Opinions...what would you have done?

runningracks said:
fun fun fun....

don't get better, don't care about pool.

fun fun fun....

have fun

have fun
have fun
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Is it more satisfying to you to win based on your play or based on a technicality foul by your opponent ? I'm not criticizing a decision to take the win. A win is a win. But for me, one type of win is more satisfying.

It has happened to me and I lost the game. Can't knock my opponent for it. I was more upset with myself. Regardless, I choose to tell my opponent if they have forgotten a rule.

I can get better at playing pool and I can get better at enforcing rules on my opponent. They are 2 different things.
 
ronscuba said:
Is it more satisfying to you to win based on your play or based on a technicality foul by your opponent ? I'm not criticizing a decision to take the win. A win is a win. But for me, one type of win is more satisfying.

It has happened to me and I lost the game. Can't knock my opponent for it. I was more upset with myself. Regardless, I choose to tell my opponent if they have forgotten a rule.

I can get better at playing pool and I can get better at enforcing rules on my opponent. They are 2 different things.
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I'll happily call a technicality to win a match for my team. When I'm playing for fun, I'll concede an easy 8. If I'm playing a single match and am outclassed by my opponent, I have no problem stepping away from the table.

On th'other hand, my team is counting on the win. I don't concede shots in team matches, because my sense of class and character don't figure into the fact that my team is competing with my opponent's team. I know my win/loss column isn't as important as the team's standing in the league. I call my own fouls, I call my teammates' fouls, and I call my opponents' fouls.
 
runningracks said:
fun fun fun....

don't get better, don't care about pool.

fun fun fun....

have fun

have fun
have fun
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I believe this discussion was about the APA. That league is generally about having fun. Playing well, getting better, and having fun DO go hand in hand.

On the subject....I would never call that a foul. It's chickenshit. I get it that it's the rules, I just don't care. If he made a nice shot to finish out the game and I clearly knew his intention before the shot then he gets the shot.

I played the APA one year and just laughed at the "marking" crap. No official marker, any marker works. Use whatever you want, but it's an official rule. I get that it's to avoid any confusion, but if there wasn't any confusion on this shot, then...

I know it's technically a win. You can be a winner at this game, in this one match that we are really just playing for fun, but you're now a *****. You're a chickenshit little weezle that would try to win on a technicality in a friendly game of pool. You could have spoken up before the shot, but you let me shoot it in the obvious pocket and now you get the win. That's the way I'd see it, and I'd accept it graciously as my mistake, but I wouldn't play with you again.
 
I'll happily call a technicality to win a match for my team. When I'm playing for fun, I'll concede an easy 8. If I'm playing a single match and am outclassed by my opponent, I have no problem stepping away from the table.

On th'other hand, my team is counting on the win. I don't concede shots in team matches, because my sense of class and character don't figure into the fact that my team is competing with my opponent's team. I know my win/loss column isn't as important as the team's standing in the league. I call my own fouls, I call my teammates' fouls, and I call my opponents' fouls.
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Fair enough. We each do what we feel is best. My own team is not so serious.
 
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Jude Rosenstock said:
I agree with Williebetmore here. I'm about to reach 400 APA matches and I've never won a single game because of my opponent forgetting to mark a pocket. The few times this has happened, I've let it slide but all of those intances were obvious. The less obvious the shot was, the less forgiving I'm going to be.
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JR,
In the VNEA state tournament last year, critical time in a match; elvicash marked his pocket; but placed the marker slightly more than a half diamond away from the pocket (eight ball near the jaws of the pocket, cue ball close, straight in). Opponent called foul because the marker was too far away from the metal pocket cornerpiece. Referee upheld the foul. Bad sportsman are among us.
 
LunaticFringeIn said:
Your playing an opponent thats your equal in that your both skill level 6 (APA). Your playing a little bit better than they are although not your best night on the table. Its 2 games to his 1 and your on the 4th game. You got one ball sitting in front of the corner pocket at the head of the table thats a duck shot even Hellen Keller couldnt miss. You have another ball at the far end in front of the corner pocket on the same side of the table with the 8 ball about 4 inches behind (the ball parked in front of the pocket blocking it from going in with out pushing both balls in) it and your opponet has no way to get the 8 around it cuase if they miss you will be set up for the run out. The cue is at the head end of the table on the oppisite side. Your opponet feels a safety/defense shot is too risky on the 8, they decide to shoot the 8 and power the 8 in the pocket after pushing one of your two balls in. They take the shot and exicute it well sinking both and keeping the cue on the table avoiding a scrath on the 8. Unfortunately they forgot to mark the pocket or even call the pocket. You knew what their intent was before they shot. Do you call them on not marking the pocket as per the rules, or do you be the "bigger man", give them the win and rack the balls having the confidence that you can out shoot them to a win? Please explain your decision either way.

