Nice box cue almost ready

I've seen several knock off designs that are unsigned by the maker???... still wondering what that's all about.
 
what a joke

icon2 said:
talking code again, steve?
the buyer wanted the original cue . . .
the buyer ordered a similar cue . . .
the maker admits looking at the cue, because the buyer wanted something similar.
yet, you can't see any similarities!? :)

instead of making goofy insinuations, why don't you just spit it out, steve?
i don't drink alcohol or abuse drugs!?
maybe you need to get a some help with your vision?
course you post that you don't offer any input on your cue orders as far as design . . .
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Maybe I do need a little help with my vision.........

but then again maybe you need a little help with your split personality..
Oh well, I guess we all need something.

As per Jamie...the buyer wanted the Kikel?
which was very similar to a number of others, as are lots of cues
using some bits of designs that you have seen before in a cue on a building, in a book whats the difference as long as its not a direct exact copy.

This cue was nothing less than a great example of a beutifully designed cue...

Do us all a favor jeffy sell all your cues and disapear again...LOL
 
tikkler said:
Maybe I do need a little help with my vision.........
but then again maybe you need a little help with your split personality..
Oh well, I guess we all need something.
As per Jamie...the buyer wanted the Kikel?
which was very similar to a number of others, as are lots of cues
using some bits of designs that you have seen before in a cue on a building, in a book whats the difference as long as its not a direct exact copy.
This cue was nothing less than a great example of a beutifully designed cue...
Do us all a favor jeffy sell all your cues and disapear again...LOL
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name is jeff, steve.
you mean like you disappeared from the other forum?
that would be more your style. :)

dean & mr gracio please accept my apology for posting in this thread.
 
tikkler said:
Maybe I do need a little help with my vision.........

but then again maybe you need a little help with your split personality..
Oh well, I guess we all need something.

As per Jamie...the buyer wanted the Kikel?
which was very similar to a number of others, as are lots of cues
using some bits of designs that you have seen before in a cue on a building, in a book whats the difference as long as its not a direct exact copy.

This cue was nothing less than a great example of a beutifully designed cue...

Do us all a favor jeffy sell all your cues and disapear again...LOL
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Let it go man! For someone who likes the cue AND Scott Gracio, you're kinda ruining this thread which was about his fine work.
 
I see something I like I buy it!

The buyer is always right. Sellers are at their mercy. Steve and Dean are most mercyfull. Ask any builder they choose to grace with their business.
Either of them can produce a cue out of their collection that will be worth more than most collectors entire collection or car.
This has never stopped them from being respectful and treating everyone with dignity. We could all do well by learning from them.

Nick :)
 
icon2 said:
name is jeff, steve.
you mean like you disappeared from the other forum?
that would be more your style. :)

dean & mr gracio please accept my apology for posting in this thread.
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you talking about me leaving JIMBOs site.......as usual you know nothing about what happened. Nor will you ever, but that seems to be your style when spouting all your comments
 
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icon2 said:
. . . not if you and deanoc keep commissioning knock offs, of other makers work.

there is a terrible lack of originality in cue design!
a lot of it can be traced back to the buyers, but the makers can't plead ignorance.

that is an attractive cue, but i personally wouldn't take much pride in something so similar in design, to another maker/buyers design efforts.
. . . as a maker, or a buyer.
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Do you build cues? It's not like its a Verl Horn passing as a Bushka, not like they are going to pawn it off as a Kikel, so who cares. The guy picked a design and another did a great job of producing it. Go drink some of this your stinking up the place bro!

Grey Ghost
 

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I hate to have to correct Nick Serdula's comments concerning my collection and the value of it. I only have about 6 cues,and the one worth more than a car only relates to my car,not that the cue is very expensive but my car is old and cheap.

Nick is a dear friend but I must admit his opinions about my wealth or lack thereof are off.I might have made some loose statement in the pool room when I was matching up a game,and as you know the strict bounds of fiduciary responsibility are often transgressed,abilities may be slightly exagerated and..well you guys know pool as well as I do.

