Pool Lessons

Villalpando, J. (2007). Little Joe Villalpando's Pool IQ: Volume II: Cue ball control. Welter Pictures. http://pooliq.net

One of the major aspects of learning to play pocket billiards well is learning to control the cue ball. There are many ways to do this. Joe Villalpando has taken the old Wagon Wheel System originally published by Ted Brown and revised it in such a way that it is easy to learn and remember. Most importantly when the concepts have been internalized the ideas will come quickly to mind in a competitive situation.

Joe begins with a description of the cue ball as seen from the shooter's position as a clock face. Thus, 12:00 O'clock and 6:00 O'clock are on the vertical axis. Next he shows the well known idea that the cue ball leaves the object ball at a tangent of 90 degrees for many shots. He sets up a stop shot wherein the cue ball is one diamond off the side pocket and has the student pocket the object ball with center ball (12-0). The result of course is that the cue ball moves to the first diamond off the top rail.

Here is where Mr Villalpando gets unique. The student learns that clock position 6 - 1 is about one eighth of an inch below center ball and this will make the cue ball return to the second diamond or the center of the head rail. That is the "1" in position 6 -1 means the cue ball backs up one diamond. Position 6-2 is about a quarter inch blow the center of the cue ball and this will return the cue ball to the third diamond or two diamonds back from the starting position. There are of course positions 6-3, 12-1, 12-2 and 12-3 Each number following the clock designation is the number of diamonds the cue ball returns off the tangent line. This is an elegant conceptualization: The student has a numerical system that corresponds with the angle of return for many shots based on the spacing between the table's diamonds.

Of course this system requires one to find the positions for their stroke. When these positions have been determined through practice the student of the game knows what the cue ball will do based on the location of the hit on the vertical axis and can easily learn to move the ball around much of the wagon wheel. With this knowledge of lines of return based on the numerically designated hit, one can place the cue ball in many different places following a shot. Joe does not give locations for other than seven positions mentioned on the cue ball's vertical axis so not all of the Wagon Wheel is incorporated. He would, I assume, use cue ball return off the rail to get to the opposite rail.

Joe does more in his instructional DVD and shows the student how to use the clock face combined with the hit positions above and below center to gain even more control over the cue ball. However, it would not be appropriate to tell all in a review. The serious student will need the DVD.

I was impressed by Joe's natural teaching ability. I have been a college professor for over 25 years and note that many of my colleagues at the University do not have the people skills that Joe has. He is not only likeable; he handles people well to facilitate their learning. This is no mean accomplishment and from what I gather after our telephone discussion he comes by this ability naturally. There are times when his clarity of presentation could be improved but through repetition the message comes through. A verbal script as a basis for his dialog could serve as a basis for his extemporaneous dialog. The presence of the whole Behnke family, their trophies, and their ability to make the shots in his previous video is mute testimony to his teaching skills.

The intent behind the DVD was to repeat a shot several times to impress the ideas on the student. This was not the best idea as some shots are repeated far too many times. It is suggested that the menu system on the DVD could be used to allow a student to return to any particular segment for replay as often as needed by that particular student. No shot should be repeated more than three times.

The lines and graphics were excellent and are very helpful in assisting the student to see exactly what is going on and why. On screen graphics of the cue ball are excellent and should be kept on the screen for the whole segment. The graphic lines the cue ball travels are one of the better aspects of the DVD and are well used to illustrate the lines of travel.

There is more, much more, in Joe's video and I recommend it highly for anyone seeking to learn a truly elegant system for controlling the cue ball.
 
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Very good job of reviewing Lil Joe's DVD's. Rep for JoeW.

Joe is a natural teacher and knows the game. He also thinks in terms of precise methods. Put all these attributes together and you have teaching that will almost guarantee improvement.
 
I agree, nice review jw, and it's cool you watched out for lil joe's interests before going too in-depth. I guess jes's review was useful too but it did seem too negative.

