Poll: Should Jump Shots Be Banned?

Poll: Should Jump Shots Be Banned?


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you sell jump cues...you also sell cloth..:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

sounds like a way to boost sales of both

Actually I don't sell either anymore. But I sold jump cues when I did not sell cloth.

Look vested interest or not I went around the country showing them off for seven years. So the people who had to be convinced that they would not harm the cloth were the customers who had their own tables and room owners. I was able to demonstrate that effectively and so we sold a TON of jump cues to room owners who couldn't keep them in stock.
 
If someone plays a GOOD safe and puts you within a ball or ball and a half of the impeding ball--- should you be able to jump that?

I'm of the opinion that you shouldn't be able to--- regardless of the cue.

After playing a good safe;

Every time I see someone pulling out that 'short stick' or even using their full cue, I just smile. I either get to see the lack of their jumping skill or mayge they are able to jump a full ball but with little accuracy that is needed to hit the OB or, they hit the OB and both go flying off the table. Regardless I usually get ball in hand. And, if they do make a good hit, the chances are they will leave you out anyway and/or not get good shape on the next ball.

Jumping a ball has been around for 50+ years that I know of, and should be accepted as a shot choice, just like kicks and masses.
 
A lot of us have experienced Earl Strickland have his little mood spouts during a tournament, but if you really want to hear him go off, ask him what he thinks about the JUMP SHOT!

Warning: Before attempting to discuss this particular subject with Mr. Strickland, you will need to have a defibulator or paramedics available. Then seek shelter on higher ground because Mount Strickland will surely erupt!!
 
About jump cues: any idiot really can learn to jump with a jump cue in 5m or less.

I know, because I was that idiot just a few months ago. After years and years of playing in places that banned jump shots, and getting used to kicking from different angles/rails/etc I just never felt the need to jump a ball. A few months back a buddy of mine was talking about his new jump cue and he asked me if I wanted to try it. I replied that I had never in my life attempted to jump a ball, and would worry about damaging the table. He hectored me into trying it, and I was able to fully jump a ball in less than a minute of instruction.

So yes, they really do work that well if anybody else out there has never tried one.
 
I think, the bottom line is, jump cues change the way pool is played and there are some people that don't like this change. We can sit here and argue all day as to which requires more talent but the fact remains, it's really just change we're complaining about. Personally, I worry about where this will all lead us? I would rather be confined to the equipment that is specific to pool rather than see pool go through a technology war with the only constant being the table and balls. I worry our equipment bags are getting too big but perhaps that's part of the problem with pool's economy. It needs more revenue circulation and a great way to make this happen is through equipment needs. Look no further than the rack wars which is just as exciting. :|

I've come to terms with the fact the jump cues aren't going anywhere. So long as they never make their way to 14.1, I think we'll be alright. I'm sure when I play in any event that allows them I'll be just as competitive as I am when they're not allowed.
 
anything that damages the equipment should be banned.. and nothing tears up cloth like jump shots.

Please provide proof of this. I can show you more cloth that needs to be replaced from breaking on the same spot than cloth that needs replacing because of proper jump shots.
 
Please provide proof of this. I can show you more cloth that needs to be replaced from breaking on the same spot than cloth that needs replacing because of proper jump shots.

Very true...amazing how a break cloth saves a table... I had no idea!
 
I don't think anybody is going to have a problem with jump shots. It's jump cues that stir controversy.

Not all playing cues jump (no matter how good of a jumper you are).

I see nothing wrong using equipment that works to help improve your game (within the specs of course), jump cues have gotten such a bad rap IMHO.

Just having a jump cue doesn't mean a player can jump, Trust me...I know...
It’s a shot that still has to be learned, the stroke, aim, angle, so much goes into the shot (just like any other shot) you must practice it (but you also need to understand the shot) that’s where I come in, I’ve put more jump cues in action than most people I’m sure.
Saying the shot is easy, you will have tons of controversy there are tons of players that just don’t know how. Making the DVD“Mastering the Jump Shot” I wanted to go over more than just jumping. I wanted the player to understand when to jump and when to kick. Leaving a player with just the jump shot would be as bad as leaving the player with just the kick shot. I say use the tools you have available to bring your game to the level you desire it to be.

