pool meusium

[Cuaba]

Pool's Patron

I have known Eric Petersen since he was a pool scuff trying to make a dollar. He was a pretty sharp kid twenty years ago, when he was running with big John Morton, who posted here regularly (Rude Dog) until he passed away a couple of years ago.

Eric dropped off the pool map for a good fifteen years and when he resurfaced he had become quite wealthy. He showed up at a tournament in Los Angeles and immediately demonstrated that he was free spender, buying cues and other billiard materials. Since then he has managed to almost single handedly prop up the rare cue market buying literally hundreds of thousand of dollars in high end cues.

He has also helped out many well known players who had a case of the shorts, if you know what I mean. And I'm talking serious money here, like 10K a pop. And more in some cases, with only a handshake as a bond. In addition when many pro players come to events in Vegas, they have a free place to stay (at his version of Motel 6) and even a car to drive. This helps them defray their expenses greatly. He was also generous in hosting dinners with many pool players. I never saw him fail to pick up the check.

Eric has also staked several prominent players in tournaments and action games. In other words he is a full fledged dues paying member of the pro pool fraternity. At least IMO he is. And we do know he added $4,000 to the first Fatboy Challenge last month, and promised to double it next year.

It is true that he has not yet done many of the things he would like to do in the pool world. I think the declining economy has affected Eric just like it has most everyone else. I do believe his heart is in the right place and he wants to do more for the sport, and he probably will when he can turn things around on a personal level. As far as his past businesses, I just don't think that discussion is relevant or belongs on here. How many of us would like to see our past dredged up for review?

Eric has been troubled with various pain medications that he needed to control his SEVERE back pain. He seems to have turned a corner here as well. Yes, he has a temper. Don't we all? No one likes to be accused of things and belittled for their efforts. I know I have been pretty ticked off on here a few times myself.

That's about all I have to say on this subject. Personally, I think the pool world is better off by having Eric Petersen be part of it. As far as I'm concerned he can stay as long as he likes and leave whenever he wants. Unlike some others who have made big promises to pool players, Eric makes good on his bills, and when he says he will pay he does. My experience has been if he says the money is good, then it is! And that's good enough for me.

Many fields have patrons, people who donate because they love the cause. City Symphonies, art galleries, food pantries, etc. have patrons who financially support their causes.

Eric has supported pool because he loves the game, and the game needs people like that.

It will take a true patron to elevate the game to where it should be.

 

[realkingcobra]

Jay,

When fatboy constantly boasts about his money and makes light of other's accomplishments while claiming they would love to be like him it is only fair to point out just where the money comes from and that many others have absolutely no interest in achieving wealth by taking advantage of others.

I had a string of successful businesses. Every one of them was built on giving fair value for every dollar I received. Since you know eric and his history so well, can you say the same is true of him?

Many on here have health issues that make eric's pale in comparison. That hasn't given any of them special privilege here. Have I missed something about pain or drug use giving us the right to type anything we please?

eric has chosen to attack me publicly and privately. I won't attack him in return, make insane rants, or type filthy messages in public or private. I will shine the light of day on him and his actions whenever I choose. Nobody else on this forum gets a free pass. Nobody else on this forum has spread quite as much BS as eric has nor has anyone at all posted as sick of garbage as he has posted without being banned. Is there some reason I don't know about that he should get a free pass with nobody able to respond to his BS when no other poster gets a free pass?

Hu

You didn't have your facts right about me before you started attacking me here on AZ, I wonder if you have your facts right about Fatboy, as I know him personally...do you?

Glen

 

[1pocket]

I would like to add my voice to those that appreciate the contributions that Eric has been making and continues to make to pool, despite a down-turn in the economy.

I am reminded of the old saying something like, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Pool has had such an unfortunate history of infighting, imo, going back at least a hundred years. Where someone or some group or some promoter tries to do something and like clockwork, someone else (sadly, usually from right in the pool community) is compelled to go to war for one reason or other, and next thing you know, their effort collapses.

When do we begin to stand together with those who are trying to do something for pool, instead of cutting them down?

 

[ShootingArts]

I only know what he has written

You didn't have your facts right about me before you started attacking me here on AZ, I wonder if you have your facts right about Fatboy, as I know him personally...do you?

