On Chuck Bobbitt...

I can't say anything about attesting to their character, but that damned Mendoza guy and Prince have both beaten me on the table.

Come to think of it, so has Roger.

Mike
 
I don't know Chuck personally and I don't think he is a bad person. With that said, he did a horrible thing. Writing bad checks is a huge crime. Chuck is a man and makes his own decisions. Nobody MADE him do any of these things. Apparently there were people saying he should cancel the tourney and others saying not to. HE chose to hold the tourney anyways knowing this could happen. He took the risk and now he is stuck. The choice he made to hold the tourney was the first of many bad decisions that led the way to where everything is now. I am not bashing the man - I am bashing the behavior.

BVal
 
Jimmy M. said:
The people who originally went into this venture with Chuck were not locals and are no longer in Arizona. I know that some people around Chuck, locals, suggested that he abandon ship when his partner did. Chuck wanted to do something for pool and wasn't hearing any of the "you should bail out now" talk.

I'm only responding to this now because it isn't fair to place blame on the entire Arizona pool community when none of us had anything to do with this event, other than to support it; some of us by putting up our entry fees to play, and some of us by other means.

As far as why people aren't rushing to his aid on the forum, I think I speak for most people here in Arizona when I said that many of us are completely shocked by this and don't quite know what to say. We're all worried of what this might mean for pool in this state and, at least in my own case, don't want to accidentally say, or do, something that could have negative consequences in the future. Given Chuck's history with pool here in Arizona, I never considered the possibility of the money not being there. He always seemed very straight-up to me and, had he not been able to cover the prize money, I would have thought he just wouldn't have held the event. I want to believe that he's going to pay everyone and, while I don't know him extremely well, I don't think he's the type to intentionally screw anyone. With that said, I also can't jump on here and say, with certainty, that I know everyone will get paid, or that I'm sure of Chuck's honesty throughout this ordeal. Jay and others have accused him some pretty serious stuff and, while I don't want to believe any of it, how can I, or others, be expected to get on here and proclaim that everything is roses when, in reality, only Chuck knows, for certain, what is going on right now?

You've had your differences with the entire pool community here in Arizona for quite some time. I admit that, for several years, I did too, and we have discussed those differences several times. However, the pool community here, as a whole, has really attempted to come together and promote higher level pool in in this state. It isn't fair for you to use this fiasco to target everyone who has worked to make pool better here in this state just because you have an issue with them. The idea that the people around Chuck duped him into holding this event is simply not true and, as I pointed out before, is quite the contrary.

Unfortunately, this whole thing looks really bad for AZ pool. Before all of this, I have been saying that Phoenix could become a hot-spot for pool because of the momentum it's been gaining here, and Chuck has been a major factor in building that momentum. Now, like the rest of us, I have no idea what kind of impact this is going to have on the positive direction that things have taken here over the past few years. I think all of us here want this to work out. We want to see the players get paid, and we want pool to continue to grow in this state. I think we're all keeping our fingers crossed, at this point.
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I thought the exact same thing when I read this post...

That bolded is a little known fact that most people on this board will have no clue about.......(Thus the green rep syndrom)

The rumer I heard was it all started because years ago he "asked" to be raised to a 10 rated player...(because he is a BCA instructor) and wanted to use the rating to promote his lessons business.

When they refused to raise him based on his skills and performance in tournaments is when he started down this vindictive path.

I have absolutly no ill will toward Roger, but I find it disturbing that he would attempt to create speculation toward other people that have nothing to with the situation...

I feel like this post had motives other than just to back Chuck's character.
 
yobagua said:
since this is a thread about atesting to someones character and the lack of it. Let me just say in my dealings with Watchez has always been upstanding and a pleasure even though I might have not agreed with him at times. I also would like to say I have a lot of gratitude to JAM for being a part of these boards. I hope some kind of peace can be brokered between the both of you. At least one of indifference.
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Thanks Yoba. We can agree to disagree (even though I hate that saying).

I actually like to listen to what JAM has to say & her perspective. Unfortunately, I think that 98% of the world is the same about money & this is just another sad instance that adds to this percentage. Also, unfortunately, JAM doesn't like to hear an opinion other than hers or what she considers hers (as she seems to like to use the possessive description when it comes to those around her) & treats every thing with unkind words and insults. She was upset earlier today when someone called her an idiot but look at the terms she throws my way. Makes it kind of hard to have an open forum when someone wants it closed.

If she thinks I am a nit, I wonder who she is comparing me to & where others fall on her scale.
 
i understand what both sides of this issue seem to be saying but I still cant get over 30k is owed and it was a 25k added event. Clearly that means that 5k of the player's entry fees were also removed from the event. Did Chuck not even put in $5 here? was the entire event an airball?
 
I would also like to thank JAM for this bit of negative rep she left me - for whatever that is worth.

You are rotten to the core, a disgrace to this forum.

