performance enhancing as the alternative would be falling out.

 

[ScottW]

I doubt the whole drug thing has anything to do with performance enhancement. More likely, it's to do with trying to 'clean up' the sport, image-wise.

You could bet cold hard cash that if *I* was one of their backers, putting that much cash on the line, I'd insist on certain standards. That would be one of them.

 

[Rick S.]

450,000 attended

Ooops

Rick S.

 

[corvette1340]

All of the major sports test for not only "performance enhancers" but all other drugs as well. The NFL has suspended a huge number of players with their substance abuse policy. The bottom line is this: It doesn't matter what job you have, NFL player, Pool Player, stockbroker, lawyer, etc...etc..., if the rule states no drugs or you will be fired, then you have to be foolish to break it. IMO

 

[cheesemouse]

I can't think of a single drug in existance that could be classified as performance enhancing when it comes to cue sports.

Prove me wrong I dare you.

The proof is in fighting off a chemical attack every 30 minutes by a guy who comes back from his privy break looking like he just eat a powered biscuit and then puts a three pack on you...

 

[Poolfiend]

drugs

I can't think of a single drug in existance that could be classified as performance enhancing when it comes to cue sports.

Prove me wrong I dare you.

I can't prove you wrong, but I've heard that Ritalin and other drugs like it, when taken by people without ADHD, provides hours of increased focus and concentration. There was a rumor floating around that one of the top Pro's was using a Ritalin substitute. Just a rumor.

 

[kryptonite9]

People wonder why pool has a bad image, yet someone is starting a 22 million dollar tour and most of the discussion is concerning a drug testing policy. Nice.

 

[AngryPanda]

I can't think of a single drug in existance that could be classified as performance enhancing when it comes to cue sports.

Prove me wrong I dare you.

There are certain Amphetamines that help with focusing. That was one of the issues baseball has

 

[smokeandapancak]

People wonder why pool has a bad image, yet someone is starting a 22 million dollar tour and most of the discussion is concerning a drug testing policy. Nice.

The above is the most telling and insightful post I have ever read on this forum..........

 

[supergreenman]

People wonder why pool has a bad image, yet someone is starting a 22 million dollar tour and most of the discussion is concerning a drug testing policy. Nice.

Actually my main concern would be the tours desire to turn players into propriatary objects. Not allowing them to compete in other tours without thier permission.

This pretty much makes the tour the pimp and the players HOs.

 

[smokeandapancak]

Actually my main concern would be the tours desire to turn players into propriatary objects. Not allowing them to compete in other tours without thier permission.

This pretty much makes the tour the pimp and the players HOs.

As EVERY other Organizational body in EVERY other (legit) sport does....

KEEP THAT PIMP HAND STRONG.................................

 

[ScottW]

This pretty much makes the tour the pimp and the players HOs.

Would that make them "The Tour Director Named Slickback"?

(For those scratching their heads... watch "The Boondocks" on Cartoon Network - it's freaking hilarious)

 

[frankwhite]

Your the best, Oh! Have I said that before.......LOL

Recieved, thank you Jenny. "GIMMI A LIL NUMBA NOW" This is going right in my living room.....

 

[jgpool]

Assumption

Makes me wonder how the regional events would be handled too... like right now, you can enter a regional event and almost be assured to be alongside a pro or two. If they can't play in those, do you guys think that would be good or bad for the regional tours?

If this assumption is correct then I think it would be at the outset bad for the regional tourneys. Hopefully they would look at all the consequences of their restrictions and keep the betterment of billiards their foremost goal. Put the game ahead of pers gain. We can only hope they want to create the best possible product.

 

[nineballcc]

I just happened to find this thread today as a result of doing some research for a pro player. He called asking what I thought of the NACPBA - and asked me to look into it.

A couple of items...
1. I noticed the question about gambling came up in this thread. On the web site it says No Gambling at an NACPBA event. That should clear up the issue - it doesn't prevent players from gambling anywhere else.

2. The amateurs are being taken from a qualifying league system....sounds to me like the plans are to get the backing and financial support of a league (APA, BCA, TAP) we all know that's where the big revenues are currently.

3. Players must get pre-approval of sponsorship deals...wow...for players that don't currently have sponsors, this isn't an issue, but for those who do, they could lose their sponsors if the NACPBA doesn't approve or if the NACPBA isn't getting sponsorship from those sponsors.

4. The final A in NACPBA is for Associations...emphasis on the plural...how many Professional Billiard Associations do we have that are pulling together into this Confederation?

I guess I have more issues than I thought...

5. No tournament entry fee is currently posted.

6. I'm a stickler for grammar and punctuation especially when it comes to web sites...enough said.

I'm hesitant to get excited for the players here, I am hopeful that something can be pulled off for the players.

As for the Regional Tours...as my friend the pro actually stated...more players would like to play the Regional Tours if they knew they stood a better chance and the pro's weren't able to play.

Someone else said it earlier, if a tour is strong enough, they won't worry about attempting to eliminate other tours. They'll keep doing their business and the tours will have to step up their game, or work with the new changes.

 

[nineballcc]

One more thing...someone asked about the referee structure...

I'm a BCA Certified National Referee - I don't play in any leagues, but I went through the training, which includes tests, classroom time and floor time at the BCA in Vegas for two years running.

I am listed as a potential local league referee if there is a league event in the area that would require a referee, however I am not your local league player.

Just wanted to clear up the confusion about why they would use a local league referee... that doesn't mean an amateur league player. It means a referee in the area that has been through the training.