Nude Avatars/BS
- Thread starter Island Drive
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BVal said:
A beautiful woman, like the front page shot of Jeanette last week is great, the crotch/ass shots of women...have their own special place on the net.
I'd turn em off, but I like Purdmans sooo much, gotta put up with the trash, thx for your post.
IsDr
Secaucus Fats said:
Too bad girls, they're all GAY!!!
It would be dishonest of me if I were to say that I do not enjoy looking at good looking women. Pornography has never been my cup of tea but a seductively dressed woman can turn my eye rather quickly. I just wanted to get that out of the way.......
As to members of this forum using provacative nude avatars and other videos and photos, I have to concede that I don't believe they should be allowed on this forum. Nudity and lewd poses are in the eye of the beholder but some people enjoy the notoriety of pushing the envelope.
In spite of my penchant for appreciating an attractive woman, I don't think members should say or do a lot of things, especially if we care about our sport as much as we say we do.
In the forum rules, some of this is stated rather clearly:
By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.
It is difficult for the moderators and the owner of this site to ride herd on every post and avatar.
The quickest way in my opinion of having a rule enforced is to report the offending item to the moderators. You can see all of the management of this site at: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showgroups.php
Then you may report any offending items. Sorry Mr. Wilson and others but Island Drive has a point and I support him and others who are trying to uphold the integrity of this site.
I would hope that members of this forum would voluntarily give up the posting and use of photos of women in provocative poses as well as the other type photos that are used to denigrate some women. All of this applies to photos of men as well. Our own personal humor should be kept in check by self discipline and a kind-reminder word from a friend.
In general, it is up to each one of us to determine what we will or will not tolerate. Sure, there are tools to remove avatars from viewing but some of the avatars are nice and interesting.
Those of you who are silent about any of these issues are part of the problem as well. So if you are not posting in this thread and you object to some of the things that have been brought up, your silence condones and in some cases approves what you see and read.
The main focus of this forum is about billiards and we should all keep that in mind, in spite of the fact that many of us use this forum as a respite and place to have fellowship with kindred spirits.
I can only hope that each of us will do our own part in speaking up for what we would like to see in this forum and that we will individually make the decision to do what's right for the AZ Billiards Forums.
JoeyA
As to members of this forum using provacative nude avatars and other videos and photos, I have to concede that I don't believe they should be allowed on this forum. Nudity and lewd poses are in the eye of the beholder but some people enjoy the notoriety of pushing the envelope.
In spite of my penchant for appreciating an attractive woman, I don't think members should say or do a lot of things, especially if we care about our sport as much as we say we do.
In the forum rules, some of this is stated rather clearly:
By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.
It is difficult for the moderators and the owner of this site to ride herd on every post and avatar.
The quickest way in my opinion of having a rule enforced is to report the offending item to the moderators. You can see all of the management of this site at: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showgroups.php
Then you may report any offending items. Sorry Mr. Wilson and others but Island Drive has a point and I support him and others who are trying to uphold the integrity of this site.
I would hope that members of this forum would voluntarily give up the posting and use of photos of women in provocative poses as well as the other type photos that are used to denigrate some women. All of this applies to photos of men as well. Our own personal humor should be kept in check by self discipline and a kind-reminder word from a friend.
In general, it is up to each one of us to determine what we will or will not tolerate. Sure, there are tools to remove avatars from viewing but some of the avatars are nice and interesting.
Those of you who are silent about any of these issues are part of the problem as well. So if you are not posting in this thread and you object to some of the things that have been brought up, your silence condones and in some cases approves what you see and read.
The main focus of this forum is about billiards and we should all keep that in mind, in spite of the fact that many of us use this forum as a respite and place to have fellowship with kindred spirits.
I can only hope that each of us will do our own part in speaking up for what we would like to see in this forum and that we will individually make the decision to do what's right for the AZ Billiards Forums.