*Lets add to this that you werent aware he didnt mark the pocket until his team captain blew a gasket after the shot and chastised him for not doing so. Lets also stipulate that this was a routine weekly match, that while it counts, it doesnt have near the implications it would have if it were a play off game.
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MMMMMM did he say"MAY I"??
 
I'd have given it to him reguardless............

LunaticFringeIn said:
Your playing an opponent thats your equal in that your both skill level 6 (APA). Your playing a little bit better than they are although not your best night on the table. Its 2 games to his 1 and your on the 4th game. You got one ball sitting in front of the corner pocket at the head of the table thats a duck shot even Hellen Keller couldnt miss. You have another ball at the far end in front of the corner pocket on the same side of the table with the 8 ball about 4 inches behind (the ball parked in front of the pocket blocking it from going in with out pushing both balls in) it and your opponet has no way to get the 8 around it cuase if they miss you will be set up for the run out. The cue is at the head end of the table on the oppisite side. Your opponet feels a safety/defense shot is too risky on the 8, they decide to shoot the 8 and power the 8 in the pocket after pushing one of your two balls in. They take the shot and exicute it well sinking both and keeping the cue on the table avoiding a scrath on the 8. Unfortunately they forgot to mark the pocket or even call the pocket. You knew what their intent was before they shot. Do you call them on not marking the pocket as per the rules, or do you be the "bigger man", give them the win and rack the balls having the confidence that you can out shoot them to a win? Please explain your decision either way.

*Lets add to this that you werent aware he didnt mark the pocket until his team captain blew a gasket after the shot and chastised him for not doing so. Lets also stipulate that this was a routine weekly match, that while it counts, it doesnt have near the implications it would have if it were a play off game.
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I think the patch thing is pretty sad. They had the patch in the vnea league I used to play in back home. I liked to talk with the other team captain and ask him if we loosen up on the rule. We still mark the pocket so we are used to doing it but if someone forgets, as long as it was an obvious shot, it's a win.

Everyone I asked agreed that they wanted to do it that way.

I think the patch was invented to prevent arguements. But to be honest, I've never seen an arguement over which pocket the 8 ball was shot into. It's usually pretty obvious and if it's not a liitle acknowledgement takes care of any doubt.

Have a great day geno............
 
LunaticFringeIn said:
Your playing an opponent thats your equal in that your both skill level 6 (APA). Your playing a little bit better than they are although not your best night on the table. Its 2 games to his 1 and your on the 4th game. You got one ball sitting in front of the corner pocket at the head of the table thats a duck shot even Hellen Keller couldnt miss. You have another ball at the far end in front of the corner pocket on the same side of the table with the 8 ball about 4 inches behind (the ball parked in front of the pocket blocking it from going in with out pushing both balls in) it and your opponet has no way to get the 8 around it cuase if they miss you will be set up for the run out. The cue is at the head end of the table on the oppisite side. Your opponet feels a safety/defense shot is too risky on the 8, they decide to shoot the 8 and power the 8 in the pocket after pushing one of your two balls in. They take the shot and exicute it well sinking both and keeping the cue on the table avoiding a scrath on the 8. Unfortunately they forgot to mark the pocket or even call the pocket. You knew what their intent was before they shot. Do you call them on not marking the pocket as per the rules, or do you be the "bigger man", give them the win and rack the balls having the confidence that you can out shoot them to a win? Please explain your decision either way.

*Lets add to this that you werent aware he didnt mark the pocket until his team captain blew a gasket after the shot and chastised him for not doing so. Lets also stipulate that this was a routine weekly match, that while it counts, it doesnt have near the implications it would have if it were a play off game.
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I don't play APA but I am familiar with the rules and the APA league I have seen in my area they go nuts about marking the pocket. Still I would give him the win UNLESS I knew of an instance where that player had called the loss on someone in the past for not marking the pocket.
 
walrus_3d said:
I'll happily call a technicality to win a match for my team. When I'm playing for fun, I'll concede an easy 8. If I'm playing a single match and am outclassed by my opponent, I have no problem stepping away from the table.

On th'other hand, my team is counting on the win. I don't concede shots in team matches, because my sense of class and character don't figure into the fact that my team is competing with my opponent's team. I know my win/loss column isn't as important as the team's standing in the league. I call my own fouls, I call my teammates' fouls, and I call my opponents' fouls.
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We each have our own line to draw on when to call a technicality for ourselves or our team.

In my own league we play modified BCA rules. In 8 ball you give or get balls at the end depending on the HC difference between the players.

This past summer was my 1st season. Played a person 1 HC better than I. So that meant when I had 1 ball left, I am supposed to take it off the table and shoot for the 8 ball. 1st game of the match, I forgot the HC difference and did not take the ball off. I shot my last ball in the pocket and positioned the CB perfectly for the 8 ball. Opponent calls the foul, gets ball in hand, sinks the 8 ball to win the game.

I was pissed at myself and annoyed at my opponent. Can't really knock him for it, but I would remind my opponent of the rule before he shot.

Am I a better person than him ? No. I just have a different line on where I call technical fouls.
 
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