One Pocket Rule

cardiac kid

cardiac kid

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Hi Folks,

Another player in our room had this situation come up during a game. The players asked me for a ruling and I ruled as I understood the rules of the game. Another individual told me I was wrong far after the fact. Your comments please.

Player one breaks and the cue ball ends up hanging in his opponents pocket. The opponent then pushes the cue ball into the side of the pocket with the tip of his cue so it "freezes" onto the rail. The cue ball is now "corner hooked". My reaction was to call a foul (obvious). Another player told me the foul was intentional and the breaker should have been awarded the cue ball in hand behind the line. Not much of a one pocket player so what is the real ruling? Thanks in advance for your advice.

Lyn
 
I thought it was unsportsmanlike conduct/ loss of game.

That said, in a non-tourney environ, I'd just count the foul.

Might do the same right back. As Cardone says: if he didn't like it there last time, he won't enjoy in next time either.

cardiac kid said:
Hi Folks,

Another player in our room had this situation come up during a game. The players asked me for a ruling and I ruled as I understood the rules of the game. Another individual told me I was wrong far after the fact. Your comments please.

Player one breaks and the cue ball ends up hanging in his opponents pocket. The opponent then pushes the cue ball into the side of the pocket with the tip of his cue so it "freezes" onto the rail. The cue ball is now "corner hooked". My reaction was to call a foul (obvious). Another player told me the foul was intentional and the breaker should have been awarded the cue ball in hand behind the line. Not much of a one pocket player so what is the real ruling? Thanks in advance for your advice.

Lyn
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Foul but not loss of game. 3 fouls in a row is loss of game. Taking intentional fouls is part of one pocket strategy. Cue ball never gets moved unless it goes in a pocket/off table and maybe some other obscure instance. As far as "unsportsmanlike" that's a matter of opinion. Knowing intentional fouls are part of the game removes that connotation from this shot.
 
It's a foul. All breaker has to do is touch the ball with his tip or ferrule and not even move the ball. But what breaker does after first foul would be determined by layout of table.
 
shag_fu said:
Foul but not loss of game. 3 fouls in a row is loss of game. Taking intentional fouls is part of one pocket strategy. Cue ball never gets moved unless it goes in a pocket/off table and maybe some other obscure instance. As far as "unsportsmanlike" that's a matter of opinion. Knowing intentional fouls are part of the game removes that connotation from this shot.
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Intentional fouls are part of the game but not flagrant fouls where you pin the cueball with stick. This would be a loss of game where I come from. Same as a player trying to put whitey in the stack, realizes he is going to miss the stack actually picks the cueball up and places it where he initially intended. Flagrant and very unsportsmanlike - loss of game imo. Yes it has happened and the arguments start

Walter : The creep in that picture with Seattle Sam and Jenny did this to me. He didn't think I saw it, I did, he denied, I broke down my cue didn't need this kind of action. Needless to say he was desperate because I was puttin' a beat down on his low life assk :wink:
 
From onepocket.org

.... 6.6 Intentional fouls are an accepted part of One Pocket tactics as long as they are played by use of a legal stroke, such as by lightly touching the cue ball with the cue tip; by rolling the cue ball to a new location without regard for legal contact with either an object ball or a cushion; by pocket scratching the cue ball; or by using a legal jump technique to force the cue ball off the table. However, if the acting official rules that a player has used an illegal technique to direct the cue ball or any object balls to a more desirable location, then the incoming player has the option of either playing the balls where they lie, or requesting the official to restore all such moved balls to their location prior to the illegal maneuver. The offending player is charged the standard one ball foul penalty, and in addition may be further penalized at the discretion of the acting official under the general rules of unsportsmanlike conduct. ....

.... the question 1) was it an illegal stroke?.. then the incoming player could request the cue ball to be returned to its original position...

2)... unsportsmanlike would need to have this act defined as such prior to the match (highly unlikely unless in a tourny)..
 
You cant push the cue ball and pin it to the inside of the pocket,by holding your tip,securing the qball to the rail,this is a foul,with bih behind the line.
 
...this is a foul...

You cant push the cue ball and pin it to the inside of the pocket,by holding your tip,securing the qball to the rail,this is a foul,with bih behind the line.
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I can't find were a set of one pocket rules gives a player ball in hand behind the line for any reason other than the usual scratch or cue ball off table. Could you help and point me to where this is the documented rule (1 pkt org, BCA, etc...)? Thanks for help!
 
cardiac kid said:
Hi Folks,

Another player in our room had this situation come up during a game. The players asked me for a ruling and I ruled as I understood the rules of the game. Another individual told me I was wrong far after the fact. Your comments please.

