Open Offer to Danny Harriman and John Schmidt from TAR

[HouTexPlayer]

Since the match doesn't look like it's going to happen...it sure looks like "Justin knows exactly what he's doing."

A different approach might yield better results.

You are 100% correct sir! It's not like Justin has any experience at all putting together money matches or streamed events -I'm also pretty sure he's clueless when it comes to pool and pool players.

I'm sure that you can give him some great pointers from your years of extensive experience.

For further clarification please see: Sarcasm - "a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter jibe or taunt", usually conveyed through irony or understatement.

 

[Ghosst]

How about Shane and Orcullo? Ten Ball..... .... hijacking in progress.
ahhh my bad.....

Alpha Zulu Bravo squak 7-5-0-0

 

[nb92]

Strengths ...

God I wish I was as smart as people on the internet.

It's ok .. we all have our own unique strengths

 

[Dan Harriman]

Wow

So you think if John had accepted the extra $2000 to make the match happen back then they would have then gone to Danny and said "hey, John held out for an extra $2000 more than you did so even though you would have done it without the extra $2000 to be fair we are going to go ahead and give you an extra $2000 also so you are both getting the same amount"? I'm kind of doubting that. Like you said, it was only offered because John didn't want to play, and it took more $$ to convince him to. I'm sure they weren't going to pay it where they didn't have to (to Danny in that case). Not that there is anything wrong with that depending on your perspective, people get paid different amounts for the same services or goods all the time.

I think Danny's point is that if John was offered extra $ when he didn't want to play, but Danny isn't going to be offered the same thing when he doesn't want to play, then they are being treated very different. Again, happens all the time. I understand the sentiment though and it's a fair point. It is like when you coworker does the same job as you, has the same qualifications and does the same quality of work as you, but you find out they are earning a lot more than you are.

Of course it is always possible that Danny is actually willing to play for the $1000, and is just saying he doesn't want to play and holding out as an angle since he knows they were willing to pay extra in the past with John to make this very same match happen when he didn't want to play, and if they were willing to do it for John, then Danny is going to hold out for the same thing on principle and also to maximize his pay. And again, that happens all the time and depending on ones perspective there really isn't anything wrong with that either.

As I mentioned above though, all this holding out on principle, or not playing on pride, could backfire and cost a player a chance at a nice free payday, which even if it isn't as much as he would have wanted, is still pretty darn good and certainly better than he would otherwise likely to be earning in those same three days. Logic should be prevailing over pride and principle here though and they should both be jumping at the opportunity for free money. Offers like this don't just come along every day (or year, or decade...).

Well stated - but also a bit of a contradiction. Either way thanks for the post.

 

[Black-Balled]

What the heck is your deal? Justin knows exactly what he is doing!

...I am quite sure Justin knows more than you about promoting a match...not sure what you issue is with him but I can attest to the fact your shotty attitude won't fly here....


GOOD DAY!!!


Gary

And another possibility the offer was extended in a public fashion is that we are ALWAYS b.itching about the lack of transparancy (as though it were deserved!) in the pool world.

 

[Dan Harriman]

Thanks Rich (Underclocked)

IMHO, Danny should probably be left alone to live his life without the attacks. I believe Danny suffers from serious issues with paranoia and most of his outrageous statements and demands stem from those issues. He seems to feel that everyone is out to get him, to box him in or take advantage in some way. He believes he is the victim of cronyism in the pool world.

Some few of those thoughts of his may have actual basis in reality but I think he, for the most part, creates most of his own boxes and chooses to remain inside them. He really needs to seek some competent mental health assistance and try to break free of his demons. Anyone that has ever had to face such a situation or is close to someone that has suffered a mental illness surely knows how difficult life can be, especially with an illness that can be so well hidden or disguised. I personally know this very well.


I've known Danny since he was a teen and I believe his early exposure to too many on the seedy side of pool may have helped develop his current situation. But he needs to stop and take a look at how his behavior is affecting his own well being. Then do something to try to correct it. I hope he can.

And I would ask the forum members to please lay off Danny. He will see these comments and think the absolute worst of almost anything said. You are only driving him farther down into a dark mental tunnel. Just let the man live and deal with his problems without adding to them.

It's a bit blown out of porportion but I would agree - and thanks for your input - your a gentleman.

 

[PoolSharkAllen]

It's a bit blown out of porportion but I would agree - and thanks for your input - your a gentleman.

Danny, Let's see if we can salvage something out of this situation.

Are you still willing to play JS? If yes, what can Justin do to make this match happen (within reason)?

 

[JAM]

It's a bit blown out of porportion but I would agree - and thanks for your input - your a gentleman.

Danny, hold your head up high and don't even give this forum a second thought. No matter what you write on here, your words may end up getting dissected to mean whatever somebody wants them to mean, as opposed to your true intent. It's a lose-lose situation for a high-profile pool person like yourself, sad to say.

I wish you all the best in the future. Pool is a rich man's high. I know it, you know it, and so does everybody else who tries to compete professionally. If you like to eat and have a roof over your head, well, shooting pool ain't really a good avenue to take.

You are still young and can find the road in life that suits you. The sky is the limit. You can be whatever you want to be at your age. You can still shoot pool and have fun, but at least you won't have to rely on it for your future. Best of luck to you! :smile:

 

[Dan Harriman]

Yes I will still compete with him

The only idea I have is a counter offer from Justin, I was wrong about the $1000.00 being an insult - but it is not enough for me to relocate and prepare for this match. John once said here on this forum that his life gave mine the 7,8, 9. My question to Mr.400 would be - if this is true then why did he have to pull his jump cue move and name calling, in our last battle in order to try and anger me so he could have a chance at winning?
Just a thought

 

[Craig]

Ummm....not really. Just cause you don't see him often doesn't mean he misses much. He ran 180 on me not long ago (1 shot at a time, wasn't even trying) and won something like 20 straight games of 10-ball at a regional tour event.