Honestly I doubt all BCA instructors are anywhere near the same, I think they have some flexibility (maybe complete flexibility) in what and how they teach, and the certification is just a recognition you get for teaching a certain number of years and paying your dues. Maybe one of the bca guys can confirm or deny. It's possible there's a guy who teaches just like little joe and is still bca certified.
 
CreeDo said:
I agree, nice review jw, and it's cool you watched out for lil joe's interests before going too in-depth. I guess jes's review was useful too but it did seem too negative.

Honestly I doubt all BCA instructors are anywhere near the same, I think they have some flexibility (maybe complete flexibility) in what and how they teach, and the certification is just a recognition you get for teaching a certain number of years and paying your dues. You are kidding I hope!

Maybe one of the bca guys can confirm or deny. It's possible there's a guy who teaches just like little joe and is still bca certified.[/QUOTEQuite a few


You must be confusing the BCA Program with something else.

I like Lil' Joe's DVD. Very usefull.....SPF=randyg
 
mr.jesdeh2o said:
Over the last three months, I have said that I have been getting lessons from Little Joe. In the last three months, my knowledge and skill in pool has increased tremendously. His systems for kicking and cueball knowledge are truly one of a kind. A lot of these BCA certified instructors teach fundamentals. He teaches knowledge within the game of pool. I have never been to a BCA certified instructor and I never will. They do not teach let alone know what he knows. What I mean by cueball knowledge is that he can teach someone how to move the cueball around the table with exactness. I would have to say that being exact is the most important thing in the game of pool. Being exact is what seperates the good from the best. As you know being exact comes with time practice and experience. Little Joe can provide the tools needed to help someone become exact. I definitely will say that this is by far a better time and money investment then going to a BCA certified instructor who just teaches fundamentals. Knowledge and exactness wins games.

Dear Sir. If you are going to teach how to move the cueball, then you have to teach how to move your cue stick....period....SPF=randyg
 
Sir...If you make an error playing pool, it will be directly related to one of three issues...recognition, alignment, or delivery. What good instructors try to do is clean up a student's delivery FIRST, and this is most likely the culprit, when they can't seem to be consistent. Alignment is a big issue also, but provided the student has built a solid, repeatable setup and delivery of the cuestick (repeatable stroke), that can be easily fixed also. The recognition part is where there is often confusion. Many 'teachers' offer many ways to solve this problem...and with a repeatable stroke they ALL work. Without a repeatable stroke NONE of them work consistently.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

mr.jesdeh2o said:
Over the last three months, I have said that I have been getting lessons from Little Joe. In the last three months, my knowledge and skill in pool has increased tremendously. His systems for kicking and cueball knowledge are truly one of a kind. A lot of these BCA certified instructors teach fundamentals. He teaches knowledge within the game of pool. I have never been to a BCA certified instructor and I never will. They do not teach let alone know what he knows. What I mean by cueball knowledge is that he can teach someone how to move the cueball around the table with exactness. I would have to say that being exact is the most important thing in the game of pool. Being exact is what seperates the good from the best. As you know being exact comes with time practice and experience. Little Joe can provide the tools needed to help someone become exact. I definitely will say that this is by far a better time and money investment then going to a BCA certified instructor who just teaches fundamentals. Knowledge and exactness wins games.
 
Joe's students

Joe didn't make DVD's covering the fundamentals; I suspect because the information is already out there and because it isn't what he most enjoys teaching. However I just watched one of Joe's DVD's again last night paying particular attention to strokes. Every student in the DVD from youngest to oldest has the same smooth clean stroke. Wonder who taught them all that same stroke?

Joe's system would be next to useless without speed control and being able to hit the cue ball very close to where you intend to. That requires the most basic fundamentals. Most of us think that we are past needing tutoring or correction in our fundamentals. We are all wrong. Even the top pro's miss easy shots sometimes. This is always a breakdown in fundamentals, a lapse of concentration, maybe a poor stroke, whatever. If we can make a shot over 90% of the time, there is no reason other than a breakdown in the basics that we can't make it 100% of the time. The stronger our basic building blocks are the less likely they are to crack under pressure. We should never stop working on them.

