How am I a hustler exactly ? Putting up all the money and working for a month beforehand with no hope of making a profit equal to the investment ? I might be a sucker I give you that but I am the farthest thing from a hustler.
Open Offer to Danny Harriman and John Schmidt from TAR
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How am I a hustler exactly ? Putting up all the money and working for a month beforehand with no hope of making a profit equal to the investment ? I might be a sucker I give you that but I am the farthest thing from a hustler.
You hustle son...... But in the good, non-derogatory sense. You're out there hustling hard on making things happen or at least trying. Not sure if anyone in the industry hustles any harder than you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeRuYwh0be4
I appreciate your kind words about respecting my opinion, Mr. Corvette, but I stand behind my Dancing Monkey analogy, and here is why.
I'd relate to my personal experience, but it does not fit this scenario as much as a hypothetical would, so here goes. :smile:
Let's say Pool Player Mark, just picking a name out of the air, decides he can't hack it in the pool world anymore. He attended two, three, and four tournaments a month, got stiffed a few times by tournament promoters, never getting paid after he incurred huge expenses, and had no income, no backer, no stakehorse, no girlfriend, no wife to supplement monies coming in to support his pool career.
You being an astute businessman, Mr. Corvette, would realize, man, it's time to hang up the pool cue and get a friggin' job. :embarrassed2:
Pool Player Mark gets a job working in a city that doesn't have a pool room, but he landed a great way to make money sitting at a desk, 9 to 5, with health benefits. After taxes, he brings home about 600 a week, which ain't too shabby considering the cost of living where he lives is less than, say, the Big Apple or Los Angeles. He's making ends meet.
Lo and behold, he finds out that his presence is requested to make an appearance in Vegas to play pool in a 3-day challenge match, all expenses paid. Win or lose, he's going to pocket a quick dime. Not too shabby, when you consider that's about $333 a day for doing something he loves!
The only thing about it is that in order for him to earn $333 a day, a very handsome payday, he would have to give up his job with benefits, bringing home $600 a week. He would have to move to another town that has a pool table where he can practice daily to get in stroke. Otherwise, why go to Vegas and compete if you are not in stroke, right?
So Pool Player Mark has two choices: quit his day job with benefits, give up his residence, move to a new city and practice, and go to Vegas to pocket a sure thing of $333 a day for 3 days only, with a chance to win a one-time $5,000; or decline the handsome offer, stay where he's at, continue his day job with benefits, and bring home a sure thing of $600 a week, living happily and financially secure ever after.
Which would you do, Mr. Corvette? Dance like a monkey for the masses or look out for number one? Would you throw the dice and let it ride, hoping for the best, or would you continue your day job where you have a sure thing?
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Danny, thanks for your kind words. Be true to yourself.
You should not even fret what anybody else thinks on this forum about you playing in Vegas.
I totally empathize with your stance on not going. The reasons why are yours and nobody else's. I respect the fact that you are looking out for your well-being. After all, nobody else will.
In this pool world, if you get sick, grow old and can't run a rack anymore, or die, you will find out how many of these people in the pool world are your true friend. You would be extremely lucky if you could count them on one hand.
Always look out for number one, and that's you. Professional pool is a rich man's high. Until somebody can take a walk in the shoes of the American professional player and experience it, they may not totally understand the pitfallls. Best regards to you and yours always! :smile:
I appreciate your kind words about respecting my opinion, Mr. Corvette, but I stand behind my Dancing Monkey analogy, and here is why.
I'd relate to my personal experience, but it does not fit this scenario as much as a hypothetical would, so here goes. :smile:
Let's say Pool Player Mark, just picking a name out of the air, decides he can't hack it in the pool world anymore. He attended two, three, and four tournaments a month, got stiffed a few times by tournament promoters, never getting paid after he incurred huge expenses, and had no income, no backer, no stakehorse, no girlfriend, no wife to supplement monies coming in to support his pool career.
You being an astute businessman, Mr. Corvette, would realize, man, it's time to hang up the pool cue and get a friggin' job. :embarrassed2:
Pool Player Mark gets a job working in a city that doesn't have a pool room, but he landed a great way to make money sitting at a desk, 9 to 5, with health benefits. After taxes, he brings home about 600 a week, which ain't too shabby considering the cost of living where he lives is less than, say, the Big Apple or Los Angeles. He's making ends meet.
Lo and behold, he finds out that his presence is requested to make an appearance in Vegas to play pool in a 3-day challenge match, all expenses paid. Win or lose, he's going to pocket a quick dime. Not too shabby, when you consider that's about $333 a day for doing something he loves!
The only thing about it is that in order for him to earn $333 a day, a very handsome payday, he would have to give up his job with benefits, bringing home $600 a week. He would have to move to another town that has a pool table where he can practice daily to get in stroke. Otherwise, why go to Vegas and compete if you are not in stroke, right?
