NEW NATIONAL RATING SYTEM - SVB vs. You

[JB Cases]

In the first place, you'd have to bet some $$$$ to make it worth while for his time to play you.

Second place, you'd win a lot more games than you think you would, because Shane would not play you like someone who could really beat him, so he'd be playing to make it fun for you, so you got your moneys worth and feel like it was great to play him.

Third place, I wouldn't doubt it a bit if Shane let you hang with him by playing off the wall shots until you got up to about 80 games, then leave you sitting there holding your cue while he finished you off.

I mean really, how much could you push Shane to play at his best...if he knows you don't have a chance in hell of beating him

You'll NEVER get your best from someone like Shane...unless you can force him to play to win....think about it, or IS this just "FANTASY POOL" you are talking about here:thumbup:

Maybe it's just me but like Efren I have seen Shane play cheap with people and still play hard. I think that is one thing that defines truly great and humble players, they never treat anyone's action like it's too small to be uninteresting. I have seen people throwing Efren a $20 bill every five minutes for hours and loving every minute of it.

 

[MoneyBox]

No to put down your 2 racks against him, winning 1 against him is something you should be proud of, but the 20 racks you plaed with him, was this in a competitive sense or was he just screwing around with some shots?

It was not in competition, but I wouldn't say he was screwing around either. He was in practice mode and I think he got tired of racking...haha. On that note, he hit one of the sickest shots I've seen in person...Z-banked the 3 ball and then a three rail breakout of the 4 ball and left with perfect shape. I wish I had recorded it.

 

[BasementDweller]

I am dead serious. I would bet $1000 on myself. If I can't get 30 games before Shane gets 100 I should quit pool.

Would you take a 7 game spot racing to 10 against Shane?

I would have to take that spot all day every day. And if I didn't win I would have to stay broke taking it until I did or simply put the cue away.

You do have a way of looking at things that makes me rethink stuff. Obviously, I'm an idiot for saying I would have to keep a 3-7 pace in my OP. That would give me more like 42 games. 30 is more reasonable. Just have to win 3 out of 12 racks. 3 out of 13 would be a push until the end.

Hmmm. I need to turn this into a list.

 

[the420trooper]

I am dead serious. I would bet $1000 on myself. If I can't get 30 games before Shane gets 100 I should quit pool.

I think RKC makes a good point in that Shane wouldn't play you or I like he just played Dennis O., because he wouldn't have to. You might very well get to 30 because of that.

It's hard to bring out the killer attitude against someone who can't beat you, but if Shane played "real'' SVB speed, I just don't think 30 is a realistic number.

Also have to chuckle at your offer to wager in every other post. You probably should be glad those go mostly unanswered.

On topic, I might expect myself to get 12-16 games, and I can beat the 9 ball ghost about half the time. Shane breaks better than me, runs out better, plays defense better, makes fewer unforced errors....

How am I gonna get to 30 against someone who does everything better?

 

[kvinbrwr]

I like JB more than most. I have no idea how he plays at all. However, I'd be willing to bet in the blind on JB not getting to 30. I wonder if we could drum up enough financial interest (considering the crowd of guys that dislike JB I would think the answer is yes) to interest TAR and Shane?

One of TAR's first matches was an AZ grudge fest and the threads leading up to this one would be epic and I think the event would be well watched.

JB, when could you be in Vegas ?

Kevin

 

[iba7467]

I am dead serious. I would bet $1000 on myself. If I can't get 30 games before Shane gets 100 I should quit pool.

Would you take a 7 game spot racing to 10 against Shane?

I would have to take that spot all day every day. And if I didn't win I would have to stay broke taking it until I did or simply put the cue away.

I would not take 7 going to 10 but I have no dillusions that my level of play is horrible. I expect you play fairly well and could win many 7-10 races. My expectation though would be the constant break and runs and pressure by Shane in a race to 100 would be too strong. I don't think Shane would race to 100 for $1,000 but it would be fun to sweat.

 

[SplicedPoints]

I think John's a lock to get at least 20, with 30 a possibility but really close to stretching. He's no slouch.

 

[thepavlos]

maybe 13?just filler

 

[perspicaz]

I would be very proud to get 10 against Shane. To be honest, even though I might win playing to 10 with 7 on the wire I believe Shane would win that more often than not too.

