Opinions wanted

Jazz said:
So did you get Snowman's permission to disclose the maker?
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No I did not because the cuemaker was said already. What are you trying to keep secret? I don't understand the problem, Mr Brick made a mistake that no one caught (even him lol)and you all make Snowmon out to be the douchbag because he's the only one who bothered to lay a careful eye on it and noticed. The cue is what the cue is, the only thing I would try and figure out is how it made it out of his shop without mr brick noticing the problem. have a great evening:)
 
HouseMan said:
No I did not because the cuemaker was said already. What are you trying to keep secret? I don't understand the problem, Mr Brick made a mistake that no one caught (even him lol)and you all make Snowmon out to be the douchbag because he's the only one who bothered to lay a careful eye on it and noticed. The cue is what the cue is, the only thing I would try and figure out is how it made it out of his shop without mr brick noticing the problem. have a great evening:)
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Neither you nor I know the full story about the cue, cue maker, dealer, seller and buyer. It's all hearsay and there are going to be multiple version of the truth.

Who the frak is making Snowman out to be a douchbag? (i've done deals with him before so I'm cool like you). Many on this thread gave him great advice.

The seller of this cue offered full refund including shipping - what more could one ask as unsatisfied buyer?
 
HouseMan said:
you all make Snowmon out to be the douchbag


No one is making Snowman out to be a douchbag. He asked for opinions and the majority were divergent from his. No biggie----

In addition he has a viable option's to consider.

BTW, why ask a question if you already know the answer??

Have a great night
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This forum is like an f'ing sewing circle. There's less drama on daytime NBC.

While I think there's been a lot of sage advice in this thread from very reputable people...the end result proves that people need to think a little bit harder before they opt to air out their laundry in public.

God forbid Mr. Brick (if he is in deed the MC) make a mistake. God forbid he sell his cue at a significant discount. It should be noted that the seller of the cue...regardless of who had or didn't have knowledge of the flaw...offered to end it all and buy the cue back. End of story. The fate of the cue would no longer be the buyers issue. He'd have his loot...and that would be that. You buy the cue as is...it's not as advertised...seller is informed of such...you return the cue. Basic return policy. From there...with what I've read...I'm sure the seller can find any number of people in this forum who'd be MORE than happy to buy the cue in as-is condition for the same price...or he can deal with the CM himself. In my opinion this cue shows a human element. You have an actual example that cuemakers are human...not dietys (sp?). It's unique. I'd keep it. You spent a little less...you got a little less. Enjoy your cue or get rid of it. I don't suppose there's anyway to stop this freight train of a thread from going to 6-8 pages...if not more...but it shouldn't have to be so drawn out when a multitude of solutions are at hand.

I personally think the cue is gorgeous. If you can find another brand new cue like that...executed to within an 1/8th of an inch, new and unchalked, at that price...I suggest you buy THAT cue too.


Just my humble opinion. I'm sorry if this post steps on anyone's toes. I had to spend damn near an hour to read this entire thread...by the time I got to the end...I just couldn't contain myself. LOL
 
ribdoner said:
HouseMan said:
you all make Snowmon out to be the douchbag


No one is making Snowman out to be a douchbag. He asked for opinions and the majority were divergent from his. No biggie----

In addition he has a viable option's to consider.

BTW, why ask a question if you already know the answer??

Have a great night
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Adam,

The opinions may have been differing on this thread, but there were many opinions that were agreeable behind close doors....
The truth will set you free....;)

Dale
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as a cuemaker i know whats wrong with my cues. i look at that cue for hours before its complete so i doubt he missed this.

u have a few very good options. refund or as sean said ur into it right so if u love the cue get it fixed. ur still 400$ under cost.

as far as the cuemaker being a secret. the second that cue was released from the shop he should have known it would be talked about. goes twards quality of maker. i dont think this cue should have been released like this. i dont care who made the blank or what u have into it. bill mcdaniels has boxes of unfinished cues that he doesnt like
 
A smart man

This forum is like an f'ing sewing circle. There's less drama on daytime NBC.
Retail
Thanks for saying it!
Nick:)
 
My opinion only. Send the cue back and find another cue from a different company. I doubt very seriously that no-one knew this. A few people on this forem found problems with it by just seing pics of it. I have worked in the furniture business as well as billiard table sales. When something was obviously wrong the companies would patch it the best they could and sell it anyways hoping that knowone would find the flaw, or at least for a while anyways. Then the company could blame it on the customer some how.
The fact that the seller and builder is willing to refund it sayes something about their character. The fact that they sold and didn't catch the flaw does too. The fact that the builder wants an additional $250 raises great concern about character. Everyone makes mistakes, but not everyone makes you suffer a loss for their problem.
Return it and get a way from it while you still can. Tomorrow may be a different story.
 