Glen

Glen,

I noted you didn't dispute any of the things I wrote about your manner of doing business much preferring wild attacks like fatboy makes or silence. Hard to argue constructively against the truth. fatboy is in the same boat as you were so he is left with the same options: Bombast, spin, evasion, or silence.

All I know about fatboy is what he has written and some of what is available in any search. If fatboy has lied in his writing, well then no I don't know the things that aren't a matter of public record. Are you stating that fatboy is a habitual liar?

Hu

 

[realkingcobra]

Glen,

I noted you didn't dispute any of the things I wrote about your manner of doing business much preferring wild attacks like fatboy makes or silence. Hard to argue constructively against the truth. fatboy is in the same boat as you were so he is left with the same options: Bombast, spin, evasion, or silence.

All I know about fatboy is what he has written and some of what is available in any search. If fatboy has lied in his writing, well then no I don't know the things that aren't a matter of public record. Are you stating that fatboy is a habitual liar?

Hu

Eric may be a lot of things. but one thing he's not, and that is he's not a liar. You on the other hand, have a tendency to want to attack people you don't agree with...or care to like. Like Fatboy, I"m working to change this industry for the better, as I don't really care to much for the road everyone seems to have taken for the future of our sport of pool. You, and others like you, do nothing but run your mouth at those who talk about bringing changes...if you don't agree with them. You attacked me without facts, I corrected you with facts, showed you you were wrong, yet you still were not man enough to admit you were wrong, and therefore never did give apologies for your wrongly informed statements. As far as I'm concerned, you showed your true colors when you did that.

I have something going with Fatboy, that when finished will bring a major corporate sponsor to this sport...because I bring a way for the sponsor to make millions of dollars in return for sponsorship, unlike everyone else that seems to just think sponsors should just give away their money for the support of this sport, so that others might benefit, kind of like a welfare system of support.

I could have gone in business with others, but I felt that Fatboy was the best choice because of his past record of supporting this sport. I strongly believe, as well as Fatboy feels the same way too, in order to straighten out this industry, you have to start from the bottom and work your way up, and that means getting the mechanics straightened out first, then bring in the corporate sponsor.

Enough wasted talk over this, as it still will not change your mind, as you have it made up already about Fatboy, all I can say...is don't bet against him when it comes to changing the way pool is in the future

Glen

 

[JoeyA]

Eric may be a lot of things. but one thing he's not, and that is he's not a liar. You on the other hand, have a tendency to want to attack people you don't agree with...or care to like. Like Fatboy, I"m working to change this industry for the better, as I don't really care to much for the road everyone seems to have taken for the future of our sport of pool. You, and others like you, do nothing but run your mouth at those who talk about bringing changes...if you don't agree with them. You attacked me without facts, I corrected you with facts, showed you you were wrong, yet you still were not man enough to admit you were wrong, and therefore never did give apologies for your wrongly informed statements. As far as I'm concerned, you showed your true colors when you did that.

I have something going with Fatboy, that when finished will bring a major corporate sponsor to this sport...because I bring a way for the sponsor to make millions of dollars in return for sponsorship, unlike everyone else that seems to just think sponsors should just give away their money for the support of this sport, so that others might benefit, kind of like a welfare system of support.

I could have gone in business with others, but I felt that Fatboy was the best choice because of his past record of supporting this sport. I strongly believe, as well as Fatboy feels the same way too, in order to straighten out this industry, you have to start from the bottom and work your way up, and that means getting the mechanics straightened out first, then bring in the corporate sponsor.

Enough wasted talk over this, as it still will not change your mind, as you have it made up already about Fatboy, all I can say...is don't bet against him when it comes to changing the way pool is in the future

Glen

Glen,
I seldom take issue with pizzing contests between posters. It happens with the best of posters. I don't even remember reading about you and Hu having issues but it doesn't matter as no two posters see eye to eye on every subject and I'm not interested in reading about the history of it either. I've even seen you and others (besides Hu) becoming testy with one another, so it can happen with the best of posters.

Hu is one of AZ's finest posters and offers great valuable insight into many different aspects of pool and what it takes to compete at a very high level in other sports as well as pool. When Hu writes I pay attention because he writes based upon his experience, not any vengeance trip or ego trip that one might think he is on. On occasion, Hu may be pushed to defend himself and even counter-attack, I have never seen him attack anyone without provocation.

As to some of your other remarks, they too are your own personal perspective and I respect that. There is a big difference between talking about doing something and actually doing it and I think some people just get tired of hearing the rhetoric and not seeing any results even slightly resembling the rhetoric.

IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU AND FATBOY DEVELOP A PARTNERSHIP TO BRING POOL OUT OF ITS LETHARGY, TO HELP PROFESSIONAL POOL PLAYERS TO MAKE A DECENT LIVING AND I AND EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM INCLUDING HU, WISH YOU THE GREATEST SUCCESS.

That being said, I remember my dad telling me at an early age some sage advice that has withstood the test of time: "Don't tell me, SHOW ME!"

JoeyA (and of course my opinion counts for very little as I am only one member of this forum as you and everyone else is)

 

[ShootingArts]

Without what facts????

.... You attacked me without facts, I corrected you with facts, showed you you were wrong, yet you still were not man enough to admit you were wrong, and therefore never did give apologies for your wrongly informed statements. As far as I'm concerned, you showed your true colors when you did that. ...

Glen

Without what facts?

Actually when I pointed out that you still intended to ignore DOT regulations you were silent and then went crying to the mod's about big bad Hu picking on poor little Glen. You should get your story straight. One thing you share with fatboy is your love of rewriting history.

Do you even forget your first response to eric's BS in this thread starter?

Fatboy...are you taking them pain killers again

Glen, the "Realkingcobra"

Your desire to get in a few shots at me when you aren't alone is clouding what little judgment you have.

Hu

 

[ShootingArts]

thanks

Joey,

Thanks. I have supported real efforts to benefit pool, not only with my words but with my cash.

Hu

Glen,
I seldom take issue with pizzing contests between posters. It happens with the best of posters. I don't even remember reading about you and Hu having issues but it doesn't matter as no two posters see eye to eye on every subject and I'm not interested in reading about the history of it either. I've even seen you and others (besides Hu) becoming testy with one another, so it can happen with the best of posters.

Hu is one of AZ's finest posters and offers great valuable insight into many different aspects of pool and what it takes to compete at a very high level in other sports as well as pool. When Hu writes I pay attention because he writes based upon his experience, not any vengeance trip or ego trip that one might think he is on. On occasion, Hu may be pushed to defend himself and even counter-attack, I have never seen him attack anyone without provocation.

As to some of your other remarks, they too are your own personal perspective and I respect that. There is a big difference between talking about doing something and actually doing it and I think some people just get tired of hearing the rhetoric and not seeing any results even slightly resembling the rhetoric.

IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU AND FATBOY DEVELOP A PARTNERSHIP TO BRING POOL OUT OF ITS LETHARGY, TO HELP PROFESSIONAL POOL PLAYERS TO MAKE A DECENT LIVING AND I AND EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM INCLUDING HU, WISH YOU THE GREATEST SUCCESS.

That being said, I remember my dad telling me at an early age some sage advice that has withstood the test of time: "Don't tell me, SHOW ME!"

JoeyA (and of course my opinion counts for very little as I am only one member of this forum as you and everyone else is)

 

[jcommie]

When it comes to words Fatboy may proclaim himself to be Efren, but he sure is a banger when it comes to spelling/grammar.

 

[Josh Palmer]

When it comes to words Fatboy may proclaim himself to be Efren, but he sure is a banger when it comes to spelling/grammar.

He also has one of the biggest hearts out there, and is a good person all the way through.

 

[pro9dg]

Eric, I have'nt got the attention span to decipher your opening post on this thread. But all I want to know is what sort of public access will there be to your museum.

If the items are able to be seen by a reasonable volume of people then I have many objects of cuesports memorabilia - posters, photographs, magazines, clothing, equipment etc, which I have collected over the past 30 years. I will GIVE many of these items to you if you would like them.
They cover snooker, pool, carom, bar billiards and are a comprehensive collection from the cue game.

But I don't want them to be used in a Behind Closed Doors scenario.

Let me know if this is of interest to you.

Doug G

 

[Solartje]

Eric,

I remember this meusium idea of yours isn't somthing new. I remember you commented on one of my posts about antique european cue's, saying you would love to have a huge display with some of the nicest cue's.

If with time the finances get better, and you are breaking even again and get options again, I think you should continue this dream for personal interest and not for a commercial interest.

If anything, what makes antique's interesting is the increase in value, but not the commercialisation of them. I don't think your meusium could ever be profitable if set up alone. It see it more as a complimentary thing. An added value to something that exists.