It has occured that I have sometimes used hyperbole in my descriptions and I freely confess I might have done something like that in Nicks presence,but then again maybe I didn't.

All fooling aside this kid Gracio is one great talent and he can relly make a cuestick,if you are less than pleased with this box cue,blame it on me.

DEAN
 
I need haterine!!!!!!!!!!

And a dispenser. And Dean it wouldn't take a 4K cue to pass for what I was talking about. You never did any talking except with your Q. And you did some sweet talking!
Greyghost rep to you!
Nick :)
 
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Thecoats said:
You know what they say Jamie, imitation is the highest form of flattery. I think when a customer designs a cue for a cue builder to make it is not really up to the cue maker to decide if it is too similar to another cue makers design. However if a cue maker was building cues and then trying to sell them to anyone who will buy that are extremely similar to other cue maker designs it borders on design stealing. In Bryan's defense it is kind of hard to build a wrapless merry widow using beautiful woods and it not look similar to a Sugartree cue, aside from the micro ring work, I think most of Eric's cues are not really unique in design just beauitful woods masterfully crafted. A lot of people built wrapless cues very similar to the one's Eric built but he took it to the next level with the woods and playability.

I am currently having Randy Mobley build me a cue that I hope to be an exact copy of the below Joss West but I want the playability of a newer style cue rather than just buying a 30 year old cue, do you think that is out of line? However, I still might buy the cue like this that is currently for sale, just because I love that design and it is looking like a hell of a deal.

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I agree with you and Mr. Gracio. He is only building what the customer wants. The cues I love and enjoy are copies of Balabushka's but I dont hear anyone griping about that. I check the "For Sale" section everyday to look at various designs and see if there is anything new I might would want one day. Right now my favorite designs are the Bushka diamond cues and Judd's JT1 Ebony/BEM.

Like me others dont want to wait that long for Judd to build a cue and others might have their own cuemaker they'd rather have but Judd's design. A cuemaker would be NUTS to turn down a design that looks like another if thats what the customer wanted. I could understand people being mad if Mr. Gracio was mass producing this style, or claiming this is his OWN design and its like no other. I dont see either in this thread so I say congrats to deanoc on a nice looking cue and congrats to Mr. Gracio for putting a nice one out there.:thumbup:

I'm sure if we all looked, we'd find many cues copied over and over by even the so called "top" cuemakers out there.:eek:
 
mia said:
I'm not sure it is being denied. I just think that there are enough differences to set them apart from one another.

Like I said earlier... I happen to like the Gracio a bit better (JMO) as I'm sure Dean does. So what's wrong with the idea of taking someone else's design and improving on it? To me, that's called progress which I always thought was a positive thing.
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My thoughts exactly. I honestly think everyone copies in a way when they have a custom built. I'd say 99.9% or more use designs or wood combos or ring designs they've SEEN before and instill that into their cue to be made.
 
lenoxmjs said:
but I wish he would have used some of that talant and come up with his own unique design as Dave did.
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Ummm I think deanoc is the one that wanted the design not Mr. Gracio. Why would we come up with his "own" design when thats not what the customer wants?? He is only building what the customer wants like I think most to all cuemakers would.

BTW I'm like most here and think the Gracio looks better than the Kikel for sure.
 
Congratulations to Scott on a beautiful cue,many of you have said such nice things about Scott and his cues,I was saddened to hear his wife is experiencing medical problems and trips to the hospital,we all know what that can do to finances as well

Scott is making such wonderful cue that I suggest that you do yourself a favor and get one of these cues while they are still available without astronomical waiting periods
I ordered another one yesterday and he is working on a 150% original design of mine that I have wanted for years.

AS a favor to Scott and to you cue buyers I am extending my offer to anyone buying one of his new cues for the first time,if you call Scott and order any new custom cue I will send Scott an ivory joint to him for you free .This will save you the high cost of the Ivory joint and at the same time provide ECONOMIC STIMULUS to the house of Gracio during these days

Feel free to contact me as soon as you order and remind Scott that the Ivory is on the way.

Dean
 
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