Player one breaks and the cue ball ends up hanging in his opponents pocket. The opponent then pushes the cue ball into the side of the pocket with the tip of his cue so it "freezes" onto the rail. The cue ball is now "corner hooked". My reaction was to call a foul (obvious). Another player told me the foul was intentional and the breaker should have been awarded the cue ball in hand behind the line. Not much of a one pocket player so what is the real ruling? Thanks in advance for your advice.

Lyn
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You cant freeze the cue ball with the tip of the cue,its a foul and he has to replace the cue ball and shoot it again,he does not get cue ball in hand behind the head string. This situation arose with Piggy & Earl in their match .
 
Sieben said:
You cant freeze the cue ball with the tip of the cue,its a foul and he has to replace the cue ball and shoot it again,he does not get cue ball in hand behind the head string. This situation arose with Piggy & Earl in their match .
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Who played the "jam it" shot?
 
Bob Jewett said:
Who played the "jam it" shot?
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I think it was during the banks match they played, and Piggy pushed it into the rail. Earl complained, but at the end of the discussion, Piggy was charged just a foul and earl shot from there.
 
I'm pretty sure its a 1 ball penalty AND replacement option to incoming player. If you didn't rule it this way, at any time you are in a jam you could just walk the CB anywhere you want with your tip and take a 1 ball foul.....i don't think anyone would put up with that! :)

G.
 
nb92 said:
I can't find were a set of one pocket rules gives a player ball in hand behind the line for any reason other than the usual scratch or cue ball off table. Could you help and point me to where this is the documented rule (1 pkt org, BCA, etc...)? Thanks for help!
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Here you go:

The BCAPL rule book covers one pocket. The foul you described is specifically addressed and results in loss of point and BIH behind the head string:

5.12 Deliberately Trapping or Wedging the Cue Ball

It is a foul if you use an illegal stroke to deliberately attempt to trap or wedge the cue ball in the jaw of a pocket. In addition to the one ball penalty for a foul, your opponent receives ball in hand behind the head string.
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The rule can be found HERE on page 47.


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As noted previously, the rule at onepocket.org is 6.6:

6.6 Intentional fouls are an accepted part of One Pocket tactics as long as they are played by use of a legal stroke, such as by lightly touching the cue ball with the cue tip; by rolling the cue ball to a new location without regard for legal contact with either an object ball or a cushion; by pocket scratching the cue ball; or by using a legal jump technique to force the cue ball off the table. However, if the acting official rules that a player has used an illegal technique to direct the cue ball or any object balls to a more desirable location, then the incoming player has the option of either playing the balls where they lie, or requesting the official to restore all such moved balls to their location prior to the illegal maneuver. The offending player is charged the standard one ball foul penalty, and in addition may be further penalized at the discretion of the acting official under the general rules of unsportsmanlike conduct.
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So the remedy is different under BCAPL rules. While many might feel the onepocket.org rules would be the bible so to speak, I believe the US Open One Pocket Championship is held under BCAPL rules since it is put on by CSI.
 
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nb92 said:
I can't find were a set of one pocket rules gives a player ball in hand behind the line for any reason other than the usual scratch or cue ball off table. Could you help and point me to where this is the documented rule (1 pkt org, BCA, etc...)? Thanks for help!
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You r rite,its not in the rules book as i say,i should of said ,it depends on where you r playing when this happens(what part of the country)some play it is loss of game,in my home room in baltimore we play it is bih behind the line,plus a foul(minus 1ball),i think the best thing to do is to go over all the rules with your opponent,BECAUSE THEY DO VARY FROM TOWN TO TOWN,BUT I THINK THERE SHOULD BE 1 RULE BOOK FOR 1POCKET THAT NO MATTER WHERE YOU R PLAYING ,THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE SHOULD ABIDE BY,WEATHER IN THE SOUTH,NORTH, EAST OR WEST!
 
DogsPlayingPool said:
Here you go:

The BCAPL rule book covers one pocket. The foul you described is specifically addressed and results in loss of point and BIH behind the head string:



The rule can be found HERE on page 47.


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As noted previously, the rule at onepocket.org is 6.6:



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So the remedy is different under BCAPL rules. While many might feel the onepocket.org rules would be the bible so to speak, I believe the US Open One Pocket Championship is held under BCAPL rules since it is put on by CSI.
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wELL THANKS dOGS,IT WAS IN THE RULE BOOK AS I DESCRIBED!
 
darn it Dogs!.....you made too much sense and found the rule too quick man! Now there is nothing to argue about.....!


Tastes great!
 
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