Olympic Outrage and BCA let downs!
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Dang it, looks like I'm out
My pee is clean. I'm in, bay beeeee!
If cue sports do get into the Olympic Games, the format is liable to be a lot like the format of the cue sports competition in the World Games. The format would be determined by the WCBS which is the world governing body of cue sports that the IOC recognizes. Nine ball (or perhaps ten ball in the future) is unlikely to be eliminated since it is the only cue sports discipline in the current format that has a women's division.
I have to somewhat agree. It's hard to take something seriously as a sport, when one of the most recognized players of all time was a loud mouth fat ass.
This is an EXCELLENT point! We have one of the highest recognized female women in all of sports! She is the black widow Jeanette Lee! She stated several times during her Hall of Fame banquet a desire to help the sport that has been so great to her in anyway she can. But, I believe male chauvinism is keeping her from full filing her true potential and legacy to the sport.
Why isn't she a member of the World Pool Association executive board? Don't you think her presence during negotiations with the Olympic committee would be an asset? Don't you think a HIGH ranking female member on the World Pool Association would be looked at favorably!
The Mosconi Cup captain could be Jeanette Lee! Why not? She is the most recognized name in the entire cue sport industry. I just do not understand what is in the way of her fulfilling her destiny and legacy within the cue sports industry?
She has some health issues as we all seem to know and her window of opportunity to strike while the kettle is hot is shrinking with the decline of women's billiard coverage on ESPN. This industry is clamoring for a leader and I truly believe male chauvinistic thinking is keeping us from seeing the true industry leader and pioneer right in front of us.
KD
I think I read a few years back where the IOC had considered some kind of Cue Sport for an Olympic Demonstration Event and it was shot down in pretty short order. But I think it was included in the Pan American Games or America's Got Talent or some other minor competition. But that was several years ago
The last time I noticed an IOC policy on the subject, there were to be no more demonstration sports.
Cue sports are standard events in the World Games which are for those sports that are recognized by the IOC but not in the Olympic Games. They are held every four years between the Olympic Games. For more info:
http://www.theworldgames.org/
Billiard sports summary: http://www.theworldgames.org/the-sports/sports/precision-sports/billiard-sports
Wrong thread, Sorry.
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If cue sports were in the Olympics, we'd be lucky to get 10 minutes coverage anyway. Maybe 1 minute on the news if our country won a medal.
But the World and National Player's associations would own the players, to the point that all of them would have to be prepared to be random drug tested 24/7.
And good luck trying to run a non-sanctioned event anywhere and hope that someone with Olympic aspirations would turn up.
I've trained with and coached international level in Track & Field. The only ones who made any money were those who graduated into the bureaucracy. Very few track athletes make much money, and this is supposed to be the central Olympic sport. An attempt years ago to set up a professional athletics league for TV went bust as the bureaucrats forced most of the stars out of it, as he WPA tried to do when the IPT arrived. One day, something like the IPT might succeed, but an empowered bureaucracy will make it much less likely. Olympics is a sports killer, not a savior.
But the World and National Player's associations would own the players, to the point that all of them would have to be prepared to be random drug tested 24/7.
And good luck trying to run a non-sanctioned event anywhere and hope that someone with Olympic aspirations would turn up.
I've trained with and coached international level in Track & Field. The only ones who made any money were those who graduated into the bureaucracy. Very few track athletes make much money, and this is supposed to be the central Olympic sport. An attempt years ago to set up a professional athletics league for TV went bust as the bureaucrats forced most of the stars out of it, as he WPA tried to do when the IPT arrived. One day, something like the IPT might succeed, but an empowered bureaucracy will make it much less likely. Olympics is a sports killer, not a savior.
I have to agree. I am sure the hardcore bocce ball, shuffleboard, foosball, pin ball players are on their forums asking the same questions we are.
That post from 2004 had a combination of information that didn't go together. As a former WPA board member I'll try to break it down for you.
First: You should know that cue sports was accepted by the IOC as an Olympic sport back in 1996. So, for many, many years, we were an Olympic recognized sport and on a waiting list to be added to the Olympics. However, we just sat on that list, IMO because there was never a large enough sponsor to make the IOC a feasible offer to support us in the Olympics. They gave us other reasons, like there isn't enough room and they have to leave out certain sports. Money talks and no one went to bat for us to the extent that is needed for the Olympic Games.
The issue with the 2 player members needed for the BCA board concerned the BCA's qualification to remain as a member of the WPA in good standing. That problem was solved in 2007 with the formation of the BCA WPA Committee, which represents the interests of the players on the BCA Board.
The Pan American Games is another issue. We have been told that the Pan American Games will only recognize one governing body for all of the Americas. The CPB --- which is the Latin American and South American governing body, has requested that USA and Canada join their organization and recognize them as the governing body of the Americas. We countered that offer with an offer of shared representation for the sake of the Pan American Games. They refused. They want total control of governance and money and will not budge on that issue. That was as of 2 years ago. I don't know where things stand now but I would expect that they haven't changed.
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Thank you Fran that was a very informative post.
I am a little confused as to the BCA WPA committee
that the BCA formed.
Does that committee have two Pro Players on it as
the WPA said it should, or was the BCA able skirt that
stipulation by forming that committee?
As the BCA was against adding two Pro's if I'm
not mistaken.
I am a little confused as to the BCA WPA committee
that the BCA formed.
Does that committee have two Pro Players on it as
the WPA said it should, or was the BCA able skirt that
stipulation by forming that committee?
As the BCA was against adding two Pro's if I'm
not mistaken.
I hate to break this to you but snooker is the undisputed king of cue sports, especially in Asia. They just had a match a few months ago with more than 180 MILLION worldwide tv viewers. The Rose Bowl doesn't draw numbers like that. And yes, the snooker forum on here is pretty quiet, but that's because snooker has several other forums dedicated to it 100% whereas this is primarily a pool forum with a snooker sub forum.
If any cue sport gets into the Olympics it's most likely to be snooker.
Exactly, politics would supersede development.
Anyone who thinks Olympics would be a good thing for pool is a moron!
It's an outrage!!!! Aaaaarrrrrgggghhhhh!!!!!!
Oh wait, you want pool in the Olympics?
Hhmmmmm, yeah never mind about the outrage thing.
Oh wait, you want pool in the Olympics?
Hhmmmmm, yeah never mind about the outrage thing.
The WPA Committee is designed to have more than just two pro players. It is designed to have representatives of all of the recognized player associations in North America. Those reps were chosen by their respective player organizations to represent the interests of those organizations players.
Those groups represented were the juniors, wheelchair players, and men and women pros --- all for both the U.S. and Canada.
I don't know who are representing the various groups now. You'd have to ask the North American WPA rep for that info.
You may look at it as skirting the issue, however, I formed that Committee, and it is much stronger than any two players who would have a minority vote on the BCA board would have. What would two pros on the BCA board do for the Juniors, or for the Wheelchair players? What would they do for their own organizations with a minority vote?
We actually got work done on the BCA WPA Committee and for the first time in our history, we were all actually working together as a cohesive group, and contrary to popular belief, the BCA was listening.
FYI, this is my last response to you until you identify yourself and take responsibility for your posts. Nothing personal. It's just the right thing to do.
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