http://vimeo.com/27443918
Any opinions on this fellows method of installing table cloth with tape instead of glue.
Any opinions on this fellows method of installing table cloth with tape instead of glue.
New Method For Attaching Cloth?????
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Didn't watch the video, the question provided enough information, I think only OTLB would try that. NOT going to hold like "cloth, glue, slate". Otherwise you will have "cloth, glue, +(thickness+lateral give of substrate of tape), glue, slate". You will be fighting a variable you don't need & it won't hold the tension you need unless you are using really cheap cloth and don't really care about the table playing well. I have actually seen a table done by a "professional" who used duct tape and spray on glue. I'm not trying to come off as hard, just trying to put forth a little logic, hope it came through that way!
Todd
Todd
Watch the video's. The tape looks pretty neat for doing barbox rails. They use Mercury Ultra cloth on an 8ft Valley. If I remember correctly RKC has been experimenting with tape. So I guess you can add me to the list with OTLB on who would give it a shot. I always look into something before I bash it.
Seems rather ignorant of you for not watching the video and know absolutely nothing about the tape being used.
Any info on pricing?
Opinion
Smart people usually share an informed opinion. You should have watched the video. The method looks pretty solid if you watched the video you would have seen not much difference between this and the glue method.
Smart people usually share an informed opinion. You should have watched the video. The method looks pretty solid if you watched the video you would have seen not much difference between this and the glue method.
Thanks, very informative! I would like to try it out some time. Is the tape hard to remove when you recover the next time? I did hear you say you can't "re-stick" the cloth after embedding it.
I sent you some rep points (the green bars under your name) for your efforts. I can also see many other uses for your tape around the shop.
Have you tried your tape with Simonis or other worsted cloths? They require much more stretch than the Mercury ultra. Again thanks for the post and the videos.
Jay
You should watch the video with an open mind before you assert your opinion on it. As bad as John came off at times, at least he was willing to experiment and innovate to try to find a better way.
I'm not saying I'll use the tape. I'll probably keep doing tables the way I'm doing them. I do remember before the Alsip meeting though thinking there's no way a glue could hold cloth tighter than staples. Once I saw it happen, my mind was changed. This tape video didn't blow my mind the same way, but it did appear to work about as well as spray glue without the mess of overspray.
Poolhalljunkie
Majic
Pooltable911
Josh
You are all correct and I really can't believe I even posted that response without looking at the product, utterly stupid on my part. I just assumed it to be another bad idea turned into another bad product backed by great advertising (Hey, lets use carpet tape for the bed cloth! We'll be rich).
Todd "the Idiot of the day"
Majic
Pooltable911
Josh
You are all correct and I really can't believe I even posted that response without looking at the product, utterly stupid on my part. I just assumed it to be another bad idea turned into another bad product backed by great advertising (Hey, lets use carpet tape for the bed cloth! We'll be rich).
Todd "the Idiot of the day"
You are correct Pat, Glen has been experimenting with double stick tape and has talked with me about it's applications. I'm wondering if it's the same or similar product that was demonstrated? I'm sure RKC will chime in on the matter.
Jay
Yes, I've played around with the tape for a little while, then dropped the idea as time not spent very well.
(1) My take on the use of the tape is it takes longer to lay out the tape than it takes for me to roll out the glue using my glueing system.
(2) It don't hold as strong as the 3M10 does.
(3) You have to scrape off the tape before each new recovery. When using the 3M10, you don't have to remove the build up until about 4-5 uses.
(4) If you don't cover the sticky side of the tape fully under the slate, on a Diamond it'll stick to the plywood cross members making it a ***** to try and lift up the slate when it's stuck to the surface of the plywood.
Glen
(1) My take on the use of the tape is it takes longer to lay out the tape than it takes for me to roll out the glue using my glueing system.
(2) It don't hold as strong as the 3M10 does.
(3) You have to scrape off the tape before each new recovery. When using the 3M10, you don't have to remove the build up until about 4-5 uses.
(4) If you don't cover the sticky side of the tape fully under the slate, on a Diamond it'll stick to the plywood cross members making it a ***** to try and lift up the slate when it's stuck to the surface of the plywood.
Glen
Thanks for the rep points Jay, but i do not deserve them...lol. It is not me in the video nor is it my product. I was researching ways to do my own table at home, and was familiar with Glen's method from this forum. I stumbled across these videos while searching on the internet and had not seen any reference to this type of method before, so I thought it would be of interest to all the table mechanics and technicians on here and to hear their thoughts on it. The series of videos only seem to be 6 months to a year old, and the fellow makes mention that he has improved the tape from an earlier version. If you watch all the videos, it seems he is refining the tape and his method of applying it. However, after searching, I cannot seem to find any references as to where to purchase the tape or what it sells for. His name is Scott Chendo and I think he mentions the name "Shark Industries". Hopefully this fellow is a member on this forum, and will chime in; or you mechanics on here might be able to find more information than I was able to. Quite possibly some one on here might know him. Curious to know if the tape/adhesive would hold up to the stretch/tension that needs to be put on Simonis 860 HR.
interesting concept...
i also like this idea, put forth by Axel F., a buddy of Rambow who worked for Brunswick:
seems like a table, and a slate liner could be designed in such a way as to accomodate permanent adjustable clips of some sort to hold the cloth in place...
couldnt really be retrofitted but a new table could be made that way
i also like this idea, put forth by Axel F., a buddy of Rambow who worked for Brunswick:
seems like a table, and a slate liner could be designed in such a way as to accomodate permanent adjustable clips of some sort to hold the cloth in place...
couldnt really be retrofitted but a new table could be made that way
Found his website with more info. It is tabletape.com
If you buy the testimonials then it appears the tape works.