You have talked about Shane not playing "too hard" because we are not a threat at all, but there is also the intimidation factor that would affect us playing him. I have a friend that played Feijen on a post Eurotour 8 ball open and he was so intimidated he couldn't make a ball (lost like 9-0). He is obviously not Niels, but is able to run out and Niels left him like 5 or 6 chances. YMMV.

 

[JB Cases]

I like JB more than most. I have no idea how he plays at all. However, I'd be willing to bet in the blind on JB not getting to 30. I wonder if we could drum up enough financial interest (considering the crowd of guys that dislike JB I would think the answer is yes) to interest TAR and Shane?

One of TAR's first matches was an AZ grudge fest and the threads leading up to this one would be epic and I think the event would be well watched.

JB, when could you be in Vegas ?

Kevin

You would lose. If such a game for significant money ever came to pass then I would train for it along the lines that Shane trains and I would get to 30 easily. Right now, with a bad back, barely playing and a with a bad attitude I still think I could get there after an hour's worth of play to get a rhythm going. Yesterday I stopped in the pool room for an hour before picking up my daughter, lost the first two racks ran a three pack, lost a rack ran a two pack, eked out four more games and capped off the quickie session with another break and run. Quick $70 paid for all the kid's ice cream after school. And that was sweating like a pig, playing off the rack with a badly fitting glove on.

Another way to look at it is that Shane isn't going to get much better between now and whenever I would play him, but I have a lot of room for improvement.

If any other player wants to try me giving up 7 on the wire going to 10 I will be happy to play them too, no one on the planet is barred at this game. If I can't get three games out of every ten played then I will happily give all my cues away and completely retire from pool and take up something else, like drinking.

 

[BasementDweller]

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If any other player wants to try me giving up 7 on the wire going to 10 I will be happy to play them too, no one on the planet is barred at this game. If I can't get three games out of every ten played then I will happily give all my cues away and completely retire from pool and take up something else, like drinking.

Again...it's not 3 out of every 10 games. It's 3 out of every 12 or 13 right?

As the mayor of Fantasyville it's my job to keep the facts straight.

 

[JB Cases]

I think RKC makes a good point in that Shane wouldn't play you or I like he just played Dennis O., because he wouldn't have to. You might very well get to 30 because of that.

It's hard to bring out the killer attitude against someone who can't beat you, but if Shane played "real'' SVB speed, I just don't think 30 is a realistic number.

Also have to chuckle at your offer to wager in every other post. You probably should be glad those go mostly unanswered.

On topic, I might expect myself to get 12-16 games, and I can beat the 9 ball ghost about half the time. Shane breaks better than me, runs out better, plays defense better, makes fewer unforced errors....

How am I gonna get to 30 against someone who does everything better?

I just said I would bet on myself, it's a way of saying that I am confident. People in the poolroom offer to bet on everything, it's pool room talk, this is a pool forum, people who grew up in the pool room understand it. When I say I will bet then I will bet and the reason most of my offers to bet go untaken is because what I propose to bet on is unlikely to happen so the bet is rhetorical OR the other side knows that I mean it and can back it up in which case they are afraid to bet and rightly so.

As for me getting to 30 against Shane, I like my chances. Maybe I am crazy but I don't see myself losing with that spot and I already know what the pressure is like playing against top players with what seems like ridiculous weight. I played Jesse Bowman getting the last four in 9 ball and my arm felt like jelly playing him.

I ran five racks out of the gate against Ronnie Wiseman, broke dry and the next time I saw a makeable shot it was like 9:5 for him and I had a three foot shot and I drove it into the rubber a diamond away from the pocket.

But IF this ever came to pass, which it won't, I would serious train for it and hope that I was fit enough to at least not be that nervous and just work through my racks.

 

[JB Cases]

Again...it's not 3 out of every 10 games. It's 3 out of every 12 or 13 right?

As the mayor of Fantasyville it's my job to keep the facts straight.

Again if Shane wants to spot me 7 games on the wire going to 10 then you can bet the farm, the county, the whole state if you like.

I have no doubt he will put lots of packages together. But I will be present and shooting. Dennis Orcullo made a lot of unforced errors. Without those the score looks a lot different. Not saying that I would ever make less unforced errors than Dennis but I am not going to make so many as to not get to 30 games.

