New Respect For Snooker Players.

Was it not Steve Davis who played Mizerak? from what I recall also, it was nowhere near a 200 ball run

regarding Mr Hann's proposal, it's really an empty challenge and he knows it, there is no absolutely no risk on his part as he wins the snooker portion hands down and has a decent shot at a pool game which is rarely played by professional pool players

a truly courageous challange would substitute 8 ball with either 9 ball, straights, or one pocket, and see who wins their respective discipline by a bigger margin
 
I think the 50 point spot in each game levels the field for both with a rack of eight ball as a tie breaker.................but only if you can fond away to keep the QH out of the side bets...........
 
Alright folks, for the snooker pool showdown:D

8-ball or 9-ball on a regulation snooker table

Snooker on a 9 foot pool table

No jump cues

Alternate break

Snooker on a 9 foot is like pool on a bar box - traffic problems and high pocket/rail ratio:D

Pool on a snooker table will take away many shots that can be used reliably on a pool table, and slop will not pocket balls.

Wouldn't this be a test of a player's adaptability?:D
 
smashmouth said:
Was it not Steve Davis who played Mizerak? from what I recall also, it was nowhere near a 200 ball run

regarding Mr Hann's proposal, it's really an empty challenge and he knows it, there is no absolutely no risk on his part as he wins the snooker portion hands down and has a decent shot at a pool game which is rarely played by professional pool players

a truly courageous challange would substitute 8 ball with either 9 ball, straights, or one pocket, and see who wins their respective discipline by a bigger margin
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Hendry played Mizerak a couple of years after Davis and when he was practicing before the match he was running racks but not keeping count. He ran around 15 racks which was our best guess. Not in the match, just warming up. There is no way to verify this so I probably should not have posted it.
 
I'm not going to come on here after the likes of John and co have spoken and try to say anything to contradict them. They are better players than I will ever be. That said, I feel that the initial point has somewhat been missed. I reread the initial post and to me the poster is impying that snooker is a better cueing game. That meaning that it is the game wherein stroke mechanics would play the biggest factor of all games billiards and pool.

Can anyone argue that? Honestly?

We had the debate on another forum once before as what was the harder game 8 ball or 9. I stated then, with regards to that debate, that each game requries a given skill set and if you have that skill set and not the other that decides which game is hardest for you. Within this debate I do not feel the original poster said that snooker is HARDER, simply that it is more of a cueists game related to mechanics.

One last name for the list of champions that can do both: Alex Pagulayan. He is a US Open Champion, a World Champion, and a Gold Medalist snooker player. He has incredible fundamentals and plays enough snooker that he could probably compete with the big boys.

I would, however, love to see Hendry catch the pool bug and hop on to 9 ball, 10 ball, and 14.1. I would love to see that! But that doesn't mean he has the mind for those games, I just mean he definitely has the mechanics and mental focus as well the ability to handle championship level pressure.

Just my 2 cents.
 
if Hendry ran 15 racks that is simply incredible

it would appear that Mr Hann believes in the higher skill level of snooker players over pool players

I'd be interested in knowing where he ranks three cushion players
 
Snooker puts a premium on ability. If you can't do it you can't do it. Pool games tend to put a premium on knowledge. It's that simple folks. Snooker is a young man's game. You can't learn the knowledge to be a good long potter, which is a fundamental requirement of a snooker player. The older you get the less you can do it. Those are the plain facts.