If your mariage place, will hosts many tournaments, classes etc, i think its the perfect place to build en extension to it, and setup the meusium there. People wont drive a full day to come see the meusium alone.(not many antique lovers out there). And with the lack of places to show nice antiques, the younger generation dont have many stimuli to learn about the history of the game.
But if there was a tournament/classes AND a meusium the added value would make the place stand out compared to other places.

In england, the wembley tournament atracts the most croud, and the "antique" room probably is one of the reasons that makes it special.

I would see the meusium as an investment with increase of around 10%/year on each item of the collection. (thats an average based on personal experience, and experience i rescieved of other collectioners before i started collecting.) If you build a place to display them all, and have a collection big enough (you are talking about a cuecollection of 3M $, that collection will be worth 6M in 10years. The 3M you earned could be enough to pay for the expenses. (no idea about the exact math, but if the collection is big enough, it could pay for itself.)

A place that hosts tournament, that ass added value have:
- A fixed base for a table mechanic/repair like glenn.
- A place that has all the material to make professional broadcasting of tournaments/ instructional dvd's etc...
- A place that hosts poolschools
- A place that has a meusium, with all the nicest items of the games history
- A place that could build a elite pooltable. in the line of the antique JM brunswick or HW collender tables. Tables that are inlayed with gold, with many many months of craftmanship, build by hand, with the best of the best material. Your own pooltable line.
- it might even be the perfect spot to make a new poolmovie from the old days. It would be the perfect setting. Imagine seeing a Shane play one of the older hall of fames for 10k on a antique JM brunswick table.


THAT would be a cool place. because they offer all these things together.
I'm pritty sure that stand alone, they arent strong enough to make it a profitable business. Its the combined service that makes it atractive.

for example on your wedding place. (i dont know the details) but it could for example offer as added valueaka if you book the room, you could get a package deal where you pay 1 price for: the room +++
- wedding planer
- profesional photografers
- someone who would take care of the wedding presents list
- dancing lessons for the couple
- All inn honeymoon trips in corporation with several traveling agencies (making promotion for your place)
etc etc.. the list is endless.


(on the other hand, history isn't about profit. It's about preserving the memory and giving credits to the persons who deserve it. If i had your bankrole, i would do it, no matter if I lose money on it on the long wrong. If people like you don't do anything to preserve the history, the game will never regain his status it had in the 1700's... The game was played by elite people, kings, high ranked military persons, high society. Maybe by showing this to the world, could the game get his status back.)

just my 0.2c and some food for the mind.

IF anything, business is all about timing

I wish you the best Eric, and i hope the wedding business will start running profitable, and that the bankrole will alow you to realise new dreams soon.

thanks for taking time to post this solartje but the pissing contest beat you fair and square :boring2:

 

[frankwhite]

I have known Eric Petersen since he was a pool scuff trying to make a dollar. He was a pretty sharp kid twenty years ago, when he was running with big John Morton, who posted here regularly (Rude Dog) until he passed away a couple of years ago.

Eric dropped off the pool map for a good fifteen years and when he resurfaced he had become quite wealthy. He showed up at a tournament in Los Angeles and immediately demonstrated that he was free spender, buying cues and other billiard materials. Since then he has managed to almost single handedly prop up the rare cue market buying literally hundreds of thousand of dollars in high end cues.

He has also helped out many well known players who had a case of the shorts, if you know what I mean. And I'm talking serious money here, like 10K a pop. And more in some cases, with only a handshake as a bond. In addition when many pro players come to events in Vegas, they have a free place to stay (at his version of Motel 6) and even a car to drive. This helps them defray their expenses greatly. He was also generous in hosting dinners with many pool players. I never saw him fail to pick up the check.

Eric has also staked several prominent players in tournaments and action games. In other words he is a full fledged dues paying member of the pro pool fraternity. At least IMO he is. And we do know he added $4,000 to the first Fatboy Challenge last month, and promised to double it next year.

It is true that he has not yet done many of the things he would like to do in the pool world. I think the declining economy has affected Eric just like it has most everyone else. I do believe his heart is in the right place and he wants to do more for the sport, and he probably will when he can turn things around on a personal level. As far as his past businesses, I just don't think that discussion is relevant or belongs on here. How many of us would like to see our past dredged up for review?

