New Respect For Snooker Players.

chamillionare said:
ok i did not really want to get into a barking match online cause i wont be coming to america for ay least 4 months but the next time im there we can play blackjack. im a man of my word so ill message you when i know im coming maybe we can play for $5,000 or so but we can also play a long race at 8 ball too for the same amount at least one game i have played before.
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Listen, I'm a man of my word also. I don't care what we play. I'm a pool player. If you want just 8 ball, we can play just 8 ball and cut the other nonsense out, because IMO the straight pool and snooker is going to cancel itself out anyway.
 
Alright!!!! I had to go pop some popcorn so I could read all of this thread. I hope the match between blackjack and the chamillionare is posted somewhere.

Maybe JCIN and the good folks over at the action challenge could put together a snooker/14.1 challenge match between two top players of the respective disciplines. I would pay to see it. All of my vcash will be on John Schmidt.:D
 
This thread really did get interesting!

I'm sure most people here know I started out playing pool then turned to snooker & now I'm back playing pool again. I've said before a lot of non-regular players in the UK would say snooker is harder, simply because they try it on a 12ft table & can't make a shot. Those same people play pool on a barbox & do OK so think it's easier.

They don't take into account the control good players can exert on the CB to win the game. Hell, I used to think the same way until I realised that many good snooker players I knew could be beaten easily at pool. They just didn't have a "pool brain." Maybe they'd see the outs but not where their opponent was going to safe them. Things like that.

I learned to play chess many years ago & the guy who taught me said it would help with the way I think ahead in snooker. I said it'd be much more beneficial in pool.

One last thing, while you don't see many power shots in snooker, don't think the players can't make them. I've seen some impressive shots made on a 12x6!
 
jay helfert said:
I think that a top snooker player playing with 15 reds could run 100 balls. And maybe a lot more. Once they figure out the break shot, it's all over. JMO
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Jay I just got back from trying this. I think it would be tough for even a pro to run 100 balls. I only had a little less than an hour to play and all I got was 21 but the problems were any ball that goes near the rail is really tough, you have to try to keep the balls in the business end of the table and 2 times I got into the second rack and both times I played the break shot with the bridge(thats the rest to you Boro). I think running 40 like this would be as tough as running 100 on a pool table. It really wasn't that much fun. I tried this with snooker balls and my John Parris snooker cue on a 6x12 that had old pool cloth on it.
 
Mr Hann is quite smart, he knows he'll own any snooker portion of a challenge match and thus would be entering the 8 ball portion with no pressure and nothing to lose

a little barking about how snooker players are better, and some ego bruised pool players with cash to spare wanting to show up the loud mouthed aussie.......

this is bad math boys

switch 8 ball to straights or nine ball and he still owns the snooker portion, his chances decrease in the pool portion but he still can't lose the match

Both Alain Robidoux and Kirk Stevens both cracked the top 10 world snooker rankings, both shoot good pool, and both are still only in their 40's, either of them might make a decent match

Alex P might have a shot at the snooker portion on his best day, maybe Cliff Thornburn too,

There are some boys in Montreal that probably have more experience playing and gambling on both games than anyone in the world, Mr Hann could get action there easy, HOWEVER, Mr Hann is known for his temper and that won't fly with those boys in that town

I'm glad Earl doesn't gamble cause he would have a problem over there
 
smashmouth said:
Mr Hann is quite smart, he knows he'll own any snooker portion of a challenge match and thus would be entering the 8 ball portion with no pressure and nothing to lose

a little barking about how snooker players are better, and some ego bruised pool players with cash to spare wanting to show up the loud mouthed aussie.......

this is bad math boys

switch 8 ball to straights or nine ball and he still owns the snooker portion, his chances decrease in the pool portion but he still can't lose the match

Both Alain Robidoux and Kirk Stevens both cracked the top 10 world snooker rankings, both shoot good pool, and both are still only in their 40's, either of them might make a decent match

Alex P might have a shot at the snooker portion on his best day, maybe Cliff Thornburn too,

There are some boys in Montreal that probably have more experience playing and gambling on both games than anyone in the world, Mr Hann could get action there easy, HOWEVER, Mr Hann is known for his temper and that won't fly with those boys in that town

I'm glad Earl doesn't gamble cause he would have a problem over there
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Does Robidoux still play? Man he was quite brilliant when he was on. He just kinda fell off the map. I used love watching him play, real fluid stroke. After Thorburn and Stevens, I think he was the best player to come out of Canada. If he plays any pool at all he would have to be strong, but I have never seen his name in anything.
 
I had the pleasure of speaking with Cliff Thornburn a few months ago on the telephone and we discussed the difference between snooker and pool, he has a unique view being one one of only an elite group to being a World Snooker Champion.

He discribed it like this and I quote...

