Kevin Lindstrom said:
I doubt that Joe has any more clout with ESPN than you do. They would just blow him off, like they have done to me when I made suggestions to them in the past.
They don't want to hear it, and they don't care!
Pool on TV, claps for every shot?
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I doubt that Joe has any more clout with ESPN than you do. They would just blow him off, like they have done to me when I made suggestions to them in the past.
They don't want to hear it, and they don't care!
ESPN doesn't have anything to do with it. At least as Steve Tipton explained it to me at one event.
The WPBA pays an independent production company to tape the events. Then the WPBA gives the tapes to ESPN for free. Then ESPN owns them and does whatever they want with them i.e., run them whenever, or don't run them at all.
Also, Steve Tipton is the one getting the crowd worked up into a frenzy. He gives a whole list of specific instructions before the taping, then he stands off camera and signals when to applaud by waving his mic. Very orchestrated, un-natural, & fake IMO. If you've been at a WPBA event you know exactly what I'm talking about.
Maybe they should take a few production tips from the europeans, or even the dreaded IPT.
The WPBA pays an independent production company to tape the events. Then the WPBA gives the tapes to ESPN for free. Then ESPN owns them and does whatever they want with them i.e., run them whenever, or don't run them at all.
Also, Steve Tipton is the one getting the crowd worked up into a frenzy. He gives a whole list of specific instructions before the taping, then he stands off camera and signals when to applaud by waving his mic. Very orchestrated, un-natural, & fake IMO. If you've been at a WPBA event you know exactly what I'm talking about.
Maybe they should take a few production tips from the europeans, or even the dreaded IPT.
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Joe Rogan said:I was watching some pool on tv tonight, and after a while I just got annoyed by all the clapping for every single shot, especially for easy ones.
I think sinking the 9 to end a game deserves applause, but there's something really distracting and silly about someone shooting a hanger and getting a big round of applause from the tv audience. In my opinion, it just makes the whole thing look goofy. My girlfriend, who already makes fun of me for watching pool on tv was even joking about it.
Whoever is responsible for that aspect of the television production, if you read the az forums, I think I can speak for everyone when I say, PLEASE cut the shit
Are you the same Joe Rogan that commentates(sp) for UFC and does stand up comedy?
Joe Rogan said:I was watching some pool on tv tonight, and after a while I just got annoyed by all the clapping for every single shot, especially for easy ones.
I think sinking the 9 to end a game deserves applause, but there's something really distracting and silly about someone shooting a hanger and getting a big round of applause from the tv audience. In my opinion, it just makes the whole thing look goofy. My girlfriend, who already makes fun of me for watching pool on tv was even joking about it.
Whoever is responsible for that aspect of the television production, if you read the az forums, I think I can speak for everyone when I say, PLEASE cut the shit
This is the entire reason I don't watch pool on TV anymore. I didn't really notice it until a few years back when somebody mentioned it to me. From there, it was all downhill from watching pool on TV.
Tim5000 said:
To paraphrase a line from an old '60s anti-war poster ("What if they had a war and nobody came?"), "What if Steve called for applause and nobody appauded?"
Yeah...I have even seen someone luck a ball in and then hook themself and get an applause.
The one thing that irritated me the most was watching a match (I think it was Loree Jon Jones vs Mike Sigel) where Kevin Treadu (sp?) was commentary and kept saying stuff like, referring to a shot just made "to the ameteurs at home, there's no way you could make a shot like that". It was ameteur this and ameteur that...man it really got to me.
The one thing that irritated me the most was watching a match (I think it was Loree Jon Jones vs Mike Sigel) where Kevin Treadu (sp?) was commentary and kept saying stuff like, referring to a shot just made "to the ameteurs at home, there's no way you could make a shot like that". It was ameteur this and ameteur that...man it really got to me.
Tim5000 said:
This is true. The same production company has been making (and butchering) these shows for years. Too bad is all I have to say about that. I'd much rather watch an Accu-Stats tape.
Tim5000 said:
Then it sounds like (especially with Jay's corroboration of this post), it's Steve Tipton who's responsible for making the audience clap after every shot. Surely Steve knows when the shot is routine and when it's especially impressive. Does anyone on here have contact with him, and can tell him that it cheapens the great shots to force the audience to give a half-hearted ovation after a short stop-shot? He could, if he knew how annoying it was to the viewers and how insulting it was to the players, only tell the audience to applaud when the shot warrants it.
Surely someone reading this agrees and has contact with Steve Tipton. Rackmsuckr? SJM? Other WPBA-associated or formerly associated folks? WBM, maybe talk to Jeannette Lee?