Boro Nut
 
hi

my point is this if say johnny archer played as much snooker instead of pool he would have been one of the snooker greats.the same goes for say quintenn hann .if he played as much pool instead of snooker he would be one of the pool greats.im not saying to be one of the best poolplayers is harder than being one of the best in snooker.but being one of the best snooker players is not harder than being one of the best poolplayers.any snooker or pool players that say one is harder to be world class at is just an egomaniac in my humble opinion.if i had played as much snooker as pool i would be running 147 instead of the equivalent of say 200 in 14.1.the same goes for hendry he would be running 400 at 14.1.we are all the best queists in the world just at different games.
 
john schmidt said:
my point is this if say johnny archer played as much snooker instead of pool he would have been one of the snooker greats.the same goes for say quintenn hann .if he played as much pool instead of snooker he would be one of the pool greats.im not saying to be one of the best poolplayers is harder than being one of the best in snooker.but being one of the best snooker players is not harder than being one of the best poolplayers.any snooker or pool players that say one is harder to be world class at is just an egomaniac in my humble opinion.if i had played as much snooker as pool i would be running 147 instead of the equivalent of say 200 in 14.1.the same goes for hendry he would be running 400 at 14.1.we are all the best queists in the world just at different games.
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Tap, tap, tap. I agree 100%.
 
john schmidt said:
my point is this if say johnny archer played as much snooker instead of pool he would have been one of the snooker greats.the same goes for say quintenn hann .if he played as much pool instead of snooker he would be one of the pool greats.im not saying to be one of the best poolplayers is harder than being one of the best in snooker.but being one of the best snooker players is not harder than being one of the best poolplayers.any snooker or pool players that say one is harder to be world class at is just an egomaniac in my humble opinion.if i had played as much snooker as pool i would be running 147 instead of the equivalent of say 200 in 14.1.the same goes for hendry he would be running 400 at 14.1.we are all the best queists in the world just at different games.
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John you are 100% correct. Anybody who flat out says snooker players are better than pool players just do not understand the differences between the 2 games. Hendry dosen't really reflect the average snooker pro. He is the greatest player of all time.
 
Ok I have an idea. Who holds the world record for a straight pool run on a snooker table with snooker balls? Just set up the 15 reds and off you go.
 
hard to argue . . .

Hard to argue with John, especially when he agrees with me! I have to agree with another poster that young eyes are a major advantage for long pots on a snooker table but I also have to point out that you have to make few if any long pots if you are playing well.

I have ran every red ball into one of the two bottom pockets which doesn't strain the eyes too bad. Set up on the seven to move uptable with that shot the last time you shoot it and as I mentioned earlier in this thread, there are bridge shots all the way back down the table. It is very possible to run out a snooker rack without ever taking a long shot and one major advantage of a snooker rack, once the red balls are gone and the final shot after, you are shooting the same "drill" you shoot every time you play snooker. You see those same six spot shots most games so in that respect it is an easier game than 14.1 where the balls are broken into a random pattern and of course there isn't the complication of a break ball and breaking off of pocketing that ball as you have to in 14.1. Snooker is slightly harder than pool but I have to emphasis slightly. Most champions could be a champion at either if they put their mind to it.

Hu



john schmidt said:
my point is this if say johnny archer played as much snooker instead of pool he would have been one of the snooker greats.the same goes for say quintenn hann .if he played as much pool instead of snooker he would be one of the pool greats.im not saying to be one of the best poolplayers is harder than being one of the best in snooker.but being one of the best snooker players is not harder than being one of the best poolplayers.any snooker or pool players that say one is harder to be world class at is just an egomaniac in my humble opinion.if i had played as much snooker as pool i would be running 147 instead of the equivalent of say 200 in 14.1.the same goes for hendry he would be running 400 at 14.1.we are all the best queists in the world just at different games.
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The game I probably miss more than any other is 10 ball using pool balls on a 12 foot snooker table. In far West Texas from the time I was 14 till I was about 18 we had a Sunday afternoon game with the same 5 players. We played pill pool (draw a number from 1 through 10) and that was your ball. All of us became quite proficient pool players and we all won and lost a lot of dollar bills over those 4 years. Sure wish I could find a game like that again, it was almost as much fun watching the rail birds as it was playing. It has been an interesting thread and have really enjoyed following the dicussion. Thanks a million for the players of this caliber to take the time to share their thoughts, it has truely been a delight.