Eric has been troubled with various pain medications that he needed to control his SEVERE back pain. He seems to have turned a corner here as well. Yes, he has a temper. Don't we all? No one likes to be accused of things and belittled for their efforts. I know I have been pretty ticked off on here a few times myself.

That's about all I have to say on this subject. Personally, I think the pool world is better off by having Eric Petersen be part of it. As far as I'm concerned he can stay as long as he likes and leave whenever he wants. Unlike some others who have made big promises to pool players, Eric makes good on his bills, and when he says he will pay he does. My experience has been if he says the money is good, then it is! And that's good enough for me.

Jay, if you would i would love to chime in here, if you don't mind. I only know you from this forum and through what
Kieth McCready tells me, who is by the way like a uncle to me. Matter of fact I call him my uncle thats how close i am to him. Anyway i shot Mr. Peterson a e-mail asking him if he would be able to help me in the working world. I know he knows many people and just by chance i gave it a shot.
Well it was no more then 2 hrs. and I received a reply explaining his position, which he did not have to do, but he did. Eric promised me that if something came up he would get back to me, and just for that jestor(sp) I think I have made a new friend, regardless if something would be done or not.
So what Im trying to say here is that Eric is a stand up guy and I hope to meet up w/ him one day out on the tourny trail.
Frankie
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[jay helfert]

Jay, if you would i would love to chime in here, if you don't mind. I only know you from this forum and through what
Kieth McCready tells me, who is by the way like a uncle to me. Matter of fact I call him my uncle thats how close i am to him. Anyway i shot Mr. Peterson a e-mail asking him if he would be able to help me in the working world. I know he knows many people and just by chance i gave it a shot.
Well it was no more then 2 hrs. and I received a reply explaining his position, which he did not have to do, but he did. Eric promised me that if something came up he would get back to me, and just for that jestor(sp) I think I have made a new friend, regardless if something would be done or not.
So what Im trying to say here is that Eric is a stand up guy and I hope to meet up w/ him one day out on the tourny trail.
Frankie
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Keith an Uncle. That's a laugh! God bless you is all I have to say if Keith is your Uncle.

I'm just kidding by the way. Keith knows I love him. I just can't imagine him being called Uncle. It's like seeing Keith walking down the street with a dog. I swear I'll drop dead if I ever see that.

 

[frankwhite]

Jay,

When fatboy constantly boasts about his money and makes light of other's accomplishments while claiming they would love to be like him it is only fair to point out just where the money comes from and that many others have absolutely no interest in achieving wealth by taking advantage of others.

I had a string of successful businesses. Every one of them was built on giving fair value for every dollar I received. Since you know eric and his history so well, can you say the same is true of him?

Many on here have health issues that make eric's pale in comparison. That hasn't given any of them special privilege here. Have I missed something about pain or drug use giving us the right to type anything we please?

eric has chosen to attack me publicly and privately. I won't attack him in return, make insane rants, or type filthy messages in public or private. I will shine the light of day on him and his actions whenever I choose. Nobody else on this forum gets a free pass. Nobody else on this forum has spread quite as much BS as eric has nor has anyone at all posted as sick of garbage as he has posted without being banned. Is there some reason I don't know about that he should get a free pass with nobody able to respond to his BS when no other poster gets a free pass?

Hu

Shooting Arts you say "FREEPASS" like if your in the MOB. I thought this forum was made so people can express there feelings both pool and personal.
Frankie,New York

 

[frankwhite]

Keith an Uncle. That's a laugh! God bless you is all I have to say if Keith is your Uncle.

I'm just kidding by the way. Keith knows I love him. I just can't imagine him being called Uncle. It's like seeing Keith walking down the street with a dog. I swear I'll drop dead if I ever see that.

Well, not to much of a laugh JAY .....I really do call him my uncle, and it's all out of how much I love him, as he know's already. I am very, close to both Kieth and Jenny. I even say Jenny is my aunt. I love them both. Kieth has done lots for me over the years w/ just his knowledge alone, and NOT all billiards related. I know Kieth that to many dont know, except maybe you and a very other few.

And Jay!!!!!!!! Yes God bless me, being his nephew because I love Kieth more then any family memeber that I have, and for whatever that is worth it's lots more then POOL, and/or MONEY my friend.........

Frankie

 

[jay helfert]

Well, not to much of a laugh JAY .....I really do call him my uncle, and it's all out of how much I love him, as he know's already. I am very, close to both Kieth and Jenny. I even say Jenny is my aunt. I love them both. Kieth has done lots for me over the years w/ just his knowledge alone, and NOT all billiards related. I know Kieth that to many dont know, except maybe you and a very other few.

