NO Match for Harriman/Schmidt

Its absolutely not against their vows. Maybe they consider themselves to be better than that and would rather stand down if they can rather than having anything to prove to anyone.

You don't see them on TV with Microphones stuck in their faces bragging about how though they are and whos butt they are going to kick next week.

You obviously are going to believe what you feel is correct and so will I.

Not much sense in going back and forth if you won't spend a little time researching Aikido instead of trying to argue a mute point on the forum with myself.

I know what I know and believe to be true. You haven;t had enuff time to do an honest search for anything as of yet because you're on AZ making posts. I have watched the majority of those videos many moons ago.
 
Any type of martial artist can be beat. I love both Aikido and Kenpo and have about 5yr of training between the two. Nobody is unbeatable. I also have a concealed carry permit. Much easier than fighting :grin:
 
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Any type of martial artist can be beat. I love both Aikido and Kenpo and have about 5yr of training between the two. Nobody is unbeatable. I also have a concealed carry permit. Much easier than fighting :grin:
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So which one of your legends would you put in the ring against whom?
 
DINNER'S SERVED!
bow your heads - i am thankful, that Mr Wilson, is ON VACATION, therefore

WE ALL HAVE A FREE PASS FOR THE DAY!


(get your asses in here - let's EAT!)
 
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So which one of your legends would you put in the ring against whom?
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I do like MMA as well. Can't say I've missed any fights in the last few years. Chuck Liddell, Keith Hackney, and Jeff Speakman as some well known Kenpo guys. As you know, Liddell done quite well in MMA but he was more of a knockout guy
 
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I do like MMA as well. Can't say I've missed any fights in the last few years. Chuck Liddell, Keith Hackney, and Jeff Speakman as some well known Kenpo guys. As you know, Liddell done quite well in MMA but he was more of a knockout guy
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I meant Aikido...who would you tip your hat to? Put them in the ring.
 
Seagal wasnt too tough with Gottis crew, lol.

A Movie Tough Guy Tells of a Shakedown That Wasn't Scripted
By WILLIAM GLABERSON
Published: February 12, 2003
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Steven Seagal, the taciturn martial arts star known for shooting, beating and throwing people in movies, testified in court yesterday that he had been the victim of an old-fashioned mob shakedown in a dark Brooklyn restaurant.

The man making the veiled threats, Mr. Seagal said, was Anthony Ciccone, who prosecutors say was a captain in the Gambino crime family.

Mr. Seagal told the jurors in Brooklyn federal court that Mr. Ciccone, who is known as Sonny, was obviously accustomed to getting respect. When Mr. Seagal's eyes drifted, he said, Mr. Ciccone took offense. ''Sonny explained to me,'' Mr. Seagal testified, ''that it would be better if I looked at him when I spoke.''

Clad in a chocolate-brown Mandarin silk jacket, dangly red bracelets, jeans and construction boots, Mr. Seagal struck a combative tone while testifying at the Mafia racketeering trial of Peter Gotti and six others, including Mr. Ciccone.

But Mr. Seagal never mentioned Mr. Gotti, and he did not acknowledge that he was ever afraid, saying instead that he was ''uncomfortable'' and ''increasingly uncomfortable'' as the scheme that the government calls extortion unfolded. He did say he was licensed to carry a gun, and took one to the 2001 meeting with Mr. Ciccone. ''In New York, I always carry a gun,'' he said.
Prosecutors say Mr. Ciccone demanded that Mr. Seagal pay as much as $3 million to resolve a bitter dispute that Mr. Seagal was having with his former best friend and longtime producer, Julius R. Nasso.

He told the jurors that after the dinner at the downtown Brooklyn restaurant Gage & Tollner, Mr. Nasso reinforced Mr. Seagal's understanding of the predicament he was in.

''If you would have said the wrong thing, they were going to kill you,'' he quoted Mr. Nasso as saying. Prosecutors charge that Mr. Nasso is a Gambino associate who called on mob ties to work out his problems with Mr. Seagal.

Lawyers for Mr. Nasso and Mr. Ciccone have said that Mr. Seagal broke off his production deal to make action movies with Mr. Nasso because a Tibetan Buddhist adviser had counseled against such films. Sounding utterly worldly, however, Mr. Seagal declared in court yesterday that ''that's the dumbest lie I've ever heard in my life.''

He said he broke up the partnership because Mr. Nasso was an abusive person who was using mood-elevating drugs and ''going into psychotic rages.''

Russell M. Gioiella, Mr. Nasso's lawyer, said outside of court that Mr. Seagal's account was full of fabrications and declared that his testimony was ''the pot calling the kettle black,'' but was not more specific. Mr. Nasso and a brother, Vincent, were also charged with extortion and are to be tried separately.

During a labored cross-examination, Mr. Ciccone's lawyer, George L. Santangelo, suggested that Mr. Ciccone was a friend to both Mr. Nasso and Mr. Seagal and was merely trying to mediate their dispute.