So you can write a bad check or checks, not look someone in the eye and say the truth & God gets prayers but I am rotten to the core. Interesting.

Oh, and you can check - I have never left JAM negative rep. In fact, I have left her positive.
 
I also liked Chuck and that is one reason that I agreed to come over and help him run this event. We had many conversations on the phone about everything to do with the tournament, in the weeks leading up to it. At no time did he indicate any problems with his finances. In fact he presented himself as quite solvent and very capable of handling all expenses (which we discussed in detail), which would arise.

Bottom line for me is that Chuck is a grown man and he was aware at all times what he was doing. No one forced him to say or do anything against his will. He made a choice to go ahead with this event and moved forward accordingly. He also made a choice when he wrote those checks and handed them to six of us. Good intentions do not forgive bad deeds in my mind.

I have much more empathy for Johnny Archer and his family, who I KNOW to be struggling with bills/debts at this time. He was grossly misled! I can say the same about Charlie Bryant who had to borrow money to pay his bills this month. Both these men had checks THEY wrote come back due to insufficient funds, which occurred because a deposit they made was returned NSF.

John Schmidt is disgusted as well. I spoke with him a couple of days ago. I haven't reached Mika and Mike yet. But I'm certain they are very displeased as well. My sympathies lie with these guys, not with the man who created distress in their lives. I'm sorry if my response bothers anyone on here. But as far as this regretful experience is concerned, my loyalties lie firmly with the players who have been wronged.

Only when I see something concrete being done to right this wrong, will I feel any differently. Too date, not one dime has been forthcoming to repay these debts. All I've heard is one promise after another. And that gets old very quickly.

I want to add something to this. Chuck received fully paid entries from 60 players. That is 60 times $400 each for a total of $24,000.
In addition he collected all the money at the gate, which I estimate to be in excess of $10,000 easily. And there were may raffle tickets sold on a Diamond table that was awarded on Sunday. He did pay out approx. $15,000 to the bottom positions in the pay scale on Saturday. Where the rest of the money went, I have no idea. You do the math!
 
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JAM said:
Man, I wish he had listened to those who told him not to go through with it, but he got egged on by his so-called friends. Some friends. Where are they now?
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Who egged him on? His friends, at least the ones that I know from the pool world who seem to be the closest to him, suggested that he bail out months ago.

I'm not sure who the so-called friends are that pushed him into this. I do know of one person, that I don't really care to name (and he doesn't live in AZ anyway), that was supposed to be Chuck's partner in this venture. He bailed out months ago, and that's when some people suggested that Chuck do the same.

I obviously like Chuck, and feel he has done a lot for pool, and I also believe that he had nothing but good intentions with this tournament. However, I don't want to perpetuate the false idea that there were a bunch of people here, sitting around like vultures, egging Chuck on to hold the event.

Sure, all of us were excited to have a big event like this here in Arizona and, once it became obvious that Chuck was definitely going to follow through with it, we all supported it. I'm not sure what else we could have done. In all honesty, I wasn't sure that I even wanted to play because I hadn't been practicing much and didn't feel prepared, however, I felt like I had to play to support Chuck, especially with all he's done for pool here; not the least of which is title sponsor the Desert Classic Tour.
 
AzHousePro said:
I can't say anything about attesting to their character, but that damned Mendoza guy and Prince have both beaten me on the table.

Come to think of it, so has Roger.

Mike
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Mike, pretty much everyone has beaten you on the table. I'm not really sure what your point is? You make it sound like a great achievement :)
 
BVal said:
I don't know Chuck personally and I don't think he is a bad person. With that said, he did a horrible thing. Writing bad checks is a huge crime. Chuck is a man and makes his own decisions. Nobody MADE him do any of these things. Apparently there were people saying he should cancel the tourney and others saying not to. HE chose to hold the tourney anyways knowing this could happen. He took the risk and now he is stuck. The choice he made to hold the tourney was the first of many bad decisions that led the way to where everything is now. I am not bashing the man - I am bashing the behavior.

BVal
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My personal speculation is that things started going downhill...Some bad decisions (with good intentions) were made...but these decisions led him to a "point of no return"...

Had he canceld the event...People would be bashing him for that and the "expenses" etc, etc etc. etc. etc.

I think he was in a no-win situation...and although not a happy moment currently...still has an "opportunity" to at least be a decent ending for the masses...(if people eventually get paid)

The other option he had of "cutting and running"....I don't see that there wouold have been any opportunities for recovery from loss of expenses on players part.

(Just my speculation though)
 
jay helfert said:
I also liked Chuck and that is one reason that I agreed to come over and help him run this event. We had many conversations on the phone about everything to do with the tournament, in the weeks leading up to it. At no time did he indicate any problems with his finances. In fact he presented himself as quite solvent and very capable of handling all expenses (which we discussed in detail), which would arise.

