Phillipino dominance?

[gopi-1]

Pool academy in the Philippines is in the streets. If you lose, you and your
family won't eat. Winning is a matter of life or death to them, no ifs or buts.
That's the harsh reality of pool life in the Philippines. There was once a pool
hustler who was deemed as heir apparent to Effie, his name was Eric Lagui.

He took a dive and was found dead the next day, covered in newspapers.
He dumped his manager who was in the military. That's how they take their
gambling there, they're dead serious...

 

[cuetechasaurus]

You make me have a thinking that Philippinoooo like to talk big. Please......

No offense intended. I know you think the Taiwanese players are the best. If there was a Team Taiwan vs Team Phillipines, a long race, and even if the match was in Taiwan..........it would be a massacre...the Filipinos would win easily.

In this money game with Orcullo and Yang, Orcullo will win. He's a stronger player than Yang, and his break is on par with him. The main thing is stamina. Orcullo grew up very poor, and made his living playing pool for very long hours. Yang cannot win this match, sorry.

 

[buddha162]

No offense intended. I know you think the Taiwanese players are the best. If there was a Team Taiwan vs Team Phillipines, a long race, and even if the match was in Taiwan..........it would be a massacre...the Filipinos would win easily.

That is hilarious. Not even a die-hard Pinoy-fan would believe that for a second, either of your statements...nobody who understands their respective games would, at any rate.

-Roger

 

[jay helfert]

Thnx Jay.
How do you think John Schmidt or Jeremy Jones would do at One Side?

I'd rather not say too much. But I will say this. They would not have much fun against the best players. And the second echelon group would be glad to accommodate them.

I really like both of these guys, but if I were in with them, my advice would be to tread cautiously.

 

[cuetechasaurus]

That is hilarious. Not even a die-hard Pinoy-fan would believe that for a second, either of your statements...nobody who understands their respective games would, at any rate.

-Roger

Playing 10ball, oh, yes they would. I have watched countless matches of Filipino and Taiwanese players. Let me explain something to you. There are 12 year old KIDS in the Phillipines that can STRING racks of 15ball rotation! In 10ball, they would probably have to give Wu Chia Ching weight! And this is no disrespect to Wu or any Taiwanese player! In 10 ball its much harder to make a ball on the break. So when it comes to pure runout play with alot of balls on the table, 10-ball compared to 15balls is a joke!!!

Now you compare the abilities. Both groups have about equal breaks.

Shotmaking goes to the Filipinos, by far.

They come with shots that the Taiwanese players would play safe on- which leads me to the next- kicking ability. Filipinos are the greatest kickers in the world in pocket billiards.
The Taiwanese are masters of the jump cue, but if they don't make a ball, they just hope the ball flies around the table and they get lucky with a hook or making a ball. The Filipinos can control kicks so accurately it's ridiculous!

Pattern play- Don't get fooled into thinking that just because the Filipinos can play incredible spin shots that they play tough or tricky patterns. They play simple patterns, but they use those "magical shots" when they need to.

Cueball control- by far goes to the Filipinos. They can weave the cueball in places that no other person can. They have pin point accuracy when using the rails for position, and they are quite good short position shots that require touch and control.

Stroke power- Again, the Filipinos by far! The Taiwanese mainly use short but accurate strokes, and the only one I've seen that can juice up the cueball fairly well is Yang and Fu. But they don't hold a candle to the Filipinos! When they need to put a monster stroke on a ball, the Filipinos most definately can, and will usually pocket it too! In the same situation, again the Taiwanese players would opt to play safe, and in most cases a soft safety, which yields the kicking advantage to the Filipinos.

And last, but certainly not least, HUNGER TO WIN! The Filipinos dominate this aspect. They grew up poor and understand what it means to win. The top Taiwanese players are pampered and tend to have followers. The top Filipino players share the money they make with each other, with families and such. They take care of their own.

I hope this clarifies everything.

Anyways, in 10ball, yes, it would be a massacre. In 9ball, it's whoever finds the sweetspot first and can string racks the most, so it would be close, but the Filipinos would win.

And I'm not biased. I'm not Filipino or Taiwanese, I'm just a pool fan who has been studying top players for years. You probably have too, and this is my opinion combined with facts, and it would be the same opinion shared with even the most devoted Filipino fans.