-Andrew
I think ESPN has a person with a light or a sign telling the audience to clap when they tell them to. Clapping when someone sinks a ball sitting in the pocket drives me up the wall. I agree with some applause for a super shot or for winning a tough rack, but clapping after every shot is insane and a total lack of knowledge shown by the audience. I can't watch ESPN's pool telecast unless i turn the sound way down or off. It's the worst pool commentary I can imagine.
Andrew Manning said:
I'm done making suggestions to these people. If they haven't figured it out yet, then shame on them.
I'm working on producing my own television show. It hasn't been easy and I've encountered roadblocks all along the way. But I'm not giving up quite yet. We have a great show. It's just not so easy to get something on the air.
I'm guessing that, most likely, you were watching women's pool. I have no idea when (or why) it became the standard to clap for every shot, but the television audience at the women's events always does that. I think most people, like yourself, find it pretty ridiculous. They clap when someone sh*ts a ball in! It's a joke. Between the clapping for every stop shot and Mitch Lawrence's commentating, I usually just hit the mute button if I'm going to watch a women's match on TV. It makes it much more enjoyable.
Joe Rogan said:I was watching some pool on tv tonight, and after a while I just got annoyed by all the clapping for every single shot, especially for easy ones.
I think sinking the 9 to end a game deserves applause, but there's something really distracting and silly about someone shooting a hanger and getting a big round of applause from the tv audience. In my opinion, it just makes the whole thing look goofy. My girlfriend, who already makes fun of me for watching pool on tv was even joking about it.
Whoever is responsible for that aspect of the television production, if you read the az forums, I think I can speak for everyone when I say, PLEASE cut the shit
Regarding my previous post about Steve Tipton (which Jay corroborated) Steve doesn't order the applause after each shot. Rather, he gets the audience very worked up before the match by telling them that they MUST sound excited for the camera.
I think it would be something that the WPBA would need to make a decision on. I'm sure they could change the procedure. And I'm sure there is at least one WPBA member on this forum that could help get this accomplished? If not it's easy enough to contact them.
I think it would be something that the WPBA would need to make a decision on. I'm sure they could change the procedure. And I'm sure there is at least one WPBA member on this forum that could help get this accomplished? If not it's easy enough to contact them.
I'm going to the next WPBA tournament in Florida and bringing a meg a phone. When they clap for something stupid I'll shout "It was an easy shot morons" and "It was a bad shot idiots" "Why are you clapping people, she snookered herself" I've been thrown out of better places than the HardRock Cafe. Johnnyt
Johnnyt said:
LMAO... Maybe take an air horn, a cow bell and one of those big #1 fingers that you see at football games.
I wish they had monkeys come out on bicycles and ride around the table during the match. Then have confetti and ballons drop from above when each ball is pocketed! On second thought.. Have Allen & Mitch ride the bikes!
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channel surfers
i was at the WPBA event in RI this last weekend. steve tipton does in deed give instructions to clap a lot to create "energy". quoting steve whilst he was giving pre recording insturctions, its suppose to capture folks channel surfting. they hear the applause think in must be interesting and stop surfing and watch for a while, proving to ESPN that pool on tv must interesting b/c more pple are watching. they dont care about real pool fans. they figure we'll watch anyway (steve actually said that). they want everyone else.
not defending, just relating what was said. all that clapping is irritating to watch on tv, but also somewhat ruins watching in person. during one match jen barretta was obviously trying to play safe, but accidently made a ball and ended up totally hooked, yet there is everyone clapping away...
i dont thinks its liable to change. just keep that mute button handy.
brian
i was at the WPBA event in RI this last weekend. steve tipton does in deed give instructions to clap a lot to create "energy". quoting steve whilst he was giving pre recording insturctions, its suppose to capture folks channel surfting. they hear the applause think in must be interesting and stop surfing and watch for a while, proving to ESPN that pool on tv must interesting b/c more pple are watching. they dont care about real pool fans. they figure we'll watch anyway (steve actually said that). they want everyone else.
not defending, just relating what was said. all that clapping is irritating to watch on tv, but also somewhat ruins watching in person. during one match jen barretta was obviously trying to play safe, but accidently made a ball and ended up totally hooked, yet there is everyone clapping away...
i dont thinks its liable to change. just keep that mute button handy.
brian
Joe,
For years I have been saying that the only thing that will help professional pool is the Fertitta family. Until then, you'll have to live with the ridiculousness that ESPN is displaying in the worst time slots available.
Pool needs Zuffa. Joe Rogan in the booth wouldn't be a bad idea either.
JMHO.
For years I have been saying that the only thing that will help professional pool is the Fertitta family. Until then, you'll have to live with the ridiculousness that ESPN is displaying in the worst time slots available.
Pool needs Zuffa. Joe Rogan in the booth wouldn't be a bad idea either.
JMHO.