Robin
www.robindodson.com
 
well the poll is pretty common but this is the first time I've been able to pick yes and no both. Weird.

I'm not worried about the pool technology war, if everyone has to buy a jump cue then so be it. It's not cheap to play serious golf either, and it's not like new shots are coming up every week. After specialized jumping and breaking cues, I doubt we're gonna see another significant addition to the case for 50 years.

Yes, it feels a bit like robbery if you play a nice safe and people jump right out of it. Good for them is all I can say, if I can do the same to them then I'm pretty pleased with myself. Let the better player win and let's stop worrying about who's worked harder at dealing with the hook.
 
I didn't read every post so maybe this has been mentioned but it seems to me the game of pool was meant to be played with the balls ON THE TABLE not flying around above it.

I don't hate jumps, I wish I was better at them myself. But I much prefer watching or executing a beautiful kick shot.

What I do find very irritating is playing someone in 9 ball who constantly hooks himself, jumps, hits his ball and sh!ts something in. The upside to that is that he relies on his jump cue too much, and it's fairly easy to play safe against him because when he's forced to kick, he doesn't know how.
 
I didn't read every post so maybe this has been mentioned but it seems to me the game of pool was meant to be played with the balls ON THE TABLE not flying around above it.

I don't hate jumps, I wish I was better at them myself. But I much prefer watching or executing a beautiful kick shot.

What I do find very irritating is playing someone in 9 ball who constantly hooks himself, jumps, hits his ball and sh!ts something in. The upside to that is that he relies on his jump cue too much, and it's fairly easy to play safe against him because when he's forced to kick, he doesn't know how.

Hate the game, don't hate the player......
 
Rules

We hear all the time about people in lower leagues calling a foul if the ball leaves the table (and it is usually unitentional since it is illegal to jump in our leagues). I believe it is improper to say it is illegal to jump the cue ball if you can't quantify the difference between normal shots where the ball leaves the table by a fraction of an inch due to physics versus intentionally jumping over the edge of a ball.
 
Well I love the jump shot. :grin:

It is a skill that most idiots think they can perform in 5 minutes.
Good luck with that.

I don’t jump as much anymore, but that is because I have begun the realize that some of those shots I jumped, I really should have kicked.
But, that is the learning lesions of pool.
We all have things we are good at.
Why limit someone’s use of their skills?

I believe I was reading a 9 ball book that they watched some 500 + games in a pro tournament.
Of those games there was ?? like less than 30 jump shots total. Those that went to run out and win ?? again I think it was less than maybe 5.

Those odds are against you.
So yeah, knowing how tough it is and that the odds are against you… It is a crowd pleaser to see.

I also think how it is funny how some are against the jump shot but only in certain situations or with a full length stick. I wonder if these are the same people that criticize the low deflection shafts.

I think they sound like this:
All technology is bad, you should not change anything so I don’t have to adapt and use new skills.

I am just kidding of course, but really come on man!
 
A lot of us have experienced Earl Strickland have his little mood spouts during a tournament, but if you really want to hear him go off, ask him what he thinks about the JUMP SHOT!

Warning: Before attempting to discuss this particular subject with Mr. Strickland, you will need to have a defibulator or paramedics available. Then seek shelter on higher ground because Mount Strickland will surely erupt!!

:-)

Actually it's the jump cue that Strickland goes off about. Hypocritically because he has used a "jump" cue for 20 years at least. While he is clearly one of the best in the world with a full cue he does have and has had shorter cues that he used for jumping balls in certain situations. Would he go to a 41" jump cue? Probably not but he certainly has used a specifically shorter cue for jump shots.

I once paid for an autograpghed picture of Earl and I asked him to write "I love jump cues" - He glared at me and signed it "I HATE jump cues!!!!"

Earl is a character that's for sure.
 
I 'm in the process of making mini hurdles for when my next opponent jumps a ball. I will whip it out, unfold it and place it in front of the pocket when his back is turned, as he is switching cues. Then when he asks " What just happened?", I will just look at him, and stick my pointing fingers into my ears.
 
