Poll: Do certain people "own" good rolls

Do you believe certain people get so many good rolls it has to be based on luck?

  • Yes, it's inexplicable luck

    Votes: 18 32.7%

  • No, the laws of averages apply & good rolls are result from positive attitude & shrewd play

    Votes: 28 50.9%

  • other, my post will describe my thoughts on this semi-mystical matter

    Votes: 9 16.4%
  • Total voters
    55
KoolKat9Lives

KoolKat9Lives

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Do you believe that certain players almost always get good rolls and truly defy the laws of averages?

Or do you believe in the laws of averages and that only by holding a certain positive attitude and employing smart strategy (like 2 ways) will create more good rolls?
 
KoolKat9Lives said:
Do you believe that certain players almost always get good rolls and truly defy the laws of averages?

Or do you believe in the laws of averages and that only by holding a certain positive attitude and employing smart strategy (like 2 ways) will create more good rolls?
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Yes. Everyone gets bad rolls, but I do think some get better rolls than others. I don't think it is luck either. I think it has a lot to do with their shot selections.
 
I don't believe in luck--- everything is statistical in my humble opinion.

The better you get, you put yourself in position to get better rolls. Outside of that, if you're shooting the CB into a position blindly (good player or bad player), statistically... the good/bad rolls all even out in the LONG run.

Dave
 
jason said:
Yes. Everyone gets bad rolls, but I do think some get better rolls than others. I don't think it is luck either. I think it has a lot to do with their shot selections.
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i completely agree this is a major factor in the issue. Just the same reason why you can watch someone and know what ball they are probably going to dog before they do.
 
I have always heard "good players get good rolls" and I believe its true based on what has previously been mentioned above.
 
On our weekly and monthly Sunday tournament there are a few players that always seem to get those LUCKY ROLLS... they admit it, they love it and they tell the other players that they even count on it... and it always seems to happen.


Well we finally found out their secret...













Early every Sunday they go to all the pastry and bakery shops and buy up all the ROLLS...
 
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Nobody "OWNS" good rolls, and the law of averages knows no favorites ... with the possible exception of being in really good or really bad with a supreme being.

That being said, no table is perfectly flat. No table is perfectly level. No cloth is worn exactly evenly. No slate joint is perfectly aligned. No set of balls is perfectly round, or perfectly weighted.

There is such a thing as home table advantage and the more experience someone has with particular equipment the more likely they are to pick up ... whether consciously or via osmosis ... the way the table plays.

It plays the same for everyone, but if you aren't familiar with it you are surprised by it's lack of trueness and perceive a "BAD" roll ... OTOH a player who has got the same bad roll 100 times on the same table will be more likely to make a subconscious adjustment for it and be perceived to have got a "GOOD" roll.

LWW
 
There are different type of good/ball rolls;

1. When I'm shooting...
- if I "get a good roll" and hook you when I missed... well often I play the shot that way so that if I missed, you'd be screwed.
- I play a risky shot and end up sitting great, when it looked to my opponent that I got lucky... well, I took a calculated risk and the odds worked out as I expected (hoped) they would.

2. When the opponent is shooting...
- They are taking no care for the possible out comes of a shot and miss and hook me... well, that's luck
- If they have no shot and slam things hoping to get lucky... well, that's luck, but sometimes you have to try to get lucky.

So, what I'm saying is that to the uninformed player, it will seem like certain (better) players always get the good rolls, when in fact the better player is just playing the odds and giving themself more opportunity to get the good rolls.
 
2 thoughts

Ben Hogan said"The more i practise,the luckier i get"
FORTUNE FAVORS THE BRAVE
 
Nobody I know always gets the good rolls but I know a few who always get the bad ones! Myself included.
 
There are good risks to take and there are bad risks. The good players seem to distinguish them better.

Also the better players are usually at the table more than the lesser player and take advantage of their good fortune. The weaker player just sits there mumbling as the better player runs out.
 
I have a feeling that some may find this hard to believe, but Mike Sigel, one of the greatest cueists of any time, got more good rolls than anybody else I ever saw.

Don't mis-understand here. He played superb. But on the rare occasion he did miss, he ended up safeing his opponant or something else very fortuitous would occur FOR him, rarely against him.

I hope Jay Helfert chimes in on this to confirm or deny what I just said.
Mike was super great, but he also had some really good fortune that aided him along.
 
Rolls

for 'Every Action, there is a Reaction'. If you get a bad reaction, it is because the action you took was not accurate.

That's why 2 people can shoot the same shot, and end up with entirely different position for the next shot.

AND, consistent good fortune is planned, it doesn't just happen. Sometimes, I plan to miss a shot or two and play leave, because it is in my favor to do so in order to win the game.
 
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Terry Ardeno said:
I have a feeling that some may find this hard to believe, but Mike Sigel, one of the greatest cueists of any time, got more good rolls than anybody else I ever saw.

Don't mis-understand here. He played superb. But on the rare occasion he did miss, he ended up safeing his opponant or something else very fortuitous would occur FOR him, rarely against him.

I hope Jay Helfert chimes in on this to confirm or deny what I just said.
Mike was super great, but he also had some really good fortune that aided him along.
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Wasn't that why Mike Sigel was called Capt Hook (a better nickname than Mike the mouth)?

I think while its true the good and bad rolls even out what if they don't in that set? He gets three good rolls and I get zero the rolls didn't even out. If I flip a coin 10 times and it comes down heads wouldn't that be 100% rather than the 50% chance flipping a coin should be?

People say don't let bad rolls affect you, but I think they effect everybody in some way. I think the skill level of the opponent and the situation you're playing decides if bad rolls don't effect you. You think a player that gets a bad roll in the finals of the US open doesn't think think about that everyday.
 
accustatsfan said:
Wasn't that why Mike Sigel was called Capt Hook (a better nickname than Mike the mouth)?

I think while its true the good and bad rolls even out what if they don't in that set? He gets three good rolls and I get zero the rolls didn't even out. If I flip a coin 10 times and it comes down heads wouldn't that be 100% rather than the 50% chance flipping a coin should be?

People say don't let bad rolls affect you, but I think they effect everybody in some way. I think the skill level of the opponent and the situation you're playing decides if bad rolls don't effect you. You think a player that gets a bad roll in the finals of the US open doesn't think think about that everyday.
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Good post.
Remember in the finals of the 1993 U.S. Open 9 Ball Championship, Earl was playing the late Tony Ellin. I remember Tony getting some horrific rolls, even though he was shooting great. The thought that went thru my mind was how demoralizing it had to be to shoot THAT good and STILL get beat! I'll never root against Earl, but I felt bad for Tony.

The margin for error at that level is miniscule.
 
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