"I can have 3 months off from playing pool and come back pick up and cue and you would never know it...however 3 months off from playing snooker and it would take me a month of solid practice to get back up to speed"

The words I have used may not be word for word exactly his...but you get the idea.
 
the thought of picking up a snooker cue again really does not appeal to me plus its not a real exciting bet like everyone pointed out. but when i start playing again and come to america i will take up blackjack on his 250 start to 1000 straight pool and we can play for the same amount again at 8 ball and after blackjack i will use his money to play john as i really think you overate yourself john i know you are a good player but i dont think your as good as you think you are. so i promise i will bring a nice amount of cash and we can play all 3 of us at the same venue, and ill even play some 10 ball and straight pool so we can forget the snooker.


and by your own reckoning you said 8 and 9 ball is a lucky game with short races!! that means that because you have played for so long you were bound to get lucky and win a tournament right? us open who did you beat was there big money there or did all the top players get unlucky and thats how a second rate player like you got lucky.
 
by the way john i know you think 8 ball is a lucky game and the ipt was only short races first to 8 games and round robin with the top 3 going so how did you get on?
 
this is how i got on johny boy

p.s I am not like other snooker players I can play any game with a little time.

i went to the ipt tournament after not playing for around 18 months (yes i was banned and i believed i would never play again) i practised one week before it and played the first day of the tournament in las vegas with a 10mm tip snooker cue (not mine as i got rid of that) after realising i could not play good pool with a snooker cue and just scrapping through to the second round i bought a predator shaft off a vendor and the butt off Karl Boyes, then borrowed John Wims predator break cue. i started potting and running out better but my break was still not that good but i still finished 7th using an american pool cue for the first time it was so draining trying to remember the different throw of this cue that i was exhausted after the comp finished.

next ipt tournament in 1 month or so

i did not really like that pool cue so i gave it to Johl Younger from australia who used it in the next ipt comp no one sells pool cues in australia so most players just use a snooker cue or get a cue maker to make a snooker cross pool cue but i dont have time and was too lazy to get it dont before so i order 3 different shafts off the internet it takes a few weeks to arrive in australia. but thats no problem as there is only i believe 3 pool rooms in melbourne with american tables so i still only play 2 to 3 times a weeks leading up to the next ipt comp.

go to the next ipt comp in nevada i finish 24th i break much better and have no problems making balls off break i have a good shot at finishing higher but i cant pot a ball or get position for some reason. when i get home i realise that maybe it was because i took the weight bolt out of the new pool cue im using 2 days before i left and played with a 17 half ounce pool cue. My game was not 100% at these comps obviously

so even with this pathetic preparation i finish overall i think 16th on ipt rankings and from memory beat in these 2 comps thorston hohman, ronnie alcano, david alcaide, karl boyes, mike segal, darran appleton, marlon manalo, wu chia-ching, mika immonen, jose parica, jason kirkwood, tony robles, jeremy jones, these are all very solid pool players i believe.

You really think if I start playing for a few months in America or the philipines you can beat me lmao start saving your money cause when I come to the states sometime this year you will have an opportunity to win a lot from me.

Respectfully yours Quinten Hann
 
chamillionare said:
the thought of picking up a snooker cue again really does not appeal to me plus its not a real exciting bet like everyone pointed out. but when i start playing again and come to america i will take up blackjack on his 250 start to 1000 straight pool and we can play for the same amount again at 8 ball and after blackjack i will use his money to play john as i really think you overate yourself john i know you are a good player but i dont think your as good as you think you are. so i promise i will bring a nice amount of cash and we can play all 3 of us at the same venue, and ill even play some 10 ball and straight pool so we can forget the snooker.


and by your own reckoning you said 8 and 9 ball is a lucky game with short races!! that means that because you have played for so long you were bound to get lucky and win a tournament right? us open who did you beat was there big money there or did all the top players get unlucky and thats how a second rate player like you got lucky.
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Nice....
A world class dump artist calling out two stand up guys....

what a douche bag
 
smokeandapancak said:
Nice....
A world class dump artist calling out two stand up guys....

what a douche bag
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TAP TAP!!

Smoke,
I hate to point out grammatical errors, but you forgot the word "giant" in your description of Mr. Hann. It should read:

"What a GIANT douche bag"
 
easy-e said:
TAP TAP!!

Smoke,
I hate to point out grammatical errors, but you forgot the word "giant" in your description of Mr. Hann. It should read:

"What a GIANT douche bag"
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My bad, I flirted with the idea of tossing a MASSHUMONGOLICIOUS in there ... but change my mind at the last second....didnt want to go over anyones head.
 
chamillionare said:
after blackjack i will use his money to play john as i really think you overate yourself john i know you are a good player but i dont think your as good as you think you are.
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What makes you so confident that you're going to win? lol

You know what, I realize that you're in a bind. You have 6 years left on your ban, and you thought that perhaps that you could come in here and stir up some $hit by talking $hit - just to draw some attention towards yourself - but did it ever occur to you that you're a bad bet?