I won't knock it but IMO glue is faster. I'd question whether removing and
resticking the cloth if adjusting it would have any affect on the tape.
I just watched the videos after Rob told me about it yesterday.... interesting. going to order some and see how it handles me with 860hr. But still think glue would be faster. But like always, I'm willing to try out different things and make up my own mind at the end on the results. Think the rails were cool though- definately looking forwward to trying that out
Scott Chendo
New member
Good morning AZ.
I am Scott "Chendo" DeVincentis. I see that there are many questions about our product TableTape, so I'm here to answer them.
Sorry for coming in late to the conversation. I come to AZ quite a bit but I don't participate in the forum, and as a result login took about 24 hours to register. I'll try to answer all your questions as I see them.
First of all, a little bit about me. I've been a player for more than 40 years, and a mechanic for around 25 years or so, working on my tables and those of my friends.
Glue makes me sick and I got tired of using drop cloths to keep the mess off the floor and the table, not to mention on me.
I also hate scraping glue buildup off tables. It's especially important on one piece slates to prevent your slates from sagging in the center of the table.
I'm always looking to build a better mousetrap. Prior to the creation of Table Tape, I created another product that some people here are familiar with called Scotti Scuffer. You can find out more about that product at ScottiScuffer.com
I spent 2 years developing this product, testing many different formulas and combinations before I found what works. I've been in business for a little over a year, marketing to the amusement industry for their bar tables. I have many customers across the country, large and small.
This product works very well on all cloths that I know of. We've tested it against the large majority of commonly used cloths, and I've personally used the product on well over 50 tables spanning the last 2 years, and that includes both 760 and 860 Simonis. :thumbup:
Of course, cloth stretching is an art, and I've gone across the country and seen many different ways to stretch cloth. IMO, cloth can be overstretched as well. In extreme cases, I have seen the tape move on the slate. Oddly enough, I've only seen this happen directly on top of the support ledges, and only with Valley teflon cloth that was cut way too short, and severely overstretched.
Table Tape is designed to be used on tables that are in a stable room temperature environment ranging from 40 to 100 degrees. It does not work well in temperature extremes as storage and transport, such as tournament tables.
Table Tape is extremely thin and extremely strong. It's coated thickness is around .005 of an inch. In general, every third table recovery, we peel 2 layers of tape off the table. It takes just couple of minutes to do this.
We are not a large business, and we are the distributor of this product. We strive to keep our cost as low as we can for the mechanic, and we prefer to service my customers personally.
Table Tape comes in a 36 yard roll, which is enough to do 5 slates. It works very well on rails too.
I can answer any other questions you may have, and I will address them as they show up on the forum. Please feel free to contact us for any questions or concerns that you have.
Best Regards,
Scott DeVincentis
President DMG Marketing, LLC. / Shark Industries
scottd@tabletape.com
Office 414.502.0895
Cell 262.496.1027
I am Scott "Chendo" DeVincentis. I see that there are many questions about our product TableTape, so I'm here to answer them.
Sorry for coming in late to the conversation. I come to AZ quite a bit but I don't participate in the forum, and as a result login took about 24 hours to register. I'll try to answer all your questions as I see them.
First of all, a little bit about me. I've been a player for more than 40 years, and a mechanic for around 25 years or so, working on my tables and those of my friends.
Glue makes me sick and I got tired of using drop cloths to keep the mess off the floor and the table, not to mention on me.
I also hate scraping glue buildup off tables. It's especially important on one piece slates to prevent your slates from sagging in the center of the table.
I'm always looking to build a better mousetrap. Prior to the creation of Table Tape, I created another product that some people here are familiar with called Scotti Scuffer. You can find out more about that product at ScottiScuffer.com
I spent 2 years developing this product, testing many different formulas and combinations before I found what works. I've been in business for a little over a year, marketing to the amusement industry for their bar tables. I have many customers across the country, large and small.
This product works very well on all cloths that I know of. We've tested it against the large majority of commonly used cloths, and I've personally used the product on well over 50 tables spanning the last 2 years, and that includes both 760 and 860 Simonis. :thumbup:
Of course, cloth stretching is an art, and I've gone across the country and seen many different ways to stretch cloth. IMO, cloth can be overstretched as well. In extreme cases, I have seen the tape move on the slate. Oddly enough, I've only seen this happen directly on top of the support ledges, and only with Valley teflon cloth that was cut way too short, and severely overstretched.
Table Tape is designed to be used on tables that are in a stable room temperature environment ranging from 40 to 100 degrees. It does not work well in temperature extremes as storage and transport, such as tournament tables.
Table Tape is extremely thin and extremely strong. It's coated thickness is around .005 of an inch. In general, every third table recovery, we peel 2 layers of tape off the table. It takes just couple of minutes to do this.
We are not a large business, and we are the distributor of this product. We strive to keep our cost as low as we can for the mechanic, and we prefer to service my customers personally.
Table Tape comes in a 36 yard roll, which is enough to do 5 slates. It works very well on rails too.
I can answer any other questions you may have, and I will address them as they show up on the forum. Please feel free to contact us for any questions or concerns that you have.
Best Regards,
Scott DeVincentis
President DMG Marketing, LLC. / Shark Industries
scottd@tabletape.com
Office 414.502.0895
Cell 262.496.1027
Scott Chendo
New member
I forgot to add the information about installation time. Once you're comfortable with TableTape, it takes about 6 minutes or so, to install the tape onto the table. From there, you do every thing else, just as you would with glue.
Just wondering, how tight are you stretching the bed cloth when you install it on a Valley 7ft bar slate, using Simonis 860 for example?