Hu
 
Well said "Shooting arts". Being better at the basics is probably what separates most of from moving up a level in our play. I am sure it would help mine.
 
JimS said:
I get the impression you think the guy that started this thread is Little Joe in disquise but it's not. Little Joe is listed as littlejoev. He wouldn't post under a false name. He's a stand up guy.


thats 100000000000% true, he wouldnt pull a move like that, I have known him 20 years, we met at Hardtimes in LA 20 years ago-lost touch and got re aquinted here again on AZ.
 
so randy & scott... there isn't as much flexibility as I thought it sounds like with the BCA program? Just curious as to how it works...are you required to go through fundamentals or some other specific things first before you start teaching lil' joe style information? Are you allowed to skip fundamentals if by some miracle a student walks in and pretty much strokes like tony robles?
 
CreeDo...Actually there is incredible flexibility within the BCA Certified Instructor program. Any instructor may teach any way they see fit. What a couple of hundred BCA instructors have learned, is that SPF is a very easy way to formulate and ingrain a repeatable setup and delivery process...both mentally and physically. Even when top pros come to us instructors, it is usually to have their stroke "checked out". A top pro who is experiencing some kind of downturn in their game will often find that it will generally be related to something within their fundamentals.

I will video ANY student...even if they have Tony Roble's stroke quality...and then examine it in stop-action and slow-motion analysis. Sometimes someone just wants to know that what they have or what they're doing is correct! Afterwards it is much easier to work on other needs of the student. Lil' Joe has a great technique to provide some good information. However, without a repeatable stroke it will mean little to the average player, as they won't be able to predictably and consistently shoot the shots.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
What does it take to become a BCA certified instructor? I think the answer to this question could be important to several of us.

Why don't instructors list their accomplishments with regard to their students? It seems that at least some students would give their permission.

Alternatively, it is the instructor's responsibility to follow up on their students' progress, if for no other reason than to improve their own teaching techniques. So it would seem that instructors should be able to give some examples of how well their studnts have done. As a certified instructor their facts could be checked by the accrediting agency when requested.

To me it would be highly useful when selecting an instructor / coach to know that he or she has been successful in the past. I realize that not all students go on to win titles, tournaments or even to improve their game. None-the-less knowing that an instructor has taught xx students for xx hours and that 10 students improved their handicap in a BCA league or in a TAP league by xx would serve to impress upon me the quality of an instructor's teaching. Knowing that an instructor's students have gone on to win 15 state and three national titles would also be impressive.

Why are these things not stated or is it that I don't know where to look?

I would think that some of the champions would be glad to acknowledge their teachers.

To further complicate this issue, I recently bought an ebook by a well advertized individual who also "gives lessons" and has written for a "respected" magazine. The text was overpriced and nothing more than a compilation of prior columns that were not even tied together. While great claims were made, the book is not all that useful to a beginner. Had there been some sort of credentialing agency I could have checked his credentials before spending money. In summary, some sort of statement of a person abilities would be useful.
 
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JoeW said:
What does it take to become a BCA certified instructor? I think the answer to this question could be important to several of us.

The first step is to attend an Academy and hopefully they will recommend you to become a "Recognized" BCA Instructor. Not every one is accepted. This is usually a three day school to get started. This does not include all the continuing education we take.


Why don't instructors list their accomplishments with regard to their students? It seems that at least some students would give their permission.

CUE-TECH's students sound off on all the chat boards quite often.


Alternatively, it is the instructor's responsibility to follow up on their students' progress, if for no other reason than to improve their own teaching techniques. So it would seem that instructors should be able to give some examples of how well their studnts have done. As a certified instructor their facts could be checked by the accrediting agency when requested.

That is what happens.....Exactly.