cheers------------BW
 
raybo147 said:
Ok I have an idea. Who holds the world record for a straight pool run on a snooker table with snooker balls? Just set up the 15 reds and off you go.
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Ok this thread has just invented a new game. I think we should call it Straight Snooker or Oh my God this game is so hard I am going to break my cue over the head of the next small weak person that walks into the room. Seriously what kind of runs do you guys think would be attainable and how much harder (or easier) do you think this game would be compared to straight pool on a pool table. I am going to try to give this a go at Rack-em up in Frazer pa over the next few days. If anybody wants to play some let me know
 
smashmouth said:
Was it not Steve Davis who played Mizerak? from what I recall also, it was nowhere near a 200 ball run
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I"ve never heard of Stephen Hendry with any big run against the Miz. Steve Davis had a run in the 70s versus the Miz in the first Snooker/Pool Shootout. I believe they played three or five frames, with Mizerak winning all but one (the one Davis ran a 70+).

Likewise, the Miz only took one frame of snooker running ~60 break using his Balabushka.

Fred
 
Cornerman said:
I"ve never heard of Stephen Hendry with any big run against the Miz. Steve Davis had a run in the 70s versus the Miz in the first Snooker/Pool Shootout. I believe they played three or five frames, with Mizerak winning all but one (the one Davis ran a 70+).

Likewise, the Miz only took one frame of snooker running ~60 break using his Balabushka.

Fred
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Please read the older posts
 
I am glad that this thread has inspired such a lengthy conversation.

I agree with John that he, Archer and others could be great snooker players.

Hey John there is actual money in snooker.

I would love to see John Schmidt train for about 2 years and invade the snooker scene.

I wish someone would back John in such an enterprise. I think he could hang.
 
mnorwood said:
... I agree with John that he, Archer and others could be great snooker players. ...
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I think they are both too old at this point to start snooker. Look up Judd Trump who at 14 had a 147 in a tournament. Also, they'd get tired of the boiled beef and soggy peas and be home in a month.
 
mnorwood said:
I am glad that this thread has inspired such a lengthy conversation.

I agree with John that he, Archer and others could be great snooker players.

Hey John there is actual money in snooker.

I would love to see John Schmidt train for about 2 years and invade the snooker scene.

I wish someone would back John in such an enterprise. I think he could hang.
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Over in England they have the Pontins International Open Series. This is the ticket to the pro tour. Basically there is 8 tournaments that I think anyone can enter and at the end of it the top 8 (i think) players in the points get on the pro tour with the chance to qualify for the big TV tournaments and all the cash. Any jam up young pool player over here who wants to have a go (SVB?) would have to take this route. The problem is this means a lot of time in England and a huge expence with no real guarantees although a guy like SVB could probably play on the Euro Tour when he is over there. The reality is that anybody wanting to try this would have to have sponsorship and would really have to give up pool and immerse themself into snooker. The standard in these qualifiers is scary high but I would love to see someone from here try. Hey if you can hit a 70 you can take a game from anyone
 
ShootingArts said:
Hard to argue with John, especially when he agrees with me! I have to agree with another poster that young eyes are a major advantage for long pots on a snooker table but I also have to point out that you have to make few if any long pots if you are playing well.
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It's invariably the first shot of any break. You miss, you lose. It's every bit as crucial as the break in 9 ball.

When you first start playing with your mates it's a shootout to see who can score the most before you cock up, which you will. You know you are going to be left in among them when he misses again. But by the time you're playing even at town or county level every first shot is from the far end of the table. You will be 5 frames down if you are waiting for a ball over the pocket to start you off. You either take on the long pot or play safe. If you miss it's your opponent who's got all the dolly shots, and leaves you back at the wrong end once he's got a tidy lead. If you can't pot long pots on a snooker table you will never get a sniff, no matter how good you are around the black.

Boro Nut
 
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