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

as long as the game forbids the use of a jump, it would be a massacre alright. even in 9-ball. but in a short 9 ball game that allows a jump it's a hill-hill battle. 10-ball and 15-ball, definitely the most avoided games by the taiwanese. longer games adds more pressure and most often lose your tempo in the long run. I hate playing 10-ball, much more to 15-ball coz most often than not, you will scratch your head all night because of the constant duckings / hookings, kicks and foul after foul after foul shot. when a game of patience comes into play, it is not the situation that the taiwanese like.
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[bandido]

Playing 10ball, oh, yes they would. I have watched countless matches of Filipino and Taiwanese players. Let me explain something to you. There are 12 year old KIDS in the Phillipines that can STRING racks of 15ball rotation! In 10ball, they would probably have to give Wu Chia Ching weight! And this is no disrespect to Wu or any Taiwanese player! In 10 ball its much harder to make a ball on the break. So when it comes to pure runout play with alot of balls on the table, 10-ball compared to 15balls is a joke!!!

Now you compare the abilities. Both groups have about equal breaks.

Shotmaking goes to the Filipinos, by far.

They come with shots that the Taiwanese players would play safe on- which leads me to the next- kicking ability. Filipinos are the greatest kickers in the world in pocket billiards.
The Taiwanese are masters of the jump cue, but if they don't make a ball, they just hope the ball flies around the table and they get lucky with a hook or making a ball. The Filipinos can control kicks so accurately it's ridiculous!

Pattern play- Don't get fooled into thinking that just because the Filipinos can play incredible spin shots that they play tough or tricky patterns. They play simple patterns, but they use those "magical shots" when they need to.

Cueball control- by far goes to the Filipinos. They can weave the cueball in places that no other person can. They have pin point accuracy when using the rails for position, and they are quite good short position shots that require touch and control.

Stroke power- Again, the Filipinos by far! The Taiwanese mainly use short but accurate strokes, and the only one I've seen that can juice up the cueball fairly well is Yang and Fu. But they don't hold a candle to the Filipinos! When they need to put a monster stroke on a ball, the Filipinos most definately can, and will usually pocket it too! In the same situation, again the Taiwanese players would opt to play safe, and in most cases a soft safety, which yields the kicking advantage to the Filipinos.

And last, but certainly not least, HUNGER TO WIN! The Filipinos dominate this aspect. They grew up poor and understand what it means to win. The top Taiwanese players are pampered and tend to have followers. The top Filipino players share the money they make with each other, with families and such. They take care of their own.

I hope this clarifies everything.

Anyways, in 10ball, yes, it would be a massacre. In 9ball, it's whoever finds the sweetspot first and can string racks the most, so it would be close, but the Filipinos would win.

And I'm not biased. I'm not Filipino or Taiwanese, I'm just a pool fan who has been studying top players for years. You probably have too, and this is my opinion combined with facts, and it would be the same opinion shared with even the most devoted Filipino fans.

Ever since Efren and Jose emerged in the international pool scene people really watched and dissected their game or tried to. Sprite probably thinks that its one-way. The current crop of players here do too dissect the rest of the world's game and the most serious group at doing this is Dennis and co.

Besides the HUNGER TO WIN, I'd say that the Filipino player adjusts to palying conditions quicker than any other and that's due to growing up playing in crappy to excellent tables day-in and day-out.

It's so easy to beat the Taiwanese, just don't give them a chance to use their jump cues. One rail kicks still yields them acceptable results most of the time but 2 and 3 railers and they sell-out more often than not.

 

[bandido]

his name was Eric Lagui.

He took a dive and was found dead the next day, covered in newspapers.
He dumped his manager who was in the military. That's how they take their gambling there, they're dead serious...

Not the real story, a player of mine was with Eric when they left the poolhall.

 

[Sprite]

I'm sorry but that's reality, and it's FILIPINO not philippino.......

Here you goes again.

 

[Sprite]

There is one thing for sure.......FILIPINO cannot play small pocket.
No name mention....look at how the so call FILIPINO idol play at small pocket.........

Round 1 - OUT!

 

[rotation]

Here you goes again.

ULOL!!