JoeyA
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agree 100%
Joey,
With the same writing skills I could have written your post word for word. It expresses my thoughts exactly. I suspect I have posted into this old thread, I'm to lazy to go back through it and check this morning. In my opinion, avatars should be focused on pool or something concerning the person or their family. The near nude images even if on or at a pool table aren't focused on pool. I'm male, straight, and human which means that yes some I enjoy looking at. One that attracts perhaps the most comments I find least appealing. As a former photographer who still frequents photography boards every day I have found that big ones are the most critical thing for a model to have. Big expressive eyes that is!
Simply put, the avatars don't fit the forum and do nothing to advance AZB or pool. They do some damage even if it isn't major. Some people are offended enough to ignore the site and many can't view the forum from work sites that can surf the net there. When I worked for Entergy surfing the net at lunch was my business. However, if one of the sexist images in avatars, imbedded in messages, or in a signature was objected to by a coworker it could well have been a firing offense getting me out the door within a few hours. No appeal, no defense!
I turned off avatars for awhile. Missing JoeyA's is why I turned them back on. To sum up, I think the racy avatars should go. Not because they are horribly offensive to me although a few have been, but because they don't belong on a pool forum and are a negative for the site and the sport.
Hu
Joey,
With the same writing skills I could have written your post word for word. It expresses my thoughts exactly. I suspect I have posted into this old thread, I'm to lazy to go back through it and check this morning. In my opinion, avatars should be focused on pool or something concerning the person or their family. The near nude images even if on or at a pool table aren't focused on pool. I'm male, straight, and human which means that yes some I enjoy looking at. One that attracts perhaps the most comments I find least appealing. As a former photographer who still frequents photography boards every day I have found that big ones are the most critical thing for a model to have. Big expressive eyes that is!
Simply put, the avatars don't fit the forum and do nothing to advance AZB or pool. They do some damage even if it isn't major. Some people are offended enough to ignore the site and many can't view the forum from work sites that can surf the net there. When I worked for Entergy surfing the net at lunch was my business. However, if one of the sexist images in avatars, imbedded in messages, or in a signature was objected to by a coworker it could well have been a firing offense getting me out the door within a few hours. No appeal, no defense!
I turned off avatars for awhile. Missing JoeyA's is why I turned them back on. To sum up, I think the racy avatars should go. Not because they are horribly offensive to me although a few have been, but because they don't belong on a pool forum and are a negative for the site and the sport.
Hu
JoeyA said:
JoeyA said:
If you hadn't written that paragraph I would not be responding in this thread.
I do not have a problem with nudity or porn and enjoy it as much as the next guy, probably more.
As a good friend says, "there isn't a pair I wouldn't like to see at least once."With that said, I agree with you that this is not the place to display as you put it.
There are many other sites that we can visit to satisfy the need to view such things.
Steve
Sweet Marissa
www.Bella-Muse.com
It's no secret that I don't condone it. As a born again Christian, I find it offensive. As a female pool player, it is inappropriate for this site.JoeyA said:
This type of thing always cracks me up. I?m a mechanic, I read Hot Rod Magazine. About 8-10 yrs ago The Dec issue contained a calendar for the new year. You guessed it cars and women in bathing suits. An angry woman wrote a letter to the editor demanding Hot Rod return to its ?pure? roots and cease with the smut. Hot Rods pure roots made me smile. Every 1950?s issue of the mag had a special page called ?parts with appeal? ? a girl in a bathing suit holding HP parts. I guess even the wholesome 1950?s men enjoyed the female form just as much as I do?
Do I feel the need for a provocative woman for my avatar? No. My avatar is a pic of a drunken me on my birthday. Do I think the all the crazy avatars are necessary? No. Do I think every time I perform a search half of the thread results should be political NPR from the same polarized group that wages daily war on here? No. Is variety the spice of life. YES! Do I enjoy this site and all its quirks? YES!
Do I feel the need for a provocative woman for my avatar? No. My avatar is a pic of a drunken me on my birthday. Do I think the all the crazy avatars are necessary? No. Do I think every time I perform a search half of the thread results should be political NPR from the same polarized group that wages daily war on here? No. Is variety the spice of life. YES! Do I enjoy this site and all its quirks? YES!
