Open Offer to Danny Harriman and John Schmidt from TAR
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You must be out your mind fool. There may be one guy that can play him even in Houston but that's it. And you got no bidness trying to play him with the 8.
John,
Big Pusssy here, come on down and we can bust these fools.
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Schmitty don't want no more JJ...trust me
oneballeddie said:
Which part are you not following and I will try to clarify, although it was spelled out pretty clearly. Was there a certain spot that you got stuck at and no longer followed past? I was basically coming up with formats that would exactly use the $6000 prize fund, with each giving the winner and loser different amounts but always at least a minimum of $1000 to the loser per Justin's instructions. It may not much matter though because there is a "simpler" format that Justin is now considering using which will give the exact same payouts.
Hungarian Nut said:
Seven is still a few...
all right john thats the spirit glad it's back and good luck.
hud williams
hud williams
No, not really....
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Yes I am a person and no I don't know everything nor do I think I know everything.
Cool. Many people have a favorite charity but from the last PodCast it seemed that the goal was to find a way to not run a charity, control the terms (i.e. remove the backers from the equation) and establish a format benefitting both players (money for both)
Kevin Costner should play him in the movie....
My comment was about the comment that Mark's post was well done and not insulting in nature and an excellent example of how to communicate on the forum. I agree.
His post just happened to be in response to someone offering another type of challenge match between these two, which could impact the original match taking place. So.... I opined that being respectful to the entertainment you are trying to book is good business vs. someone expressing how they feel about one of the participants they wish to pay to see.
The promoter has a vested interest in getting two boxers in the ring. He is respectful to both and works with both. One boxer says NO not unless the other guy gets less money and the fan calls him a chicken... same thing.
I apologize for any perceived slight to Mark you might have read into my remarks. However, I truly don't understand how someone having a financial interest in something and someone stating that fact is seen as attacking or the fact of being on the business side of things is seen as evil in someway. I like capitalism, I am a capitalist. I like taking an idea turning it into something, creating value, realizing a profit. I REALLY LIKE THE PROFIT.
Bottom-line I agree with you and to paraphrase Lloyd Blankfein.... TAR and CSI are doing God's work.
Neal
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Yes I am a person and no I don't know everything nor do I think I know everything.
Cool. Many people have a favorite charity but from the last PodCast it seemed that the goal was to find a way to not run a charity, control the terms (i.e. remove the backers from the equation) and establish a format benefitting both players (money for both)
Kevin Costner should play him in the movie....
My comment was about the comment that Mark's post was well done and not insulting in nature and an excellent example of how to communicate on the forum. I agree.
His post just happened to be in response to someone offering another type of challenge match between these two, which could impact the original match taking place. So.... I opined that being respectful to the entertainment you are trying to book is good business vs. someone expressing how they feel about one of the participants they wish to pay to see.
The promoter has a vested interest in getting two boxers in the ring. He is respectful to both and works with both. One boxer says NO not unless the other guy gets less money and the fan calls him a chicken... same thing.
I apologize for any perceived slight to Mark you might have read into my remarks. However, I truly don't understand how someone having a financial interest in something and someone stating that fact is seen as attacking or the fact of being on the business side of things is seen as evil in someway. I like capitalism, I am a capitalist. I like taking an idea turning it into something, creating value, realizing a profit. I REALLY LIKE THE PROFIT.
Bottom-line I agree with you and to paraphrase Lloyd Blankfein.... TAR and CSI are doing God's work.
Neal
S.G.[/QUOTE]
When Shane played Efren 10 Ball at the Derby on TAR, I had to "give" Efren $1,000 to make the match happen. Shane wasn't given anything other than a chance to win.
Sometimes an incentive has to be given to one party to entice them to play. If Danny was really wanting to play and John needed a push I can see why he was offered $2,000. It doesn't mean that Danny wouldn't of also been given some money but since John turned it down it didn't make any sense to continue to negotiate with Danny. I think the cost of the plane ticket, hotel, etc... + 1,000 if he loses is more than John was offered in the previous match.
I would like to see this happen and I like TAR's new structure, I think it can make many more matches happen without a lot of the hassle. I also think TAR is taking a pretty large risk that they will get back enough money to make this a profitable venture. I wish them luck and promise to buy every PPV that they ever offer.
Sometimes an incentive has to be given to one party to entice them to play. If Danny was really wanting to play and John needed a push I can see why he was offered $2,000. It doesn't mean that Danny wouldn't of also been given some money but since John turned it down it didn't make any sense to continue to negotiate with Danny. I think the cost of the plane ticket, hotel, etc... + 1,000 if he loses is more than John was offered in the previous match.