 

[JoeyInCali]

There is one thing for sure.......FILIPINO cannot play small pocket.
No name mention....look at how the so call FILIPINO idol play at small pocket.........

Round 1 - OUT!

Really?
Is that why Bustamante and Parica became back to back players of the year during the PBT/Camel Tour days when they had shimmed Grand Prix and pro-cut Diamond tables?
Why wouldn't Efren not like tight tables? It eliminates some of the breaking advantage. He played great during the times Ernesto shimmed all pockets at Hard Times.

 

[rotation]

Really?
Is that why Bustamante and Parica became back to back players of the year during the PBT/Camel Tour days when they had shimmed Grand Prix and pro-cut Diamond tables?
Why wouldn't Efren not like tight tables? It eliminates some of the breaking advantage. He played great during the times Ernesto shimmed all pockets at Hard Times.

come on, bro, don't you still get it? Sprite doesn't know what he is talking about, i don't even think he's ever been out of his country to watch pool tournaments, i think his stories are based on what he saw on TV....

 

[Sprite]

come on, bro, don't you still get it? Sprite doesn't know what he is talking about, i don't even think he's ever been out of his country to watch pool tournaments, i think his stories are based on what he saw on TV....

Oh...i didn't know that TV show "fake images".

 

[rotation]

Oh...i didn't know that TV show "fake images".

I was RIGHT! This guy's knowledge in the pool world is based on what he saw on TV. Therefore, his knowledge is about 10% of what really is going on in pool community. How sad...........

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

hi guys, sprite is obviously flaming and sourgraping at the same time. please forgive him for his limited knowledge about the pool world. as the saying goes, even idiots are given a fighting chance. though they might not pass the exams and not able to move up to the next level, well atleast they tried.
________

 

[rotation]

hi guys, sprite is obviously flaming and sourgraping at the same time. please forgive him for his limited knowledge about the pool world. as the saying goes, even idiots are given a fighting chance. though they might not pass the exams and not able to move up to the next level, well atleast they tried.

exactly! Sprite, we extend our deepest condolences for you ignorance......

 

[bandido]

There is one thing for sure.......FILIPINO cannot play small pocket.
No name mention....look at how the so call FILIPINO idol play at small pocket.........

Round 1 - OUT!

Oh boy, you must be living on reruns of WPC Taiwan. The rest of us have moved-on, 52 years old Efren has had Lasik and was 2006's winningest player.

What you probably mean is that Filipino creativity decreases on smaller pockets. Hitting the center of the pocket or the target is a fundamental in the game of pool as is with any other direction contest (archery, shooting, basketball, etc).

Learning to play on different equipment conditions takes years to master and Taiwanese only know of pristine conditions that's why their 2-3 rail kicks end up in sell-outs.

 

[crosseyedjoe]

There is one thing for sure.......FILIPINO cannot play small pocket.
No name mention....look at how the so call FILIPINO idol play at small pocket.........

Round 1 - OUT!

What are you talking about? Kansai Open just finish although Filipino only salvage 3rd this year, Taiwan had it even worst.

By the way last year it's 1-2-3-4 all Filipino in Kansai Open.

 

[buddha162]

And I'm not biased. I'm not Filipino or Taiwanese, I'm just a pool fan who has been studying top players for years. You probably have too, and this is my opinion combined with facts, and it would be the same opinion shared with even the most devoted Filipino fans.

I was almost going to respond in a long, drawn out message basically stating as fact the strengths of Taiwanese players, but what's the point? It would just be a mirror post of your own, ie an op-ed piece...which contains no facts whatsoever.

And btw, not being Filipino or Taiwanese does not exclude oneself from being biased in this context. The vast majority of AZB members are very familiar with Filipino players and the Pinoy pool scene in general; very, very few posters have even a rudimentary understanding of Taiwanese talent. That lack of knowledge could easily translate into the kind of non-tribal bias I see in some of these posts, your's included.

Bottom line is, unless you have access to Taiwanese cable, and really watch the depth of talent that have developed there through the highest level of tournament play in the past 10 years...hours of live coverage every week, a 3-tiered, full-time pro tour, the tough ass equipment played on...you really have no solid foundation to speculate on how well a Taiwanese team would do against a Filipino one.

-Roger