New Respect For Snooker Players.

i agree with what your saying i think the really top players are too one dimensional ronnie at snooker is a freak but i dont think he could be a top pool player, but the lower ranked players cross over very easily and would be a match for nearly all your top players at 8 and 9 ball within a short period though they would need a good 6 or so months to get there breaks up to speed. as for the other games you mentioned i think you need knowledge at those games and that would take time but with time alot of snooker players would be great at these games too. already there cuing is more accurate then nearly all pool players, they just need to adjust to a slightly different delivery at pool
 
My money would for sure be on Quinten Hann in the challenge he just set out above.

He almost certainly can't lose on the snooker leg of the challenge (provided he's not allowed to back against himself at the bookies:p ;) ) and has a reasonable chance against anyone in the world at 8 ball so with a result of 1 challenge leg each being called a draw it's a pretty good low risk bet overall at even money odds:)
 
memikey said:
My money would for sure be on Quinten Hann in the challenge he just set out above.

He almost certainly can't lose on the snooker leg of the challenge (provided he's not allowed to back against himself at the bookies:p ;) ) and has a reasonable chance against anyone in the world at 8 ball so with a result of 1 challenge leg each being called a draw it's a pretty good low risk bet overall at even money odds:)
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I sure hope someone takes him up on it but I agree, it's probably a draw at best for his opponent.

I don't think it's reasonable to think that a pool player could easily switch over to snooker. Like a lot of people have said, the game takes a very pure stroke. It's more demanding technically. But, I think the best pool players (Efren at least) could have been a top snooker player if he had come up as one. Obviously that can't be proven but he's just got too much tallent/skill to think otherwise IMO.

I would concede the arguement forever if a snooker player came over and won against one of the top one pocket players in a long ahead set. I mean the required skill set is different and it's not just knowledge. It's knowing what to do and being able to execute many different kinds of shots repeatedly with very high accuracy. Or, maybe since the snooker players shoot so straight, they should just fire away and try to outrun the one pocket player. I doubt that would work in the end but I'd like to see someone try it.
 
Would generally agree with that Alex.

By the way, as well as his reasonably good IPT exploits with virtually zero prior experience or practice on American style tables Mr Hann was also a top of the range uk style 8 ball pool player (without too much practice at that either) and was in a not too disimilar bracket to Darren Appleton in that discipline, so he is not blowing his pool trumpet as loud as he might:)

Sorry for killing your action Quentin but nobody on here would ever rush into 100k bets without checking you out anyway:p
 
dont worry mike, but i was not blowing my trumpet at all i just think im like a 90% fav all day long against any pool player with that bet geez id almost consider playing 9-ball which i really dont like or have much experience in except for 5 or so comps in 8 years
 
chamillionare said:
i agree with what your saying i think the really top players are too one dimensional ronnie at snooker is a freak but i dont think he could be a top pool player, but the lower ranked players cross over very easily and would be a match for nearly all your top players at 8 and 9 ball within a short period though they would need a good 6 or so months to get there breaks up to speed. as for the other games you mentioned i think you need knowledge at those games and that would take time but with time alot of snooker players would be great at these games too. already there cuing is more accurate then nearly all pool players, they just need to adjust to a slightly different delivery at pool
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Quentin if that is really you I played in the Mita World Masters back in the day. This was a long time ago but I am preety sure you were in the juniors. Dude come to the States for a couple of months and see how you like it. My challenge does not apply to you as you are a snooker. Shame you are out of the game, you hit em strong.
 
One only needs to take a look at Eurotour rangings. There are quite a few British players at the top, more than ever. They have either snooker or UK 8ball background.

Let's face it, UK is a strong pool force now.
Hundal, Majid, Peach, Appleton, Boyes - those 5 alone could take on current US Mosconi Cup team and pose a strong challenge. Mind you, just 9ball or 8ball, not other games.
There are also others like Gray (current #1 on Eurotour?) and Hill (very strong at IPT events).
 
Here ya go JCIN .. "Action challenge International "
100K of his own pay up for grabs...

No rush to put it together... QH isnt going back to snooker for at least 7 more years :D
 
jay helfert said:
I would call Mika and Manalo champions. They both play at the highest level in Pool. How well they played Snooker I don't know. Peach must have started out quite young in Snooker.