And Jay!!!!!!!! Yes God bless me, being his nephew because I love Kieth more then any family memeber that I have, and for whatever that is worth it's lots more then POOL, and/or MONEY my friend.........

Frankie

You're getting awful mushy there Frankie. Warms my heart though. I wouldn't even know how to categorize my relationship with him, only to say it's unique. I do miss the little brat and hope he shows his face somewhere soon. He sure does liven up the party wherever he goes!

 

[frankwhite]

You're getting awful mushy there Frankie. Warms my heart though. I wouldn't even know how to categorize my relationship with him, only to say it's unique. I do miss the little brat and hope he shows his face somewhere soon. He sure does liven up the party wherever he goes!

He sure does Mr. Helfelt, Im a lil mushy myself writting this. At first I got a lil nervous because I thiught you did not mean well with your response. But after I read down the line, thank god you meant no harm. I hate to have problems on this internet thing. I love to make friends, esspecially ones that are not from the NewYork area.
Well today is a great day for me!!!!!! I finally met you, and last nite I met Eric. What a great day. I will wait for Kieth to rise and shine and tell him we were talking bout him...:thumbup:

PS - Myself and Eric have something in common..."WE CANT SPELL"......LOL LOL

Se ya later Mr. Helfelt,
Frankie

 

[jay helfert]

He sure does Mr. Helfelt, Im a lil mushy myself writting this. At first I got a lil nervous because I thiught you did not mean well with your response. But after I read down the line, thank god you meant no harm. I hate to have problems on this internet thing. I love to make friends, esspecially ones that are not from the NewYork area.
Well today is a great day for me!!!!!! I finally met you, and last nite I met Eric. What a great day. I will wait for Kieth to rise and shine and tell him we were talking bout him...:thumbup:

PS - Myself and Eric have something in common..."WE CANT SPELL"......LOL LOL

Se ya later Mr. Helfelt,
Frankie

I'll tell you one thing Frankie. If you do everything Keith tells you to do, you just might turn out to be a helluva player. He's one pretty smart cat when it comes to pool. There's a lot of wisdom between those ears.

 

[frankwhite]

I'll tell you one thing Frankie. If you do everything Keith tells you to do, you just might turn out to be a helluva player. He's one pretty smart cat when it comes to pool. There's a lot of wisdom between those ears.

Thank you, but I always like to keep our relatioanship FAR away from pool. I mean he tells me storys and shows me a few things here and there but I would never want him to think that I love him because he is a ledgend in pool or something. I think you no what I mean. From what he told me bout you, you aint to shabby(SP) on the knowledge thing also.

I mean I go to local tournys w/ him and we meet up and $hit like that, but I just LOVE being w/ him. Weather were at a tourny, eating dinner or at the "RACETRACK".........

If you don't mind while were bull$hitting, Me, Jenny, Kieth and a friend of mine went to a OTB in Philly one time at a tourny. We could'nt make no game at the poolhall so we decided to hit the off betting joint.
WELL..........We are all dead nuts empty, I have a hun, Kieth got a hun, and my boy has 50. Now mind you I no nothing when it comes to horses, riding, betting ect. So we get there and we aint feeling to much pain , so Kiether goes Frankie send it all in on the 5 horse in the last race. So I go to the window and place the bet, which I have no iedea how to even place a bet. So I scream over to Kieth and say really loud, "What the hell you want me to bet" he replies send it all in to WIN. $250....Ok, so I get my ticket we all get ANOTHER drink and get ready to sweat this race. I think if we win its about 3500 or so but not exactly sure. Anyway, the bell sounds and the horses are out the gate....It was one of those carridge races, you no! So he's yelling from the back...FRANKIE, FRANKIE, FRANKIE how we doing, I said were bout 7 lenths in front we got a shot. Sooooooooo, here we go round the last turn, FRANKIE how we doing, I said Kieth I dont see our horse were the f_ _ ck is this horse, he was just in front by like 7 lenths....Well low and behold 50 feet from the finish line the fu-kin wheel falls of the carridge and we wind up loosing at least a 5dime winner bet....................LOL......................LOL
He didnt talk to me for the rest of the weekend LOL..........LOL..........LOL
I really LOVE him..........

FRankie