But Mr. Santangelo won few concessions. Mr. Seagal deflected many questions by declaring, ''I don't recall,'' and ''I have no idea.'' He suggested that as a celebrity, his command of details, like how much he has earned and the address of places where he has lived, was vague. He said he did not drive a car.

He fended off questions by declaring that he was ''not good with numbers,'' once even providing that answer when Mr. Santangelo inquired about the year in which an event occurred.

Most of Mr. Santangelo's shots seemed to ricochet. Had Mr. Seagal, he asked, once tried ''to set someone up in a compromising homosexual position?''

The action star, his hair hanging loose around his silk collar and not in his trademark ponytail, bellowed in response. Such questions were insane, he said twice.
 

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Petey, David mentioned starting a new thread so he doesn't derail this one. Pretty good of him to offer.

Or maybe, it is all against their vows or other excuse
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Do I denote a slight amount of sarchasm there Dave.

I'm sure that they don't take sacred vows. Maybe just an unwritten or taught understanding on how they conduct themselves, maybe in all aspects of life. After all, isn't that what martial Arts is about. Martial Arts Golden Rule and such.

Shaolin Monks. I'm pretty sure that they can handle themselves fairly well. Yet, you don't see them hanging around bars picking fights over the bar box.

The video that Shark linked was new to me and I would have to say, one of the best demonstrations that I have watched. Sure, the attacker comes slow. Watch any Martial Arts demo of any discipline and they all do the same.

But, speed up the attack and the response becomes faster as well. The faster the response, the possibility of injury becomes more and they probably don't want for that to happen.

I watched 2 Aikido vs MMA and one vs Muay Thai.

To be honest, I would have to say that I was expecting more ( a little disappointed) from the one (older) Aikido fighter. The second, vs Muay Thai, both Russian and the Aikido fared much better.

In all honesty, it did seem that all of those locks and moves were lost in the battle somehow. Still, I have witnessed it, well my elbows,wrists and shoulders did anyway so not going to budge much on my opinion of Aikido.

In both fights, once the Aikido was down and grappling, it appeared that they the upper hand.

Hey, when a farmer puts one of his dairy cows in a stall to get milk, is that a form of Mooey Tie.

I also would say that I have seen Kick Boxing live and always figured that it was pretty effective. Watching the Muay Thai and some of the others, I think it would rank as at least one of the best.

In that I mean, if you watch the graceful Katas of Kung Fu and some of the other Arts,
and then watch them in a fight situation, many of the moves seem to go out the window.

One thing to practice in a dojo and another to do it in a ring or the street.
So, that is why I believe that Muay Thai and similar arts are some of the most effective in real life situations. Its basic and raw at the dojo and doesn't have to differ on the street. What you see is what you get.

Not much difference watching MMA fighters in the ring or in a street fight.

Yeah, my brother wasn't overly impressed with Segal. Like I mentioned, he had a dojo in Japan, brought it over. Some of the traditional Masters didn't care for that much or the way it was presented and the way Steven did it. Maybe the way he presents Aikido in his movies. They feel that he has disrespected the Art. Made a bit of a mockery of it. Thats why he is in a certain amount of disfavor.

Yet, he is a Sheehan, a teachers teacher, and that didn't come from putting a quarter in a vending machine. So, no matter what peoples opinion may be, he still can be a bad a ss.

If you watch some of his demos, he is very effective but seems to lack a certain amount of finesse that you see in others. As in, the younger Master in the link that Shark provided for one.

When you watched the old cage fighters, when Gracey was involved, it was fairly boring. A few punches and kicks were presented and as soon as Gracey got them down, it was 30 minutes of grappling with Gracey having his opponents face in a scissor lock and their face in his crotch.

Could only take so much of that. It has improved a serious amount since then.
 
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Carlos and Helio may have brought life to the art of jiu-jitsu, but the best MMA fighter in the world ever is the now-retired Fedor who utilizes several MMA art forms. He's the Efren Reyes of the MMA world, IMO.



I hope you all had a great Thanksgiving yesterday. Ours was very special. :)
 
Yer right Jam.

Altho I like Bas Rutan, somewhat, has ever gotten in the ring with Fedor. I don't watch hardly any MMA.
Or does Bas just get paid to run his mouth.
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
Yer right Jam.

Altho I like Bas Rutan, somewhat, has ever gotten in the ring with Fedor. I don't watch hardly any MMA.
Or does Bas just get paid to run his mouth.
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What a character! :grin:

El Guapo is the Stu Ungar of the MMA world, and I like him. :yes:

One memorable fight I saw was with Bogdan Cristea. He was in a car accident and almost had his arm amputated, yet he came back to the MMA world. It's like he doesn't know what "submission" means. ;) Man, this guy has the heart of a lion ---> HERE.

BTW, Bogdan Cristea in some circles is thought to be one of the best in jiu-jitsu.

I provided documentary support to an MMA tour for a few years. I soon learned the strange terminology: rear rodeo mount, guillotine, fish hook, armbar, PRIDE. Oy vey!
 
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