You make a good point. Why would a Snooker champion take a pay cut to play Pool? Only Steve Davis seriously went after major titles in both.
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I didn't check but Peach would have to be close to my age(35) because I plyaed in dozens of pro-ams when I was playing full time and he was one of the guys who was always there. Ronnie is about 3 or 4 years younger than me and he was at most of them too. I played about 18 months before going back to Northern Ireland but there was hundreds of guys like Peach who signed up to the pros and played in those crazy qualifiers in Blackpool. I didn't think I was good enough to make a living at the game(I quit full time at 20 having won 3 National Junior titles and a bunch of pro-ams). I know now I made the right decision because I saw a lot of guys who were my speed spend the next severals years scraping by. You can put Corr and Fisher into this bunch too. Jay I teel you one of my biggest regrets is not taking up pool when I moved to the states. I came over here when I was 24 and didn't lift a cue for about 4 years because there was no snooker over here. Now I am married with 2 kids and my wife and I have very hectic careers so I guess my chance has gone. I have never given pool any effort at all. Jay my name is Ray Doherty and if you are in town for the expo maybe you can get away for a couple of hours and I will play you this challenge or some cheap games on the snooker table. If you know Bob Maidof he knows me pretty well. He sat and watched me set the break record on his snooker table.
 
This dude can play!

chamillionare said:
my name is Quinten Hann any pool player wants some of this just reply.
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Hi Quinten,

I remember reading about you and following your matches on-line during the IPT events you played in. As I remember you were kicking some serious butt playing 8-Ball. I don't think many people realize that this game you're offering is a trap for them: You play 8-Ball at least as good as any of them....but the real killer is that you would just murder any of them at snooker. I remember your won/lost percentage being exceptional at IPT. The only person who might make this match-up exciting IMO would be Marlon Manalo (but I'm not really sure how good he was at snooker....I just know he played it). Good luck to you.

Kind Regards,
 
hi quintenn

you know you keep saying snooker players have so much more accurate strokes blah,blah. in snooker you have to learn one game one strategy in pool ive learned to play 8ball,9ball,10ball,rotation,banks,1hole14.1,backpocket9ball etc.furthermore in pool you have to pocket the ball and play massive spin shape etc.i have much respect for snooker as it would take just as long to be world class at say real pool like 14.1 or snooker.but you snooker players talk like well if i felt like it i would be the best pool player in the world there is just no money in it. i got news for you ive run centuries at snooker on a 6by12 and ive only played it a few times with a pool cue.i understand you think 9ball is easy and you right it kind of is compared to snooker or even 14.1.if you want to play me 1000 point game of 14.1 you could have the rest of you life to practice and i would still rob you.just like you would rob me at snooker no matter how long i played. also i promise you i can run a 147 at snooker before you run 403 at 14.1 .thats my high at 14.1.anyway ive seen you play and how you act and for the record efren is so much classier and more talented than you or me its not even funny.have a nice day
 
john schmidt said:
you know you keep saying snooker players have so much more accurate strokes blah,blah. in snooker you have to learn one game one strategy in pool ive learned to play 8ball,9ball,10ball,rotation,banks,1hole14.1,backpocket9ball etc.furthermore in pool you have to pocket the ball and play massive spin shape etc.i have much respect for snooker as it would take just as long to be world class at say real pool like 14.1 or snooker.but you snooker players talk like well if i felt like it i would be the best pool player in the world there is just no money in it. i got news for you ive run centuries at snooker on a 6by12 and ive only played it a few times with a pool cue.i understand you think 9ball is easy and you right it kind of is compared to snooker or even 14.1.if you want to play me 1000 point game of 14.1 you could have the rest of you life to practice and i would still rob you.just like you would rob me at snooker no matter how long i played. also i promise you i can run a 147 at snooker before you run 403 at 14.1 .thats my high at 14.1.anyway ive seen you play and how you act and for the record efren is so much classier and more talented than you or me its not even funny.have a nice day
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YEAHHH BOOOYYYYY!!!!
Get some o' that.... JS spot 'em 50 in a race to 150 14.1 and he spots you 50 on a snooker frame....then tie break ( IF needed) with some 8 ball ... sounds fair.....right? :cool:


I put the quote from JS in bold b/c that carries ALOT of weight in this conversation.... for those that dont know, look it up....
 
