New Predator Shaft Rumor
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JB Cases said:
And please stop by Bob Meucci's booth for his new blank-dot shafts, they will DEFINITELY surprise you!!
Are you serious, hijacking someone's thread to turn people's attention to your booth? At least start your own thread, IT'S FREE.
worriedbeef said:
I think they do have a wood outside with a rod inside shaft as well.
Although no matter what, they probably did not and would not test it for "feel" or "hit". I say probably as I have not talked to anyone in Cuetec about how they design their items, just going by feel and reputation.
JB Cases said:
For pure performance, composites (graphite, fiberglass, kevlar type of things) are superior. The great part of cues which they will miss out on is the craft and feel. I'm sure there are people who purely want something to hit a ball with, those you see with the all black cuetec or a low-end Player. The rest, which is probably 99% of the readers and posters here, are not only into the game for the ability to deflect a ball 13% better but also to see and feel the history and art of the game. A company may come up with a true no deflection shaft or cue, but it the feel of the hit is jarring or unlike a taditional cue, the major collectors and true players would pass. That's how I veiw things. If they come up with a material that feels like wood and reacts to a hit like wood, then they would have something special. Every non-wood shaft or cue I tried (even those only coated) have felt like you were hitting with a broom-handle.
sponge bob said:
Nope. That's not the new shaft.
Composites make the most sense to be pool cue shafts, consistency-wise; however they leave a lot to be desired hit-wise.
If anyone can marry the two, then you have got the nuts. I have talked to Predator about this shaft a few times, and they are not there yet.
Perhaps they will get there...
Perhaps not...
SCCues said:
Now, if Predator updates their shafts, but you keep playing with the 2nd gen shafts to which you have just adapted, this will be a good plan to improve the consistency of your game
Regards,
Detlev
What I have been hearing is that they have 2 new shaft design's in the works the first one is the composite wood combo. Then in 1-2 years they are supposed to release an all composite no wood shaft like a golf club shaft. I was told it's been his personal goal for years to come up with it to show you dont need wood for a great shaft and still play top notch. How close to being reality I dont know just words from friends that used to work @ Predator.
Craig
Craig
Well, composite will be a whole new thing - not only for Predator, but also for the player.
- The shaft will not need to be burnished, just cleaned
- Turning it off will be impossible, in my opinion, as the composite should probably not be worked on once it's finished
- Customizing them for a certain butt will be very difficult, and will require new capabilities for most cuemakers, as they would need to thread into plastics or work an insert into it
- Repairing a shaft should be completely impossible
- Glueing a ferrule will require new adhesives
Woah, what a mess.
This reminds me of car brakes: The industry could provide hydraulic oils which would be much less hazardous for the environment. However, the breaksystem would require entirely new seals, and once a mechanic puts the wrong liquid into the wrong brake, fatalities will be the result. So everybody uses the old fluids - just to be safe.
Regards,
Detlev
- The shaft will not need to be burnished, just cleaned
- Turning it off will be impossible, in my opinion, as the composite should probably not be worked on once it's finished
- Customizing them for a certain butt will be very difficult, and will require new capabilities for most cuemakers, as they would need to thread into plastics or work an insert into it
- Repairing a shaft should be completely impossible
- Glueing a ferrule will require new adhesives
Woah, what a mess.
This reminds me of car brakes: The industry could provide hydraulic oils which would be much less hazardous for the environment. However, the breaksystem would require entirely new seals, and once a mechanic puts the wrong liquid into the wrong brake, fatalities will be the result. So everybody uses the old fluids - just to be safe.
Regards,
Detlev
Hey guys, we have no plans of releasing a new shaft any time soon. Allan was always convinced that composite is the way to go but I think that is an idea that will take some time. The new P3 is pretty incredible and not to mention one of the sexiest cues that I have seen in a long time. If I hear anything about a new shaft I wil let you know.
Are you guys talking about this shaft?
They got the patent approved in 2006 for it, so the idea's been around for a while. My guess is that they can't get the feel right, but who knows.
They got the patent approved in 2006 for it, so the idea's been around for a while. My guess is that they can't get the feel right, but who knows.
Fart sniffer said:
I didn't hijack the thread - I posted a relevant comment about another radial spliced shaft.
It's funny I don't see you jumping in to defend me whenever someone interjects comments about other cases in my threads about my cases.
This wasn't a thread put up by Predator to advertise their shafts. It is a thread put up by a person interested in seeing if anyone has any info about the P3 shaft/cue. Then the discussion turned to the merits of composite construction and so at that point it's perfectly acceptable to offer an alternative.
Or maybe the idea of having choices in your equipment is not so desirable?
I interject information wherever I feel it's relevant. I think my posting record here speaks for itself as to providing the community with good content.
As a consumer myself I am always interested to hear about new products. Especially if it's done in context and not as a blaring advertisement. This one was low key and in context with the thread conversation. At least in my opinion it was.
poolsnark said:
Isn't this just a patent application? As far as that goes though there are many patents for composite cues and shafts that have been filed and granted in Taiwan. Many different variations.
I have around ten shafts in various configurations that may or may not see the market someday. And I have tested many more than that in the last two years.
I am sure that Predator and other companies are constantly tweaking their products to try and produce the next "magic bullet".
I imagine that someday someone will invent the right combination that is utterly indistinguishable from solid wood yet has perfect consistency. And when they do then they will begin the long uphill battle to convince people that their invention actually does what they say it does. That is the hard part.
I spoke with Gerda today...she always uses a Pred shaft. I mentioned that I heard they may be coming out with a new composite shaft. She said she had just recently spent some time with them & they made no mention of it to her. I believe if they were hopped up on a new shaft...they surely would of made mention of it to a top pro using their product.
BPG24 said:
Well the truth is in...you & your "good friend" are spreading false rumors.
Confirmed by Rocky & Gerda.
It could be possible that the hype for a new Predator shaft has some justification. Seems the Predator Group of Companies came out with a line of cues called Poison last year. The cues claim to fame is the DD (Double Density) shaft technology, which actually ( IMHO) hits as good if not better than the 314's. The shaft is actually solid hard maple other than the different density material they put in the top 6 inches
I also have their jump break cue. I have never been a fan of the straight jump cue cause I always had a hell of a time making the ball jump ( old age I guess ). I can say that I am extremely pleased with this break cue and more with the jump part.
Walter
I also have their jump break cue. I have never been a fan of the straight jump cue cause I always had a hell of a time making the ball jump ( old age I guess ). I can say that I am extremely pleased with this break cue and more with the jump part.
Walter
