Poll: Your opinion
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I would never say either 1.. Both are wrong. I choose c none of the above.
Both are very important, but ... saying to someone to be sure to maintain your fundamentals can be a double edged sword.
How can you know their fundamentals are good and should be maintained?
Accelerating through the CB IMO may be the single most important factor of a stroke ... BUT it is totally useless unless combined with other factors that allow accurate delivery.
This game is so intricate, so subtle in its finer points that along the road to becoming a good player, so much FEEL is intrinsic to success.
BTW, that's why so many people go bowling.
How can you know their fundamentals are good and should be maintained?
Accelerating through the CB IMO may be the single most important factor of a stroke ... BUT it is totally useless unless combined with other factors that allow accurate delivery.
This game is so intricate, so subtle in its finer points that along the road to becoming a good player, so much FEEL is intrinsic to success.
BTW, that's why so many people go bowling.
Therefore, always and never statements are never always true.
I was in Fayetteville, NC a couple days ago and saw a tractor trailer that had gone off the side of I-95. It was horrific, a tree was through the cab and portions of the trailer were 30+ft past the cab.
There was no way the driver survived, I thought. Then I read this:
http://www.accidentin.com/accidents_on/north_carolina/i-95.htm
07:42am ET Heather:
i-95 north_carolina Truckerswife.....I called his trucking company yesterday to see if I could get any info on his status and you will not believe this, but she said he has a two broken ankles and some stitches and had been released from the hospital already! Easter miracle!
http://fayobserver.com/articles/2013/04/01/1247336?sac=fo.home
A tractor-trailer driver from Florida heading north on Interstate 95 suffered serious injuries Sunday morning when he crashed into a tree in Robeson County, the Highway Patrol said.
William Prial, 58, of Florida, left the right lane of the interstate in St. Pauls near mile marker 31 at about 11:39 a.m. The vehicle collided with a guard rail, then rolled down an embankment and into a tree, said Trooper D. Hunt. The force of the impact caused pallets of Tropicana orange juice to push through and spill into the cab, Hunt said.
Prial, who was pinned in the cab by the pallets of juice, was airlifted to Duke University Hospital.
"It was pretty bad injuries," Hunt said.
The hospital refused to confirm whether Prial was a patient, citing federal privacy laws.
Traffic was temporarily diverted around I-95 northbound so a helicopter ambulance could land on the road. Hunt said the cause of the crash is still under investigation, but speed isn't suspected to be a factor.
I was in Fayetteville, NC a couple days ago and saw a tractor trailer that had gone off the side of I-95. It was horrific, a tree was through the cab and portions of the trailer were 30+ft past the cab.
There was no way the driver survived, I thought. Then I read this:
http://www.accidentin.com/accidents_on/north_carolina/i-95.htm
07:42am ET Heather:
i-95 north_carolina Truckerswife.....I called his trucking company yesterday to see if I could get any info on his status and you will not believe this, but she said he has a two broken ankles and some stitches and had been released from the hospital already! Easter miracle!
http://fayobserver.com/articles/2013/04/01/1247336?sac=fo.home
A tractor-trailer driver from Florida heading north on Interstate 95 suffered serious injuries Sunday morning when he crashed into a tree in Robeson County, the Highway Patrol said.
William Prial, 58, of Florida, left the right lane of the interstate in St. Pauls near mile marker 31 at about 11:39 a.m. The vehicle collided with a guard rail, then rolled down an embankment and into a tree, said Trooper D. Hunt. The force of the impact caused pallets of Tropicana orange juice to push through and spill into the cab, Hunt said.
Prial, who was pinned in the cab by the pallets of juice, was airlifted to Duke University Hospital.
"It was pretty bad injuries," Hunt said.
The hospital refused to confirm whether Prial was a patient, citing federal privacy laws.
Traffic was temporarily diverted around I-95 northbound so a helicopter ambulance could land on the road. Hunt said the cause of the crash is still under investigation, but speed isn't suspected to be a factor.
Both are very important, but ... saying to someone to be sure to maintain your fundamentals can be a double edged sword.
How can you know their fundamentals are good and should be maintained?
Accelerating through the CB IMO may be the single most important factor of a stroke ... BUT it is totally useless unless combined with other factors that allow accurate delivery.
This game is so intricate, so subtle in its finer points that along the road to becoming a good player, so much FEEL is intrinsic to success.
BTW, that's why so many people go bowling.
Haha yes. Actually, I bet the right thing to say would be absolutely nothing, unless the player asks for your advice first, lol. Un-invited advice is well, just that.
MAYBE... I should have asked, which should you learn first: consistent delivery or acceleration-thru. Both are so important... but I think I wished I learned acceleration-thru first.
Definately.
A lot of people are looking at it backwards.....
...stop trying to LOOK like a player...BE a player
Steve Davis as a teenager said 'I feel the secret to all ball games is to
accelerate through the ball."
You hit the cue-ball with the cue...take care of the cue first.....
...who cares what you look like.
...stop trying to LOOK like a player...BE a player
Steve Davis as a teenager said 'I feel the secret to all ball games is to
accelerate through the ball."
You hit the cue-ball with the cue...take care of the cue first.....
...who cares what you look like.
My wife, and she says I need to start going to the gym with her!:thumbup:
While I agree there should be more options, if I had to pick just one I'd go with A.
"Don't worry about it" sounds pretty careless.
I don't want to overload a student, but if I could go back and start again as a newbie,
I'd want to know about (and worry about) those fundamentals,
rather than just... "hey man whatever works".
"Don't worry about it" sounds pretty careless.
I don't want to overload a student, but if I could go back and start again as a newbie,
I'd want to know about (and worry about) those fundamentals,
rather than just... "hey man whatever works".
Steve Davis said that? That's awesome!
I've spent a long time trying to look like a robot, a statue, a grandfather clock, while stroking.
By accident I discovered the difference between "punching the ball with a fist" and "shoving the ball like a shuffleboard puck". Shoving is the acceleration, and for some reason it takes a long time to figure out. You're not really doing what it looks like your doing... its weird, but its definately the key.
When I "accelerate through the CB", my whole body feels very fluid and natural, and DOES NOT look like it does in a textbook. But there's no way I'm doing it wrong compared to how it felt before. So maybe the answer really is that "it doesn't matter how you look compared to everyone else; your stroke is allowed to be unique to you" pending you maintain consistency and elements of practice from other important areas in the game.
I can't come up with a good metaphor to explain it to somebody else, the closest I've come is:
"Pretend the cue ball is a heavy iceberg floating in the water. You have an ice pick in your hand. Try to shove the cue ball forward without chipping off any ice. If you jab at the ice berg, you'll chip it."
But maybe "accelerate through the ball" is the best way to say it, and still it takes a lot of self discovery to match the meaning with reality. Anyone who can improve this connection will be able to invent the ultimate training tool, lol!
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That's a decent analogy. Just so lang as you are careful not to literally push the ball but rather get one good clean hit.
Yes, absolutely.
Now speaking of that, I actually thought I was pushing the ball, illegally, when I first discovered the "shove". I thought to myself, "Damn, too bad we can't play like this, the ball always goes so straight." Then I video-taped myself and saw that not only was I legally hitting the cue ball, but my tip was a good 6 inches behind the cue ball before I went forward. It didn't feel like I had a backstroke at all!
I suppose I'm excited about this because I want to make sure I capture the details of the epiphany now, before it fades away into part of my natural game in a month or two, and I forget how important of a discovery it was.
Writing on the forum helps me not forget.