Actually I think there could be a third option. You could sell the cue for a profit since you got it cheap and use the money to buy a new one.

IMO

Seller offer full refund. There is really nothing more to ask for here.

CM ask for a repair fee to fix a problem as he felt short changed by his friend whom he built the cue for cheaply but did not know that he was selling it even before he got it. Some friend there. But I think CM are only human. He was asking for what he think is fair.

Selling the cue for less due to a obvious defect? Sure. There is nothing wrong there as long as the buyer is aware of the defect. If he does not then he has every right to pursue a refund and that was offered to him.

I think there is nothing more here.
 
dave sutton said:
as a cuemaker i know whats wrong with my cues. i look at that cue for hours before its complete so i doubt he missed this.

u have a few very good options. refund or as sean said ur into it right so if u love the cue get it fixed. ur still 400$ under cost.

as far as the cuemaker being a secret. the second that cue was released from the shop he should have known it would be talked about. goes twards quality of maker. i dont think this cue should have been released like this. i dont care who made the blank or what u have into it. bill mcdaniels has boxes of unfinished cues that he doesnt like
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Dave,

Can you post pics of some cues you've made?

Does the MAKER cut his own inlay cavities or is that function delegated? What type of equipment is used? If you don't know the answers to those and other questions you DON't know what the MAKER knew.

Plse read post #19 and 70. Without going into detail there were extenuating circumstances with regards as to why this cue was shipped.

I've been doing business with Bill McDaniel since the 70's, how bout you?

best regards, adam
 
ribdoner said:
Dave,

Can you post pics of some cues you've made?

Does the MAKER cut his own inlay cavities or is that function delegated? What type of equipment is used? If you don't know the answers to those and other questions you DON't know what the MAKER knew.

Plse read post #19 and 70. Without going into detail there were extenuating circumstances with regards as to why this cue was shipped.

I've been doing business with Bill McDaniel since the 70's, how bout you?

best regards, adam
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After reading your posts...19 & 70...I don't understand how this thread made it TO a 70. I felt you were pretty straight forward with strong command of the English language. Either post should have been enough to bring resolution to the situation.
 
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Can the moderator please delete this thread. This is ridiculous.

Buyer not happy. Seller offers full refund. End of transaction.

Get rid of this thread. Its driving us all crazy..

Just my opinion. anyone else agree
 
ribdoner said:
Dave,

Can you post pics of some cues you've made?

Does the MAKER cut his own inlay cavities or is that function delegated? What type of equipment is used? If you don't know the answers to those and other questions you DON't know what the MAKER knew.

Plse read post #19 and 70. Without going into detail there were extenuating circumstances with regards as to why this cue was shipped.

I've been doing business with Bill McDaniel since the 70's, how bout you?

best regards, adam
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I know people who traded their Corvette for Bill's cues!!!
 
hangemhigh said:
I know people who traded their Corvette for Bill's cues!!!
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That was SOOOOOO much smarter than when I traded my fancy IV JTD G SZAM for a MEUCCI and an oz of gold:o


Last time I talked to TOMMY he's still got the VETTE:)
 
that spear placement is unacceptable, the builder's fault, and it should be free.

it should never have left the shop. cancel the purchase or fix for free. this error would drive me nuts and impossible to live with..
 
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I talked to the SELLER and it appears he and the BUYER have come to a resolution.

I'm sure the SELLER and/or BUYER will advise us of their decision.
 
All together now, to the tune from TV's Rawhide........

Box it up! Tape it shut! Send it out! Call 'em up! Let 'em know! Get your cash!.....RAWHIDE!!!!
 
pooltableproCP said:
All together now, to the tune from TV's Rawhide........

Box it up! Tape it shut! Send it out! Call 'em up! Let 'em know! Get your cash!.....RAWHIDE!!!!
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LOL! :)

I have another solution, I will pay $100 more than the buyer paid for this cue! The inlay work isn't perfect, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it. From the pictures it looks like a beautiful cue and with Sean, Jeremy and Nick all talking so highly about the cue I would like to add it to my collection.

How can someone complain when they are offered their entire money back + shipping? Can he still complain when he can make $100 profit? Probably!
 
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