9_Ball_King said:
but I'm not really sure how good he was at snooker....I just know he played it
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IIRC, he was a top 16 snooker player a few years back, maybe top 12. One of the few, if not the only, highly-ranked snooker players to use an open break during professional competition :eek: I believe he is currently serving out a multi-year ban from professional snooker due to allegations of throwing a match in a tournament, which is a shame because he is a very entertaining player to watch. Highly talented, but highly unpredictable, at times Hann seemed to be about as likely to get into a fistfight as to post a century in a particular frame. He was the definitely the undisputed "bad boy" of professional snooker for a while.

I personally would be shocked if anyone took him up on his proposition, because, while he may not be currently playing professional snooker, I think it's safe to assume that he has not hung his cue up altogether, and is still probably a lock to win against anyone who does not play the game at a very competitive professional level. He has also proven that he doesn't have to lose to anybody at 8-ball. If I were a betting man, I'd bet that Mr. Hann's money is safe. :)

Good rolls,

Aaron
 
raybo147 said:
I didn't check but Peach would have to be close to my age(35) because I plyaed in dozens of pro-ams when I was playing full time and he was one of the guys who was always there. Ronnie is about 3 or 4 years younger than me and he was at most of them too. I played about 18 months before going back to Northern Ireland but there was hundreds of guys like Peach who signed up to the pros and played in those crazy qualifiers in Blackpool. I didn't think I was good enough to make a living at the game(I quit full time at 20 having won 3 National Junior titles and a bunch of pro-ams). I know now I made the right decision because I saw a lot of guys who were my speed spend the next severals years scraping by. You can put Corr and Fisher into this bunch too. Jay I teel you one of my biggest regrets is not taking up pool when I moved to the states. I came over here when I was 24 and didn't lift a cue for about 4 years because there was no snooker over here. Now I am married with 2 kids and my wife and I have very hectic careers so I guess my chance has gone. I have never given pool any effort at all. Jay my name is Ray Doherty and if you are in town for the expo maybe you can get away for a couple of hours and I will play you this challenge or some cheap games on the snooker table. If you know Bob Maidof he knows me pretty well. He sat and watched me set the break record on his snooker table.
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Thanks Ray but I won't be playing any snooker challenges anytime soon. I can't even spell snooker. The only snooker I ever played was on the American ten footers, and that was either Liability, Pay Ball or Golf.

You're right, Peach is 35. I think I remember seeing your name in some snooker events. Doherty is very familiar. Or was that Ken? Any relation?
 
chamillionare said:
personally i think they top 10 ish snooker players are so one dimensional or mentally so focosed and trained for snooker that you would get better american pool players from snooker players ranked a little bit back from anywhere from 300 upto 10 in the rankings would make the transition very easily if they wanted to. but there is not point as the money is not there
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This is something I've said many times in the past about the elite snooker players (that their mental focus and training in snooker could actually hinder them from really tackling American pool). So, I feel somewhat vindicated. I would however question why that wouldn't be the same for the lower rankings? Since they grew up playing snooker, it would seem their training and mental focus would likewise be locked into snooker. Or are you saying that since there might not be that end-of-the-rainbow for them in snooker, that they can "unlock" themselves from snooker? That would make sense. Specifically, any shot that might be a considered a power shot, these particular players had problems holding technique and form.

For a factual observation, the early years of World Team Billiards showed teams from England and Ireland, made up of previously lower tiered snooker professionals. They were announced with pool titles, giving everyone watching the notion that they had been playing American pool for longer than a few years, albeit not against the world's best (at the time, the Americans, Filipinos, then the Germans made the top three countries). Bottom line, the teams made up of former snooker professionals were easily the worst. I still have some videos.

I think players with a background in snooker hoping to become anything in American pool needs to envelope themselves in American pool, playing against the best. Does anyone disagree to this? It's not simply a transition from a snooker table to a pool table. I think World Team Billiards showed this, but many of today's players weren't around to see it happening.

