Outsville Tip Drawing

Hey Chris,

Also, I have a few requests, by friends, for these tips. Please PM me a price for some more Soft and Medium tips.

Josh
 
Hey Josh,

I'd love to sell you a few for your friends but I am working on cost analysis to calculate what they will retail for so at this point I am not offering any for sale because I don't want to undercharge or overcharge anyone... Depending on packaging they may run between $10-$15 retail. That's always an issue OEM Cost x2 = Retail Cost x2 = Retail Sales price...

I have been working on mass processing so I can get get the pricing down but there are 6-8 steps depending on which tip we are talking about and they still have to be QCed by hand...

I don't ever see taking the QCing by hand out of the loop since I want every tip purchased to be exactly like the one someone received from us on a prior order... At this point during the final QC I have about a 2% rejection rate... I have about a 20% rejection rate total utilizing 4 checkpoints..

All of this makes me wonder if the tips will be viable as I don't know what the price point will be that the market will accept a single layered tip at regardless of how much processing and grading is involved..... So cost analysis is huge atm...

All of that aside I did make a small production run of 500 in preparation for SBE and I am not going to make the trip due to a death in the family...

Soooo If you are only talking about a handful for some close friends I would be happy to send them out to you if you promise to relay their reviews to the forum...

Chris
 
The Renfro said:
Hey Josh,

I'd love to sell you a few for your friends but I am working on cost analysis to calculate what they will retail for so at this point I am not offering any for sale because I don't want to undercharge or overcharge anyone... Depending on packaging they may run between $10-$15 retail. That's always an issue OEM Cost x2 = Retail Cost x2 = Retail Sales price...

I have been working on mass processing so I can get get the pricing down but there are 6-8 steps depending on which tip we are talking about and they still have to be QCed by hand...

I don't ever see taking the QCing by hand out of the loop since I want every tip purchased to be exactly like the one someone received from us on a prior order... At this point during the final QC I have about a 2% rejection rate... I have about a 20% rejection rate total utilizing 4 checkpoints..

All of this makes me wonder if the tips will be viable as I don't know what the price point will be that the market will accept a single layered tip at regardless of how much processing and grading is involved..... So cost analysis is huge atm...

All of that aside I did make a small production run of 500 in preparation for SBE and I am not going to make the trip due to a death in the family...

Soooo If you are only talking about a handful for some close friends I would be happy to send them out to you if you promise to relay their reviews to the forum...

Chris
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I am having the same problem . The guy that does my cue work wanted me to get him one. I had the tip installed on a cue that my buddy uses.
He loves the tip and he is a top player so people are curious. It plays real soft but spins the ball real nice. For a soft tip it's the best of both worlds. We use a cut break so he has been breaking some with it.
No mushroom and the tip stays the same.
I would like to try a medium (it was a lot softer than what i was used to so i couldnt give as good of a review)so I could see how they play and I really need 1 soft. The guy that does my cues puts on a lot of tips and I think it will impress him. He looks at it everytime he gets around the cue, he was thinking it would mushroom I believe . If you can I would appreciate it and if you can't I understand . Thanks a lot
 
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peteypooldude said:
I am having the same problem . The guy that does my cue work wanted me to get him one. I had the tip installed on a cue that my buddy uses.
He loves the tip and he is a top player so people are curious. It plays real soft but spins the ball real nice. For a soft tip it's the best of both worlds. We use a cut break so he has been breaking some with it.
No mushroom and the tip stays the same.
I would like to try a medium (it was a lot softer than what i was used to so i couldnt give as good of a review)so I could see how they play and I really need 1 soft. The guy that does my cues puts on a lot of tips and I think it will impress him. He looks at it everytime he gets around the cue, he was thinking it would mushroom I believe . If you can I would appreciate it and if you can't I understand . Thanks a lot
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No problem Petey... A medium will be in the mail this week for you and if you will ask your installer what he wants I'll send him a soft or medium as well... Just let me know what he wants....

I ran some additional readings on my hards and I am not sending any more of them out as I am altering 2 variables trying to increase the COR readings... I love the way the hard plays currently but I think there is more that can be done with them.... I won't send a hard out to anyone for another week so I apologize if you have been promised one of them and have not seen it yet.....

85% of the players locally and on AZ have wanted mediums or softs.. About 15% hard, 25% soft and 60% mediums actually even less hards and more mediums locally so while I like the hard tip my feedback curve on them is several months behind the others..... I have had several people come back for more of them so maybe I am just over worrying. But I want one more process change on them to see where I get to......