And if I am wrong then bye bye pool Hello beer pong.

 

[cleary]

Shane might get to 90 against me. Maybe.

 

[nine_ball6970]

Alright - let's hear it....on the TAR table, playing 10 Ball, how many racks would you win against Shane in a race to 100? This is assuming Shane would be interested the entire match.

I'm wondering if I could get to 30? Probably wouldn't bet on it. That's a pretty humbling thought.

I would guess probably 10-20. Maybe a couple more than 20 if I am playing top speed but I think the only way I could win 30 is in my dreams.

 

[kvinbrwr]

You would lose. If such a game for significant money ever came to pass then I would train for it along the lines that Shane trains and I would get to 30 easily. Right now, with a bad back, barely playing and a with a bad attitude I still think I could get there after an hour's worth of play to get a rhythm going. Yesterday I stopped in the pool room for an hour before picking up my daughter, lost the first two racks ran a three pack, lost a rack ran a two pack, eked out four more games and capped off the quickie session with another break and run. Quick $70 paid for all the kid's ice cream after school. And that was sweating like a pig, playing off the rack with a badly fitting glove on.

Another way to look at it is that Shane isn't going to get much better between now and whenever I would play him, but I have a lot of room for improvement.

If any other player wants to try me giving up 7 on the wire going to 10 I will be happy to play them too, no one on the planet is barred at this game. If I can't get three games out of every ten played then I will happily give all my cues away and completely retire from pool and take up something else, like drinking.

Well I've read your post and it didn't change my mind. I'd still be betting against you. The disgreement over the outcome we have is what makes bets happen. Problem (as I see it) is 3-fold:

1) Your grand on you is not enough to cover Shane's action. I'm guessing you (or your backers) has to go 6K to get him in the race to 100 (if he's willing, for all I know Shane might not like his end of it).

2) Although you did amplify your boast, you didn't name a date you could or would be in Vegas, which makes scheduling a little difficult.

3) I have no idea if TAR would be interested.

Anybody want to bet JB's side in this tussle?

Thanks

Kevin

 

[nine_ball6970]

Well I've read your post and it didn't change my mind. I'd still be betting against you. The disgreement over the outcome we have is what makes bets happen. Problem (as I see it) is 3-fold:

1) Your grand on you is not enough to cover Shane's action. I'm guessing you (or your backers) has to go 6K to get him in the race to 100 (if he's willing, for all I know Shane might not like his end of it).

2) Although you did amplify your boast, you didn't name a date you could or would be in Vegas, which makes scheduling a little difficult.

3) I have no idea if TAR would be interested.

Anybody want to bet JB's side in this tussle?

Thanks

Kevin

Just an observer but has JB ever actually gotten into action as a result of any of his posts on this site? All I see is lots of woofing and nothing ever happening.

 

[kvinbrwr]

Just an observer but has JB ever actually gotten into action as a result of any of his posts on this site? All I see is lots of woofing and nothing ever happening.

Actually I think he has. JB (just my impression as I don't follow him as closely as some) I think is willing to back up his claims. Trouble is, he is over there in China and that makes logistics a bit difficult.

Kevin

 

[kvinbrwr]

On a slightly different but similar vein.

How many AZers would have to be on the ice at the same time, vs a 5 man NHL squad to play them even ?

NBA ?

Thanks

Kevin

 

[JB Cases]

Well I've read your post and it didn't change my mind. I'd still be betting against you. The disgreement over the outcome we have is what makes bets happen. Problem (as I see it) is 3-fold:

1) Your grand on you is not enough to cover Shane's action. I'm guessing you (or your backers) has to go 6K to get him in the race to 100 (if he's willing, for all I know Shane might not like his end of it).

2) Although you did amplify your boast, you didn't name a date you could or would be in Vegas, which makes scheduling a little difficult.

3) I have no idea if TAR would be interested.

Anybody want to bet JB's side in this tussle?

Thanks

Kevin

1. I don't have any backers.
2. I plan to be in Vegas for the BCA but something personal has come up that may nix that.
3. I highly doubt TAR wants me in particular on the stream nor any half-baked amateur getting slaughtered by Shane.
4. Why wouldn't Shane take the easy money of $1000 for playing a day or two of pool. Getting paid to practice with a little bit of a challenge isn't the worst thing in the world.
5. I don't have any backers.