You can talk all the crap you want about beating me at straight pool. That sounds just as hilarious as me saying I could come close to beating you at snooker. Lke I said, they cancel each other out. I respect your snooker skills immensely and I know I have no chance at that game.

But...

I've seen you play 9 ball. You shouldn't play me or John in 9 ball.

I've seen you play 8 ball and I feel the same way.

Considering the situation that you find yourself in with your snooker career, you should be out there trying to change your image. Perhaps kissing babies and volunteering to feed the Alzheimer patients down at the old folks home. However you seem content on trying to stir action with players that you have no chance against, so here we are.

Although I'm not sure I coud get anyone to stake me against you because of your reputation, I will try my hardest to find someone. You need to know that your reputation precedes you, no offense intended - but it is the elephant in the room.

I am a straight pool specialist just like you are a snooker specialist. I am willing to drop the straight pool and settle it in an extended set of 8 ball. I believe that is fair. If you insist on the straight pool, be my guest. Losing to an aging gunfighter like myself won't raise your stock any higher than it was 2 days ago. Don't come back on here trying to high roll me either. I'm willing to play you an extended race in 8 ball (no lower than 50 games) for $5000. I think that would be a fair test.

Also, If you don't think John is as good as he thinks he is, you have something wrong with you. I think John is better than he realizes. Thinking you have any chance in hell to beat him is ridiculous.

All that being said, I'll be ready to play you whenever you get here.
 
Blackjack said:
I've seen you play 8 ball and I feel the same way.


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I am a straight pool specialist just like you are a snooker specialist.
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Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but I thought Quinten Hann was best known for his UK 8-ball specialty. Maybe that was Appleton.

Fred
 
Cornerman said:
Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but I thought Quinten Hann was best known for his UK 8-ball specialty. Maybe that was Appleton.

Fred
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You are thinking of Darren Appleton who is an amazing pool player.
 
Cornerman said:
All this time I was sure you knew better. Straight pool and 14.1 are the same game, Fred
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Damn! How did I miss it? Right there on page 388 in Capelle's Play Your Best Straight Pool

Straight Pool Also known as 14.1

Ah! Now I remember. I was reading that page and watching a 14.1 game ... and fell asleep.:D :D :D

I'll toss out for discussion (or ridicule:D) :

First, different sized tables and different games develop different skill sets. If you want to prove your adaptability, go play those other tables and games successfully. Don't demand that others play your game and proclaim superiority if they don't comply.

Second, the proposition that pocketing balls on a 100 inch long table with 4+ inch pockets is tougher that pocketing balls on a 138 inch long table with 3.33 inch pockets won't pass any objective test.

Third, players from other countries have competed successfully at snooker's highest level: Ding from China; Robertson from Australia; Drago from Malta; Wych and Thorburn from Canada. That is where the prize money, fat endorsements, and reputations to create audiences for exhibitions are found. Given the constant complaining about sparse pickings in U.S. cue sports, it is amazing that no U.S. player has made the transition.

Fourth, the U.S. Straight Pool Championship was played on a Gabriels table:D
 
Blackjack said:
You are thinking of Darren Appleton who is an amazing pool player.
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Dynamite Daz is undoubtedly the best uk 8 ball player never yet to have won the uk style 8 ball world championship and has made the transition to American tables with his usual thoroughness, brilliant all round player under pressure.

However he would of course be eaten alive by Hann at snooker.

Darren, Mick Hill, Gareth Potts and any other current top uk 8 ball pool player or fan would definitely agree that Mark Selby would currently be, by a very very long way, the head and shoulders outright red hot favourite to win any combined event that consisted of snooker plus uk style 8 ball pool. Look out if that guy ever decides to convert to to the American tables/rules and takes it seriously:)
 
chamillionare said:
the thought of picking up a snooker cue again really does not appeal to me plus its not a real exciting bet like everyone pointed out. but when i start playing again and come to america i will take up blackjack on his 250 start to 1000 straight pool and we can play for the same amount again at 8 ball and after blackjack i will use his money to play john as i really think you overate yourself john i know you are a good player but i dont think your as good as you think you are. so i promise i will bring a nice amount of cash and we can play all 3 of us at the same venue, and ill even play some 10 ball and straight pool so we can forget the snooker.


and by your own reckoning you said 8 and 9 ball is a lucky game with short races!! that means that because you have played for so long you were bound to get lucky and win a tournament right? us open who did you beat was there big money there or did all the top players get unlucky and thats how a second rate player like you got lucky.
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to win the usopen i did get lucky it takes alot of luck to win big 9ball tourneys.like you said im overated and a second tier player thats fine.so you should have no problem playing me 9ball ,1hole,14.1 8ball banks for say 20000 a set.looking forward to seeing you soon
 
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