With luck they will be available on Outsville.com and elsewhere in the next month but pricing is the hurdle now... Well that and no handshaking and buttkissin, begging and pleading at SBE to distribution channels LOL

Shoot em straight everyone and may all your racks be perfect :thumbup:

Chris
 
In need of a new tip

Hi Renfro, I normally use a Tiger onyx tip (MEDIUM)on my playing cue. Is there any way you can send me one. I can give a good honest review for you here. My tip about 2 layers to the feral lol. I would be willing to purchase If i need to, or even help with shipping somehow?
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The Renfro said:
Hey Josh,

I'd love to sell you a few for your friends but I am working on cost analysis to calculate what they will retail for so at this point I am not offering any for sale because I don't want to undercharge or overcharge anyone... Depending on packaging they may run between $10-$15 retail. That's always an issue OEM Cost x2 = Retail Cost x2 = Retail Sales price...

I have been working on mass processing so I can get get the pricing down but there are 6-8 steps depending on which tip we are talking about and they still have to be QCed by hand...

I don't ever see taking the QCing by hand out of the loop since I want every tip purchased to be exactly like the one someone received from us on a prior order... At this point during the final QC I have about a 2% rejection rate... I have about a 20% rejection rate total utilizing 4 checkpoints..

All of this makes me wonder if the tips will be viable as I don't know what the price point will be that the market will accept a single layered tip at regardless of how much processing and grading is involved..... So cost analysis is huge atm...

All of that aside I did make a small production run of 500 in preparation for SBE and I am not going to make the trip due to a death in the family...

Soooo If you are only talking about a handful for some close friends I would be happy to send them out to you if you promise to relay their reviews to the forum...

Chris
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I would love to take you up on the offer, Chris. Two soft and two medium, if that isn't too much trouble. I will, definitely, post the reviews.

My friends, and I, agree; we would definitely pay $10 - $15 bucks for these tips.

My condolences regarding the death in your family. I'll keep you in my prayers.

Josh
 
Back to work.....

Sorry if anyone is still waiting on anything... I sent a few PMs out but I am sure I missed a few of you who I have already corresponded with in PM and offered out test tips...

SO I am back working now that everything has settled down around here..Funeral was Saturday and everyone flew out today...

If you were expecting something and have not received it or a PM saying I know I KNOW!!! then shoot me a PM and please include your choice and address to help me out...:thumbup:

Chris
 
Again, my condolences for your loss. Your family is the most important thing. Slow down; the tips can wait. They're that good!

Josh
 
Outsville medium

when i first got this tip i had noticed it wasnt as tall as most layered tips. after installing and shaping, it wasnt as noticable.
i too started off with hard draw shots, maybe a couple of racks of hard draw. after this i looked for mushrooming, very little if any. i got plenty of spin with this tip. it plays very well for a single layer tip, holds up very good, but did seem a little on the softer side of the medium scale. i didnt notice any glazing. all in all these are very good tips. in the end the price of these tips will be the make or break point for me. i would stock some of these for those who like the single layer tips. (i.e. lepro and triangle)these are superior to those.

thanks for letting me test your tip,
Louis
 
OK Hards have been redone to increase the COR... I am having one put on this weekend so they may be ready to ship to anyone who was waiting on a hard and didn't get it....

For that matter I THINK everyone but a few requesting hards should have received tips by now....

If I am still sucking at getting a tip out to you let me know... I had the better half mail a handful while I was in Jersey but I lost the piece of paper I had the addresses on so I am not 100%.....

Shoot straight and may all your racks be tight,

Chris
 
COR is Good

I received a medium COR tip from Outsville and had it installed. (BTW, "COR" or a derivative thereof is my entry for the naming contest.)

Installation was fine.

I've played with this tip about two weeks now, so I think it's a little premature to talk about how well it is going to hold its dome's shape, but no mushrooming so far.

A note about hardness. Triangles are rated as medium-hard by Tweeten and the medium COR sent to me by Outsville is harder than that. It is also harder than the "Dawg Duds" from pooldawg8 that I like so much. So this Outsville medium tip is really a hard tip from my point of reference.

For a hard tip it grips well. I'll miscue sometimes if I try to do too much or get lazy about chalking, so usually when I miscue I can attribute it to a specific cause that's usually my own fault and I won't blame the tip. Since installing this tip, I have only miscued twice where I would have blamed the tip. I think that's very good considering it is that much harder than what I am used to. In other words this tips give good grip and friction, especially considering how hard it is.

Holds chalk well.

No other issues.

This is only intended as an initial impression review, but overall I'd give this tip positive marks.