I think if they played an all-around, Strickland would be an underdog....even now. Sigel doesn't have that "quit-stroke" in him like Strickland has. Sigel is a far smarter player... he'd prob have Earl talking to himself.

I agree with you......and Mike would just right out tell Earl to STFU.

 

[Wedge]

Counter Offer

The only idea I have is a counter offer from Justin, I was wrong about the $1000.00 being an insult - but it is not enough for me to relocate and prepare for this match. John once said here on this forum that his life gave mine the 7,8, 9. My question to Mr.400 would be - if this is true then why did he have to pull his jump cue move and name calling, in our last battle in order to try and anger me so he could have a chance at winning?
Just a thought

Danny, make a counter offer to Justin so he does not have to guess what you want.

Be Well and hope to see you at the Maryland 14.1 Championship as you are a 2 time back to back champion.

Wedge

 

[Black-Balled]

I agree with you......and Mike would just right out tell Earl to STFU.

Mike wouldn't stop talking long enough to tell Earl to stop talking.

 

[PoolSharkAllen]

Danny, make a counter offer to Justin so he does not have to guess what you want.

A counteroffer is exactly what I was thinking. I think you'll find that Justin is a reasonable and fair person to work with. The match date, prize fund distribution and other details can always be negotiated.

Try to be flexible and demonstrate a constructive attitude toward making the match happen.

 

[Ky Boy]

And another possibility the offer was extended in a public fashion is that we are ALWAYS b.itching about the lack of transparancy (as though it were deserved!) in the pool world.

my point exactly...a public offer to both players for the world to see!

Gary

 

[Ky Boy]

The only idea I have is a counter offer from Justin, I was wrong about the $1000.00 being an insult - but it is not enough for me to relocate and prepare for this match. John once said here on this forum that his life gave mine the 7,8, 9. My question to Mr.400 would be - if this is true then why did he have to pull his jump cue move and name calling, in our last battle in order to try and anger me so he could have a chance at winning?
Just a thought

Danny...you know how I feel about this match as I have made it known to you and John. I know that both of you want to win very badly and would make it a memorable match. I think it would be one that is talked about for ages...whatever you decide, best of luck to you and if you don't play, I hope John finds someone else to play an all-around format like is offered to you...

 

[TheMarsMan]

Hmm, maybe President Obama should appoint you to be the U.S. ambassador to Iran or North Korea? You can then apply your skills in putting matches together toward negotiating a resolution to the talks on nuclear disarmament.

Just as on the national and international stage, it's often better to do things "quietly" through diplomatic channels than try to resolve the issues through the press or in this case, on a discussion forum.

Since your approach apparently didn't work, maybe now you can tell us why you decided to issue your challenge to JS and DH on a discussion forum?

You are out of line and don't have a clue. Other than that nice post!

 

[JCIN]

Danny,
Concerning the $2,000 offer Justin made to John Schmidt, it is possible that Justin wanted to get one of you to agree to play before trying to get both of you to agree to play. If John had agreed to play, I have to think that Justin would have HAD TO OFFER YOU THE SAME DEAL. Sometimes, things that people say or do are taken out of context and maybe, just maybe, Justin was trying to get John to the table first.

While you may think Justin was making you play second fiddle, (and that may be true) the fact remains that if Justin made an offer of $2,000 to John, it only stands to reason that he would have to make you the same offer, BUT ONLY IF John agreed to play.

It might have sounded one-sided but it may only be that Justin never got past first base.

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NOW, John has already agreed to play this match with you.

In summary: You and John have the BEST RIVALRY in pool going for you right now (and that could change). You and John are two of the most talented pool players on the planet (right now). The world wants you two to play this match. In my heart of hearts, I believe that you want to play this match. It will give you a chance to prove the naysayers wrong and make $5,000 in the process.

Put this conspiracy theory money business behind you. Eliminate the inclination to stick the needle in John or Justin whether they deserve it or not. It's counter-productive, PERIOD. The same can be said for Justin and John.

Tell Justin how much time it will take for you to prepare (do this PRIVATELY) and see if he has a slot for the match to take place.

Best regards,
JoeyA

I explained the situation six or seven pages ago: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3511582&postcount=313

 

[JoeyA]

Alpha Zulu Bravo squak 7-5-0-0

lol............

 

[JoeyA]

I explained the situation six or seven pages ago: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3511582&postcount=313

Situations change..............

I'll be damned. I missed that post of yours. I thought I had read them all. LOL.

Danny this is for you: The door has been closed just n case you didn't read Justin's post above (like me) check it out. I think he's clear on not wanting to work with you.

 

[TheMarsMan]

Something that has bothered me on this thread is that Danny was offered $1,000 + expenses, etc...

This is incorrect thinking unless you are sure you are going to lose.

Both players were offered in prize money only the equivalent of $3,000, if both players play evenly.

If one player plays better and is a favorite to win 60% of the time, than his value of this offer would be 3,600 and the 40% player would be getting the equivalent of 2,400.

So unless Danny has less than a 33% chance of winning he is being offered more than the 2,000 that he mentioned previously.

The only way 1,000 is being offered is if you have a 0% chance of winning.

Another way to think of it if 6K was put up for the winner only and two people are even players each player is basically being offered 3,000 in value to play.