If I was that woman, and I was offended... then I just wouldn't subscribe to or buy Hot Rod Magazine anymore. Because it's the nature of the magazine.MoonshineMattK said:
Things are different here. The answer to people that are "offended" (I hate that word) can not be "don't come here" if those things bother you. The fact is, it's in the rules of the site not to post things that are vulgar or sexual in nature. If it wasn't in the rules like that, then the "offended" people wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
This thread is the perfect example of why we can't change the image of pool as the public see's it. We want to cling on to what we believe is part of the fantasy of pool. Image is everything. Until we change ourselves and our image we will never attract the folks we would like to attract to our sport.
Island Drive said:
Okay, I'm not going to attack your position, because your previous post has some merit. However, look at your post above. We're talking about a small number of questionable avatars and you're saying that AZ does the following: "constantly show women in provacative poses" and "constantly look upon [women] like the cameras are rollin' all the time".
Clearly that is not the policy of AZ and it's rediculous to generalize the "personality" of the membership based on a small number of individuals' taste (or lack thereof).
It's obvious that you have strong opinions about the prevalence of sex in our public culture. I suspect that I would agree with you on many of them, but I strongly disagree with your projection of all of this evil onto AZ because of a few slightly racy pictures.
The easy solution for you and other parents who are concerned about the avatars is to simply turn them off. IMHO, the moderators have enough to do already, and their tolerance of certain avatars doesn't mean they are evil heathens who advocate the objectification of sex.
Respectfully,
Tom
Tom M said:
Send...more...skin.
enzo said:
Nudity in and of itself is not necessarily negative, but wouldn't you agree that there's a big difference between nudity on a European beach, with little kids running around bare-assed along with the occasional topless sunbather, and nudity in a strip bar? Certainly the difference is in eye of the beholder and in our response to the imagery, but most of us (especially children) would have dramatically different response to these two scenarios. Unfortunately, our American culture has indeed attached a very sexual bias to ANY nudity and I agree that this has it's roots in the Puritan (not true Christian) values.
It's understandable that you would equate repression and Puritan values with Christian values because sadly that's a stereotype that has some foundation. However, I invite you to expand your view and leave room for those of us Christians who are not repressed and who don't buy into the Puritan view.
(By the way, there is a very interesting and entertaining book on the topic called "The Rape of the American Puritan Ethic" by Allan Sherman. It's a political commentary about the so-called "sexual revolution" of the 60's, but it's written in an incredibly witty and hilarious way.)
It's been theorized that repression contributes to sexual dysfunction (usually by the political left), and it's also been theorized that sexual permissiveness is the cause (usually by the political right). I think it's dangerous to conclude either way without real, unbiased evidence. Sexual dysfunction has been around for millenia, long before the emergence of Puritan values. I'm not sure your last statement can be supported by any real evidence.
Tom
In my opinion, Avatars are meant for personal expression and doesn't really have to have anything to do with pool. Just like our choice of user names......it doesn't have to be our real names.... it's a chance for us to express our creative side.
Now, if posting a pic of a hot blonde with a set of 36D's is the extent of your creativity, then so be it. As long as it falls within the rules set by AZB. Just remember, people judge others by what the see. Perception is powerful, especially the initial one. That is why most people walk into a job interview with a suit and not a tight mini-skirt.
So, when you decide to post an avatar, it's best to decide whether or not you are putting your best foot forward.
Just my opinion.....
Now, if posting a pic of a hot blonde with a set of 36D's is the extent of your creativity, then so be it. As long as it falls within the rules set by AZB. Just remember, people judge others by what the see. Perception is powerful, especially the initial one. That is why most people walk into a job interview with a suit and not a tight mini-skirt.
So, when you decide to post an avatar, it's best to decide whether or not you are putting your best foot forward.
Just my opinion.....