So Pool Player Mark has two choices: quit his day job with benefits, give up his residence, move to a new city and practice, and go to Vegas to pocket a sure thing of $333 a day for 3 days only, with a chance to win a one-time $5,000; or decline the handsome offer, stay where he's at, continue his day job with benefits, and bring home a sure thing of $600 a week, living happily and financially secure ever after.
Which would you do, Mr. Corvette? Dance like a monkey for the masses or look out for number one? Would you throw the dice and let it ride, hoping for the best, or would you continue your day job where you have a sure thing?
In that scenario, if pool player Mark absolutely cannot get time off from his job (maybe because he went to Derby City a few weeks back), then yes, he should keep his job and forego the opportunity.
However, this is not the case. Pool player Danny has stated in this thread that the reason he isn't playing is because pool player John was offered $2000 to appear in a previous proposed match up and he feels slighted (even though pool streamer Justin has stated that pool player Danny would have gotten the exact same appearance money had the match gone down since every TAR stream has given the exact same thing to each participant).
Given this information, and no reason to believe pool player Danny is having to give up another job to forego the opportunity, it is my opinion that turning the offer down is sheer stupidity.
I don't understand Danny's comment about not wanting to take a fight on short notice. It's not THAT short of notice - LOTS of time to whack some balls around and loosen up. It's not like he's busy hauling concrete wheel barrows on the side of I-40 with freezing rain beating on his head. He's been a pool player his entire life.
Sometimes, regardless of how you THINK you might do in a match, you gotta get up and get the F in there and see what you're made of. The only way to LOSE this match, is to not play at all.
Sometimes, regardless of how you THINK you might do in a match, you gotta get up and get the F in there and see what you're made of. The only way to LOSE this match, is to not play at all.
Greg Sullivan, a long time ago, generously offered Keith a hotel room at no charge if he came to the Derby. There were some events going on that Keith's presence would have complemented, like the Road Warriors gathering, if memory serves me correctly. Diana Hoppe also called us about this, as she was involved in the production of this event.
There was not one reason why Keith did not go; there were many which had to do with health, finances, et cetera, et cetera. It's kind of like traveling to a pool event and maybe, if you're lucky, winning 1- to $2,000 after expenses but giving up $10,000 in income.
Yes, that offer by Greg was genuine and really appreciated by Keith, but it just wasn't a good time in Keith's life to attend the DCC. Becuase he did not attend is hard for some to understand. I know why, but it's Keith's business and not the business of this forum.
In a way, though, I wish Keith had gone. I miss the Executive West venue.
We're hoping to go to Tunica if the stars line up right for us. I love the South, and this is one trip I really want to make. It won't be to make money, though, at least in my eyes. I already know there ain't no money in pool, even when you win. It will be a nice vacation where I cat meet and greet my pool friends and have a good time. In the end, that is all I want from pool anymore: a good time. It is not a lifestyle that I would wish on my worst enemy after seeing it up front and close.
your taking it the wrong way, i didnt mean it in a bad way :thumbup:
It was directed at everyone calling Danny names when Danny did nothing to them but turn down the match because he does not like the money. IMO this is not how the match will get put together and happen, it looks like there is no chance this will come together now and I hope there are 2 worthy guys to watch who will appreciate the opportunity because its a good one. Maybe Frost vs Bartram all around format, one pocket, banks and 10 ball. :thumbup:
That is Mitch Ellerman and Adam Smith, not Danny.
First of all I would like to thank Justin and TAR for attempting to get this match going and for all they do for pool. I appreciate it and will purchase this match or whatever match you put together like this.
I am not very knowledgeable in how having a backer works, but if Danny always had a backer for his matches with John, wasn't he always on a free roll? Maybe he wouldn't have gotten the $1000 if he lost, but wouldn't he have gotten the trip to Vegas and around $5000 if he won? I am just asking because I don't know. I think it's a fabulous offer and I would jump all over it if it were ever offered to me. Just a question.
Thanks
Andy
I am not very knowledgeable in how having a backer works, but if Danny always had a backer for his matches with John, wasn't he always on a free roll? Maybe he wouldn't have gotten the $1000 if he lost, but wouldn't he have gotten the trip to Vegas and around $5000 if he won? I am just asking because I don't know. I think it's a fabulous offer and I would jump all over it if it were ever offered to me. Just a question.
Thanks
Andy
Maybe he meant it in this definition:
An aggressively enterprising person; a go-getter.
I would agree with that. You have to be these days to make something work on either end.
Best of luck to TAR!
--Jeff
exactly what i meant
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looks like you're right, I went by the title mainly, but I did fast forward and thought I saw Danny playing.
ok, second edit ... I'm not sure if that's Danny or not. Not that it really matters unless someone was interested in watching the video and even if they are it's unwatchable because it's so choppy
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YOu are a madman! I like it.
And I am told that I have to use 120 vacation hours before 12.31.12 or I lose them. Hmmmmmm.
Let's get it on! Make it happen! I just want to actually be in the country when this goes down, that's why my window is June-July....