To me it would be highly useful when selecting an instructor / coach to know that he or she has been successful in the past. I realize that not all students go on to win titles, tournaments or even to improve their game. None-the-less knowing that an instructor has taught xx students for xx hours and that 10 students improved their handicap in a BCA league or in a TAP league by xx would serve to impress upon me the quality of an instructor's teaching. Knowing that an instructor's students have gone on to win 15 state and three national titles would also be impressive.


Call your selections and talk with them in private. You could be very impressed.


Why are these things not stated or is it that I don't know where to look?

Other than our website, it's not common info.

I would think that some of the champions would be glad to acknowledge their teachers.

They do.

To further complicate this issue, I recently bought an ebook by a well advertized individual who also "gives lessons" and has written for a "respected" magazine. The text was overpriced and nothing more than a compilation of prior columns that were not even tied together. While great claims were made, the book is not all that useful to a beginner. Had there been some sort of credentialing agency I could have checked his credentials before spending money. In summary, some sort of statement of a person abilities would be useful.
This will soon be. Our Instructors have a new website coming soon.
 
JoeW said:
What does it take to become a BCA certified instructor? I think the answer to this question could be important to several of us.

Why don't instructors list their accomplishments with regard to their students? It seems that at least some students would give their permission.

Alternatively, it is the instructor's responsibility to follow up on their students' progress, if for no other reason than to improve their own teaching techniques. So it would seem that instructors should be able to give some examples of how well their studnts have done. As a certified instructor their facts could be checked by the accrediting agency when requested.

To me it would be highly useful when selecting an instructor / coach to know that he or she has been successful in the past. I realize that not all students go on to win titles, tournaments or even to improve their game. None-the-less knowing that an instructor has taught xx students for xx hours and that 10 students improved their handicap in a BCA league or in a TAP league by xx would serve to impress upon me the quality of an instructor's teaching. Knowing that an instructor's students have gone on to win 15 state and three national titles would also be impressive.

Why are these things not stated or is it that I don't know where to look?

I would think that some of the champions would be glad to acknowledge their teachers.

To further complicate this issue, I recently bought an ebook by a well advertized individual who also "gives lessons" and has written for a "respected" magazine. The text was overpriced and nothing more than a compilation of prior columns that were not even tied together. While great claims were made, the book is not all that useful to a beginner. Had there been some sort of credentialing agency I could have checked his credentials before spending money. In summary, some sort of statement of a person abilities would be useful.

JoeW...It is up to you if you want testamonials from any particular instructor's students. YOU have to ask...I have listed many on my website, for anyone to see and contact. Many more have made mention of their positive experiences here and on other pool forums.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
JoeW...like Scott, I have student testimonials on my web site, and if you want to speak to some of my former students, I will be happy to put you in touch with them.
My business comes primarily from referrals from past students. When I have a student for a weekend, I want them to see the results of their work. I also want others to see the improvement. When there is a significant change in someone's game, others usually want to know what they did. I want my students to be happy to tell them what they learned in my class.
I will also be happy to give examples of skill level changes of some of my students during the initial consultation, if asked.
Steve
 
Thank you Randy but your answers were only somewhat helpful as indicated below:
Randy's answer in red, my follow up is italicized.

Originally Posted by JoeW
What does it take to become a BCA certified instructor? I think the answer to this question could be important to several of us.

The first step is to attend an Academy and hopefully they will recommend you to become a "Recognized" BCA Instructor. Not every one is accepted. This is usually a three day school to get started. This does not include all the continuing education we take.

What happens at an academy? Most importantly, what is the process or how are instructors evaluated for certification?
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Why don't instructors list their accomplishments with regard to their students? It seems that at least some students would give their permission.

CUE-TECH's students sound off on all the chat boards quite often.

