Easier said than done. Fine line. 1p matching-up is an art itself.
one pocket adjustment
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Garz
and alpa
always the two of you are spot on
I just put a little opinion on the thread
after all the years I platyed ,never the best player,always getting weight
and knowing guys like Ronnie,Verl,jersey Red,I learned a little about matching up
but never did improve my pocketing or stroking skill
i think it takes a lot of heart to match up, discuss various options and stick to you guns
I doubt we will figure it out on one thread
and alpa
always the two of you are spot on
I just put a little opinion on the thread
after all the years I platyed ,never the best player,always getting weight
and knowing guys like Ronnie,Verl,jersey Red,I learned a little about matching up
but never did improve my pocketing or stroking skill
i think it takes a lot of heart to match up, discuss various options and stick to you guns
I doubt we will figure it out on one thread
Yeah, not sticking to your guns will cost you. A guy wanted 9-6 last night. I didn't like it. I told him 9-7 or no action. He said he'd take 9-7 if he could also get the breaks. I said hell no. Then a friend of mine came over and said he'd cover half the bet, and that I still had a lock giving the guy 9-6. I gave in, and I couldn't win. I didn't like 9-6 but did it anyway. Not sticking to my guns cost me $200, which isn't a lot of money, but it sucks coming out on the losing end of what I knew was a bad bet from the beginning. All too often a one ball difference is a big deal.
I liked the days when I was on the receiving end of getting weight, knowing what I needed to win and trying to negotiate something just a little better than that. Being on the giving end is a bit trickier.
It's a tradeoff, alright. I think it's (a little) better to make an occasional charity ball for my opponent than to not know whose break it is, so I like to break for the same pocket (the right one, preferably).
pj
chgo
good info already
You have good info already so I'm just adding an opinion to what others have said well already. Adding a ball on top is a lot less than taking away a ball on bottom when you are at 9-7. If he can only make a few balls you are probably safe at 9-6 but he is going to put a little heat on you. 10-7 isn't enough different from 9-7 that it is likely to affect the outcome. If you really want to put some heat on yourself and the bet isn't too big try 10-6. That is a big jump and should make life interesting!
If you flip a coin over after each game or something else to keep up with the break you might try 10-6 your break, 10-7 his. I am assuming you are player A.
Hu
You have good info already so I'm just adding an opinion to what others have said well already. Adding a ball on top is a lot less than taking away a ball on bottom when you are at 9-7. If he can only make a few balls you are probably safe at 9-6 but he is going to put a little heat on you. 10-7 isn't enough different from 9-7 that it is likely to affect the outcome. If you really want to put some heat on yourself and the bet isn't too big try 10-6. That is a big jump and should make life interesting!
If you flip a coin over after each game or something else to keep up with the break you might try 10-6 your break, 10-7 his. I am assuming you are player A.
Hu
there is your answer
another ball is less important to the better player
one less ball can mean alot to the weaker player
I think that's the smallest adjustment of your choices. I'd rank them like this:
SMALLEST: 10-7
MIDDLE: 9-6
BIGGEST: 9-7 and the break
pj
chgo
I ask him.
The next adjustment is 9-6 if the other guy never wins and you truly want to adjust.
I was lucky enough to spend a few afternoons playing Steve "Cookie Monster" Cook. We also talked about this and that and one day I asked him about 1pocket spots and his philosophy basically boiled down to this: "It doesn't matter what you go to, it matters what the other guy is going to."
IOWs, the better player will always play better safeties, bank better, run more balls, and do all of that more consistently than the lesser player. So you can always up what you have to go (within reason) and still win.
So like I said, if you really want to give the other guy a fighting chance, the next adjustment is 9-6. If you want to keep clubbing the baby seal, then 10-7 will do just fine.
Lou Figueroa
I was lucky enough to spend a few afternoons playing Steve "Cookie Monster" Cook. We also talked about this and that and one day I asked him about 1pocket spots and his philosophy basically boiled down to this: "It doesn't matter what you go to, it matters what the other guy is going to."
IOWs, the better player will always play better safeties, bank better, run more balls, and do all of that more consistently than the lesser player. So you can always up what you have to go (within reason) and still win.
So like I said, if you really want to give the other guy a fighting chance, the next adjustment is 9-6. If you want to keep clubbing the baby seal, then 10-7 will do just fine.
Lou Figueroa
I think that's true to some extent because the longer the game goes on the better the position the stronger player will be able to establish. That means that 8-4 is more spot than 10-5 even though they are in the same ratio, and I think it is more than the 1 rating point shown in the table above which does not consider the psychological/strategic aspects.
Exactly. Well said Bob.
It also matters at what level the players are at.
It's a little different when it's between two accomplished players as opposed to two average room players.
Lou Figueroa
Matters what the bet is.
No weight for $5-20.
In the famous wordso f DuFunny, "Bet mo, get mo"
No weight for $5-20.
In the famous wordso f DuFunny, "Bet mo, get mo"
Thats the rule of thumb , never let the weaker player go to less balls.
Time is his worst enemy.
It's literally impossible to answer that question because we don't know "why" player B is losing.
Is it due to:
Lack of 1hole knowledge
Poor shot making
Impatience
Weak break
????????
Some of those weaknesses put a person in a losing position regardless of the spot.
Jeff