Fred
 
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jay helfert said:
Thanks Ray but I won't be playing any snooker challenges anytime soon. I can't even spell snooker. The only snooker I ever played was on the American ten footers, and that was either Liability, Pay Ball or Golf.

You're right, Peach is 35. I think I remember seeing your name in some snooker events. Doherty is very familiar. Or was that Ken? Any relation?
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Ken is a far better player than me. Doherty is a common name in Ireland and we are not related. I have played him on several occasions but that was back when he was in Islington before he turned pro. If you are talking to Karen or Allison ask them about those days. Also Tony Crosby was around then too.
 
john schmidt said:
you know you keep saying snooker players have so much more accurate strokes blah,blah. in snooker you have to learn one game one strategy in pool ive learned to play 8ball,9ball,10ball,rotation,banks,1hole14.1,backpocket9ball etc.furthermore in pool you have to pocket the ball and play massive spin shape etc.i have much respect for snooker as it would take just as long to be world class at say real pool like 14.1 or snooker.but you snooker players talk like well if i felt like it i would be the best pool player in the world there is just no money in it. i got news for you ive run centuries at snooker on a 6by12 and ive only played it a few times with a pool cue.i understand you think 9ball is easy and you right it kind of is compared to snooker or even 14.1.if you want to play me 1000 point game of 14.1 you could have the rest of you life to practice and i would still rob you.just like you would rob me at snooker no matter how long i played. also i promise you i can run a 147 at snooker before you run 403 at 14.1 .thats my high at 14.1.anyway ive seen you play and how you act and for the record efren is so much classier and more talented than you or me its not even funny.have a nice day
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John I have seen you play a couple of times and you are a fantastic player, much better than I will ever be at pool. But it is not my job. I have only played straight pool 3 times in my life and the last time was at Rackem up at Frazer. We were drinking and my opponent lost count but I ran 6 or 7 racks. Once I figured out that I had had to have back up break balls and how hard to go into the rack it really didn't seem all that tough. As I have said before I have never put any time into pool, the last tournament I played in was in 2003, but I know how straight I used to hit the ball when I used to play snooker full time and to think that running these big numbers would be impossible for me in straight pool, I disagree. When Stephen Hendry played his challenge against Mizerak he practiced straight pool for 1 day, ran over 200 balls, drilled Mizerak and then never played it again. You don't think he could run 400 with a lifetime to practice?
 
hi raybo

as i just mentioned in my pm to you i was talking to quintenn hann not you.but for the record it would take a lifetime for you or quintenn or hendry to run 400 at 14.1 if ever.and if you think i believe hendry played 14.1 for one day and ran over 200 like you said i say yeah right.he or you or any other of you snooker gifts to the cue world can play me 14.1 for a month straight and ill show you how easy it is.i dont come on here and say if i played snooker in a short time i could do anything you guys can.you know why because im realistic and know that it would take a lifetime of practice.but you snooker players talk like anything us poolplayers have done would be a hanger for you guys .i mean give me a break please.
 
john schmidt said:
as i just mentioned in my pm to you i was talking to quintenn hann not you.but for the record it would take a lifetime for you or quintenn or hendry to run 400 at 14.1 if ever.and if you think i believe hendry played 14.1 for one day and ran over 200 like you said i say yeah right.he or you or any other of you snooker gifts to the cue world can play me 14.1 for a month straight and ill show you how easy it is.i dont come on here and say if i played snooker in a short time i could do anything you guys can.you know why because im realistic and know that it would take a lifetime of practice.but you snooker players talk like anything us poolplayers have done would be a hanger for you guys .i mean give me a break please.
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I am sorry John. I will not come on here anymore and tell anybody about stuff that snooker players did in the past. This forum is fun for me and I think it is great that players of your stature take the time to post on here. I do not want to say anything to annoy you in any way. I did not know who you were referring your post to, I just replied to it. Thats what happens in open forums. John my name is Ray Doherty and I am a snooker player who tried to make a living at the game and I was not good enough. You have achieved this in pool and I have all the respect in the world for you because I used to play 8 hours a day and I know how hard it is. Believe me I live in Valley Forge and I know how good pool players really are. Bob Maidof who also is a straight pool player is a good friend of mine
 
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