I would like to see this happen and I like TAR's new structure, I think it can make many more matches happen without a lot of the hassle. I also think TAR is taking a pretty large risk that they will get back enough money to make this a profitable venture. I wish them luck and promise to buy every PPV that they ever offer.
TheMarsMan said:
So you think if John had accepted the extra $2000 to make the match happen back then they would have then gone to Danny and said "hey, John held out for an extra $2000 more than you did so even though you would have done it without the extra $2000 to be fair we are going to go ahead and give you an extra $2000 also so you are both getting the same amount"? I'm kind of doubting that. Like you said, it was only offered because John didn't want to play, and it took more $$ to convince him to. I'm sure they weren't going to pay it where they didn't have to (to Danny in that case). Not that there is anything wrong with that depending on your perspective, people get paid different amounts for the same services or goods all the time.
I think Danny's point is that if John was offered extra $ when he didn't want to play, but Danny isn't going to be offered the same thing when he doesn't want to play, then they are being treated very different. Again, happens all the time. I understand the sentiment though and it's a fair point. It is like when you coworker does the same job as you, has the same qualifications and does the same quality of work as you, but you find out they are earning a lot more than you are.
Of course it is always possible that Danny is actually willing to play for the $1000, and is just saying he doesn't want to play and holding out as an angle since he knows they were willing to pay extra in the past with John to make this very same match happen when he didn't want to play, and if they were willing to do it for John, then Danny is going to hold out for the same thing on principle and also to maximize his pay. And again, that happens all the time and depending on ones perspective there really isn't anything wrong with that either.
As I mentioned above though, all this holding out on principle, or not playing on pride, could backfire and cost a player a chance at a nice free payday, which even if it isn't as much as he would have wanted, is still pretty darn good and certainly better than he would otherwise likely to be earning in those same three days. Logic should be prevailing over pride and principle here though and they should both be jumping at the opportunity for free money. Offers like this don't just come along every day (or year, or decade...).
"Mr. Big stuff"
Cute.
Since day one of TAR whatever one player got paid as a fee the other player got the EXACT SAME AMOUNT. The $2000 fee I offered John would have been offered to you as well if he would have accepted. You see it takes two people to make a match and he just happened to be who I called first. Since he said no what was I supposed to do ? Call you and say "Danny I want to offer you $2000 to play a match that the opponent already turned down. KThanxBye" ? The idea of it is stupid.
As far as I am concerned you can take your paranoia and cute little nicknames and shove them up your ass. I'll be damned if I am going to work hard and take a big financial risk for someone with your attitude. There are plenty of players out there who deserve opportunities. I'll work with them. You don't ever have to worry about getting a dime from me.
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John Schmidt calls Danny Harriman
Justin, if the match happens, will Kevlar be provided?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SSWhEuWaRc
Justin, if the match happens, will Kevlar be provided?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SSWhEuWaRc
I want to clarify something about the situation John is talking about.
Efren's side wanted money to play up front. We didnt have any and I told John that so he did what he does and made it happen anyway by giving Efren a dime to get in the box. TAR didnt pay anything to Shane or Efren for that match because it took place literally on about four hours notice and the added fact we didnt have any to pay at the time.
That match is just one of many that wouldn't have happened without John being involved.
I'm over the whole Danny/John thing. Its obvious who wants to play and who wants to be drama queen.
My patience for hand holding and ego stroking has been worn thin over the years. I dont need to deal with a prima donna and listen to cute little snide remarks just to get a chance to outrun the nuts hoping everything goes perfect to make a small profit.
Exactly, I don't know how you can deal with this BS. Your offering a free expenses paid trip to Vegas and some money for the Blackjack table. What is not to like? But I wish you the best of luck with your future matches.
remember your the deal maker/middle man/ the real hustler in this. Stay strong because the week don't survive and don't accept failure because if you do, it will be your own fault and deep down you know this! You know you can get it done!
Justin you have way more patience than I do! I am sure there are plenty of other players that would jump at this opportunity, you are right to find players who appreciate that you are taking a risk to try and provide something great!
Iba
If anyone will pay to watch I will kick IBA's ass on TAR for the free roll at a legit casino buffet in vegas( would have to include prime rib) Good god all day and night we read of no action post bs and now someone said i'll pay ya to get up and play. Get the f up and play Danny and give Justin a reach around for the a f'n he is willing to risk on you to begin with. Thanks Tar for trying.
If anyone will pay to watch I will kick IBA's ass on TAR for the free roll at a legit casino buffet in vegas( would have to include prime rib) Good god all day and night we read of no action post bs and now someone said i'll pay ya to get up and play. Get the f up and play Danny and give Justin a reach around for the a f'n he is willing to risk on you to begin with. Thanks Tar for trying.