I think, the bottom line is, jump cues change the way pool is played and there are some people that don't like this change. We can sit here and argue all day as to which requires more talent but the fact remains, it's really just change we're complaining about. Personally, I worry about where this will all lead us? I would rather be confined to the equipment that is specific to pool rather than see pool go through a technology war with the only constant being the table and balls. I worry our equipment bags are getting too big but perhaps that's part of the problem with pool's economy. It needs more revenue circulation and a great way to make this happen is through equipment needs. Look no further than the rack wars which is just as exciting. :|

I've come to terms with the fact the jump cues aren't going anywhere. So long as they never make their way to 14.1, I think we'll be alright. I'm sure when I play in any event that allows them I'll be just as competitive as I am when they're not allowed.

Well if we are going to look towards socioeconomic motivations you have to consider that the reason we are at the state we are is through innovation. The drive to make things "better" and easier is what makes us human. The lion doesn't build a fence to trap his prey, he simply lays in wait and tries to surprise it. Humans don't do that, we build tools, we invent techniques, we improvise and adapt.

People bring up the "changes the game" and "way the game was meant to be" all the time but in fact the game has been evolving for hundreds of years. When the game of nine ball changed to one foul ball in hand the need to hit the lowest numbered ball on your turn became huge because giving up ball in hand meant loss of the game more than 50% of the time and probably closer to 90% against a pro.

That single rule changed the way the game was played.

The jump cue is the tool we invented to adapt to the rule change. And the way jump cues are made today are a direct result of competition to engineer the best solution which conforms to the rules and does not damage the equipment.

The argument has been put forth that jump cues were invented by manufacturers looking to sell more equipment. Kind of like how Hallmark cards invented Valentines day. I haven't seen this to be true. The evolution I witnessed from the late 80s onward is that jump cues were tinkered with by small cue makers and the idea was picked up by larger cue makers but the really good ones came through constant revision.

The fact of it is that modern jump cues have been part of the game for about 16 years now. The game is doing fine with them. Some of the greatest shots ever played have been jump shots in high pressure matches in difficult situations.

I agree that jump cues change the game but I think it's for the better. I could live without them but then I'd like to see the rules tweaked so that safeties must be called in all rotation games and the incoming player is not rewarded handsomely due to bad play on the part of the outgoing player. Because this is exactly what happens when a ball is missed and a lucky safe is the result.

I don't think that there is much more evolution to be had here. We have pretty much played out this particular aspect of the game and the equipment is about as good as it's going to get I think. At the end of the day the cue is inert and while it ALLOWS for the shot to be made it does not actually take the shot. The player does that and it's the player that makes the cue ball do whatever it does. My comparison is Mike Massey. No matter how many times Mike Massey has tried to teach me his circular draw shot I just can't get it down like he does it. I have used HIS cue so it's not the cue. He has used my cue so it's not the cue.

The skill resides in him and for me to get close I would have to practice as much as him and be as dedicated to the shot as he is. No one can give me a cue that will make this shot for me. You can give me a cue that draws better somehow but I will still be inconsistent with it. And if you did give me that super draw cue the result would be that Mike Massey would take it from me and invent 20 more shots that I couldn't do.
 
I 'm in the process of making mini hurdles for when my next opponent jumps a ball. I will whip it out, unfold it and place it in front of the pocket when his back is turned, as he is switching cues. Then when he asks " What just happened?", I will just look at him, and stick my pointing fingers into my ears.

And if he has the Jump-O-Matic 3000 he will simply dial in the height/trajectory with the built in laser range finder and jump over your obstacle with surgical precision. Then after returning to the table with his LD9000VXD-Terminator Agrregator Collector's Edition Limited cue he will miss the 2ft straight in shot he has.

We used to play around with jumping 2 liter coke bottles. I got tired of that nonsense when I realized that such activity really was sending the wrong message about jump cues. The obsession with how HIGH the cue ball can be made to jump is really detrimental to the message of showing how much control can be achieved.

Some day I will make a video of controlled jump shots so people can see the artistry and mastery involved.
 
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