It would seem that the school should list its accomplishments for all to see. To require the potential student to search out your students is not helpful to the potential student. It would be better if you (the hypothetical instructor not Randy specifically) listed people I could contact or had a statement from these people on their accomplishments as a way to assist the potential studen) decide that they want to attend your school. Why isn?t this done? At the university we are more than pleased to give out names and phone numbers of past graduates who are willing to talk with students.
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Alternatively, it is the instructor's responsibility to follow up on their students' progress, if for no other reason than to improve their own teaching techniques. So it would seem that instructors should be able to give some examples of how well their students have done. As a certified instructor their facts could be checked by the accrediting agency when requested.

That is what happens.....Exactly.

Then why isn?t this information published where a potential student could find it?

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To me it would be highly useful when selecting an instructor / coach to know that he or she has been successful in the past. I realize that not all students go on to win titles, tournaments or even to improve their game. None-the-less knowing that an instructor has taught xx students for xx hours and that 10 students improved their handicap in a BCA league or in a TAP league by xx would serve to impress upon me the quality of an instructor's teaching. Knowing that an instructor's students have gone on to win 15 state and three national titles would also be impressive.


Call your selections and talk with them in private. You could be very impressed.

Without knowing who your students are I cannot call them so this answer is not helpful. I am not trying to invade anyone?s privacy in this matter but simply think that such information should be readily available.

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Why are these things not stated or is it that I don't know where to look?

Other than our website, it's not common info.

Why not? The lack of availability leads me to think that some sort of subterfuge is afoot. Believe me; I would be more than happy to refer people to a particular school if I knew how effective the school was in its educational process.

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I would think that some of the champions would be glad to acknowledge their teachers.

They do.

I know of no one who does. Perhaps you could name a few regardless of their instructor / coach. Seems that I have I have heard a few professional players state that Grady M was a good coach and helped improve their game. But no one comes to mind.

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To further complicate this issue, I recently bought an ebook by a well advertized individual who also "gives lessons" and has written for a "respected" magazine. The text was overpriced and nothing more than a compilation of prior columns that were not even tied together. While great claims were made, the book is not all that useful to a beginner. Had there been some sort of credentialing agency I could have checked his credentials before spending money. In summary, some sort of statement of a person abilities would be useful.

This will soon be. Our Instructors have a new website coming soon.

Glad to hear this. Can you be more specific?
 
Thank you to those who stated that their students accomplishments are listed ontheir web sites. This is gratifying to hear. I suppose that one needs a listing of BCA certified instructors web sites. There probably is one but I don't have it.

I did visit a couple of instructors' web site and found testimonials but not accomplishments. I would suggest that those who can list their students accomplishments are furhter ahead in acquiring students.

I did find this site
http://www.bca-pool.com/cgi/site/play.cilist.cgi
but it does not give instructors web sites. It does however contain an email address for many so this could be the first approach. I suggest gentlemen, there is much to be done. And, please understand that I mean that in a very friendly way:o
 
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mr.jesdeh2o said:
Over the last three months, I have said that I have been getting lessons from Little Joe. In the last three months, my knowledge and skill in pool has increased tremendously. His systems for kicking and cueball knowledge are truly one of a kind. A lot of these BCA certified instructors teach fundamentals. He teaches knowledge within the game of pool. I have never been to a BCA certified instructor and I never will. They do not teach let alone know what he knows. What I mean by cueball knowledge is that he can teach someone how to move the cueball around the table with exactness. I would have to say that being exact is the most important thing in the game of pool. Being exact is what seperates the good from the best. As you know being exact comes with time practice and experience. Little Joe can provide the tools needed to help someone become exact. I definitely will say that this is by far a better time and money investment then going to a BCA certified instructor who just teaches fundamentals. Knowledge and exactness wins games.


On the subject of "systems" in general, I remember reading in "McGoorty" about Hoppe and the diamond system outlined in his book. McGoortys says, "Not only did Hoppe not use the diamond system, he had nothing to do with developing it... Guys like Hoppe, Cochran, and Schaefer, they knew the table so well, all the angles, all the returns, they didn't need to use any system. They could get four out of two by elevating the cue a little and putting a touch of masse on the ball. The system? What system? **** the system."

Lou Figueroa
 
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