I really want to try a soft now to be able to get a good idea of how well it will hold its dome shape over a longer period. Chris says he's sending me one. In the mail yet Chris? :thumbup:

Fatz
 
Fatz....

Mailed tips last Wed... Would have expected yours should have been there...

Mailing Racks and Tips out again tomorrow afternoon so let me know if you don't get it....

Chris
 
Pre-Flag Master said:
A note about hardness. Triangles are rated as medium-hard by Tweeten and the medium COR sent to me by Outsville is harder than that. It is also harder than the "Dawg Duds" from pooldawg8 that I like so much. So this Outsville medium tip is really a hard tip from my point of reference.
Fatz
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I can help but disagree with you here.
The mediums play like a medium soft with a little rubbery feel to me.
But hey, that's just my opinion.

Just not hard enough for me. Had to take it off.
Don't get me wrong, I think it is a nice tip, just not for me.
 
twal said:
I can help but disagree with you here.
The mediums play like a medium soft with a little rubbery feel to me.
But hey, that's just my opinion.

Just not hard enough for me. Had to take it off.
Don't get me wrong, I think it is a nice tip, just not for me.
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Just wondering what shaft you were playing with? I am noticing different feedback and I am wondering how much is differences in cues and installation...

I also think you were one of the first I sent tips out and at that time I was trying to use compressed size for the hardness consistency since it took the durometer reading step out of the equation....

I gave up on compressed size and went with PSI and final test each tip on the durometer to make sure they all are between 68-70...

Chris
 
Hey Chris,

Just wanted to give a little feedback on my Soft tip: The tip is still holding up really well. It still has great grip on the cue ball, and holding true to shape; no mushrooming. I do have to re-burnish the side walls every now and then; but, that is just me. I like them dark and shiny.

Also, I've installed another soft for a teammate of mine. He's been shooting with is for a few weeks now, so I'll ask him for a review this Thursday when we get together. He really like mine, and his initial response for his new tip was positive.

More to come.

Josh
 
The Renfro said:
Just wondering what shaft you were playing with? I am noticing different feedback and I am wondering how much is differences in cues and installation...

I also think you were one of the first I sent tips out and at that time I was trying to use compressed size for the hardness consistency since it took the durometer reading step out of the equation....

I gave up on compressed size and went with PSI and final test each tip on the durometer to make sure they all are between 68-70...

Chris
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Chris,
I put your medium tip on a 30" Ivory ferrule Schon shaft.
Maybe your most recent tips play harded then the first ones you sent out?
I guess if you changed the formula then I would now know.

I like a medium to hard tip myself.

Again, I really appreciated testing your tip.
 
I am sorry and embarrassed to report that your H tip was half-eaten by a new puppy before I could put it on. It was apparently knocked off my desk, and found on the floor sometime later really chewed up. True story, really sorry.
 
Here is my feedback on Renfro's tip:

I applied this tip myself and noticed a few things right off the bat. First, when shaping it the tip had a slight sulfur smell. Not sure what causes that but it was not a big deal at all, just a mental note.

The tip felt hard, shaped like a medium-medium hard and holds chalk very well. I shaped it to a nickel radius on my lathe and gave it a nice beveled burnish.

I have been using it for a few weeks now on my main playing cue. I even broke with it several times to see how it held up to the beating. It has maintained it's shape completely so far despite the hard hits and being a single layer tip. I have only felt the need to scuff the tip once so far. (last Saturday)

I really like the way it feels. It's hit is more crisp than my Kamui tip (but to be fair the Kamui I have is a super soft). It has all the advantages of a multi-layered tip but without the drawback of peeling layers like some multi-layered tips seem to do. It holds it's shape and it holds chalk very well and has not glazed over.

I felt comfortable enough with this tip to use it in my match Saturday, (money game) which for me says a lot about how much I like it. It preformed as expected. No miscues, no worries.

So far I am completely happy with this tip. I wish I had more time under my belt using it but I will post a follow up after I have used it for a month or two more.

I would defiantly recommend trying this tip, it's as good as anything out there right now and better than most. Thanks for giving me a chance to try it out Chris. Shoot me a price because I am interested in buying a few more.
 
twal said:
Chris,
I put your medium tip on a 30" Ivory ferrule Schon shaft.
Maybe your most recent tips play harded then the first ones you sent out?
I guess if you changed the formula then I would now know.

I like a medium to hard tip myself.

Again, I really appreciated testing your tip.
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No worries and I did change the processing and pressing so shoot me your addy again and I'll give it another shot if you are up for it....

Chris
 
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