Bottom line for me is that Chuck is a grown man and he was aware at all times what he was doing. No one forced him to say or do anything against his will. He made a choice to go ahead with this event and moved forward accordingly. He also made a choice when he wrote those checks and handed them to six of us. Good intentions do not forgive bad deeds in my mind.

I have much more empathy for Johnny Archer and his family, who I KNOW to be struggling with bills/debts at this time. He was grossly misled! I can say the same about Charlie Bryant who had to borrow money to pay his bills this month. Both these men had checks THEY wrote come back due to insufficient funds, which occurred because a deposit they made was returned NSF.

John Schmidt is disgusted as well. I spoke with him a couple of days ago. I haven't reached Mika and Mike yet. But I'm certain they are very displeased as well. My sympathies lie with these guys, not with the man who created distress in their lives. I'm sorry if my response bothers anyone on here. But as far as this regretful experience is concerned, my loyalties lie firmly with the players who have been wronged.

Only when I see something concrete being done to right this wrong, will I feel any differently. Too date, not one dime has been forthcoming to repay these debts. All I've heard is one promise after another. And that gets old very quickly.
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You don't need to apologize for anything Jay. imo.

BVal
 
BRKNRUN said:
My personal speculation is that things started going downhill...Some bad decisions (with good intentions) were made...but these decisions led him to a "point of no return"...

Had he canceld the event...People would be bashing him for that and the "expenses" etc, etc etc. etc. etc.

I think he was in a no-win situation...and although not a happy moment currently...still has an "opportunity" to at least be a decent ending for the masses...(if people eventually get paid)

The other option he had of "cutting and running"....I don't see that there wouold have been any opportunities for recovery from loss of expenses on players part.

(Just my speculation though)
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I believe he had the opportunity to bail out months ago when his partner did, so the moment he decided not to is when everything started going downhill. In my opinion, that was the defining decision that led this to where it is.

BVal
 
Wow, now that is brutal. Where is that "ban" button at?

:)

Mike

bfdlad said:
Mike, pretty much everyone has beaten you on the table. I'm not really sure what your point is? You make it sound like a great achievement :)
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jay helfert said:
I also liked Chuck and that is one reason that I agreed to come over and help him run this event. We had many conversations on the phone about everything to do with the tournament, in the weeks leading up to it. At no time did he indicate any problems with his finances. In fact he presented himself as quite solvent and very capable of handling all expenses (which we discussed in detail), which would arise.

Bottom line for me is that Chuck is a grown man and he was aware at all times what he was doing. No one forced him to say or do anything against his will. He made a choice to go ahead with this event and moved forward accordingly. He also made a choice when he wrote those checks and handed them to six of us. Good intentions do not forgive bad deeds in my mind.

I have much more empathy for Johnny Archer and his family, who I KNOW to be struggling with bills/debts at this time. He was grossly misled! I can say the same about Charlie Bryant who had to borrow money to pay his bills this month. Both these men had checks THEY wrote come back due to insufficient funds, which occurred because a deposit they made was returned NSF.

John Schmidt is disgusted as well. I spoke with him a couple of days ago. I haven't reached Mika and Mike yet. But I'm certain they are very displeased as well. My sympathies lie with these guys, not with the man who created distress in their lives. I'm sorry if my response bothers anyone on here. But as far as this regretful experience is concerned, my loyalties lie firmly with the players who have been wronged.

Only when I see something concrete being done to right this wrong, will I feel any differently. Too date, not one dime has been forthcoming to repay these debts. All I've heard is one promise after another. And that gets old very quickly.

I want to add something to this. Chuck received fully paid entries from 60 players. That is 60 times $400 each for a total of $24,000.
In addition he collected all the money at the gate, which I estimate to be in excess of $10,000 easily. And there were may raffle tickets sold on a Diamond table that was awarded on Sunday. He did pay out approx. $15,000 to the bottom positions in the pay scale on Saturday. Where the rest of the money went, I have no idea. You do the math!
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Jay I love what you are trying to do but Please leave the players financial situations out of this forum please.
 
AzHousePro said:
Wow, now that is brutal. Where is that "ban" button at?

:)

Mike
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I know my name can go on the list of "beat Mike on the table" :D:D

Please keep it off the ban list though.

Thanks,

BVal
 
AzHousePro said:
Wow, now that is brutal. Where is that "ban" button at?

:)

Mike
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I'd just delete him and all of his posts from the database. A "ban" isn't a harsh enough punishment, imo.
 
BVal said:
I believe he had the opportunity to bail out months ago when his partner did, so the moment he decided not to is when everything started going downhill. In my opinion, that was the defining decision that led this to where it is.

BVal
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I agree FULLY.......

I am sure you have heard the term "brain drop"

I believe that is what happend to Chuck in this case....Not in the true sense of what brain drop means, but in the sense that he let his heart make decisions for him instead of his brain.
 
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