Pool's Deepest Level of Competition - Learning From Defeat, and Our Own Negativity

remember, there are no easy shots or hard shots, they are all just shots.

In pool it can be difficult to see where your ownership in losing lies. If a guy breaks and runs a couple 3 packs in a race to 7 to win it can still be your fault for letting him to the table. After a loss I have learned the benefits of looking at it objectively. Mostly your poor safety play or taking risks in being too offensive is why your opponent had more opportunities. Pool is a game of opportunities for opportunists. You have to create your own opportunity to excel improve and win. To do it you need the skills. If you fail to practice you practice to fail.


A race to 7 is pretty short unless there's a lot of pressure on your opponent. Unfortunately, under the current rules there's a lot of luck involved, especially when your opponent misses and hooks you a few times.......this is brutal to fade.

Playing short races you definitely can't take any shot for granted, remember, there are no easy shots or hard shots, they are all just shots.
 
Toughest thing to do is , one thing at a time. The only thing that really matters is now. The past is gone and the future is uncertain. What is before you is the only thing that you can control. Hard thing to get a handle on at times,,but that's about it

This is true, however it's easier said than done without a principle point of focus.

I use breathing as my focal point because it's the "bridge" between the conscious and the subconscious mind.

There are many breathing techniques, I have a couple that seem to be the most effective to over come pressure and put you into "Dead Stroke".

Practicing meditation is another powerful way to train our minds into a level of observing out thoughts. Many of our mental activity is meaningless, and just loops over and over. When competing it's vital to empty our minds of this chatter so that our focus increases and becomes sharp for the immediate task (one shot at a time).
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This thread had to do with my "secret" to winning, which is to accept losing before the match or tournament. This is considered negative by some players, however, I've found this technique to be a great release from pressure.

If I'm ever going to let my mind process losing, I'd prefer it's before I start, not when it's "hill/hill" against a formidable opponent like Johnny Archer or Earl Strickland. One sign of weakness and they pounce, and believe me, at this point it's probably too late!

I've found this is true for any aspect of competing, to bring out our positive characteristics we must first be willing to identify, confront and accept the opposites. It's the "love vs hate," the "light vs darkness", "fear vs courage" - it's especially the myself vs my opponent in competition.

Which brings me to another point that's noteworthy - I suggest we don't wish negative vibes, or unlucky rolls on our opponents - I've found if I process "bad" things against people I'm playing, (especially if they are negative), saps energy that may soon be vital.

Before a match I'll usually say "good luck" or "play well," and I try to mean it. I've found the more willing I am for my opponent to do well, the more confident my mind focuses, in regards to a positive outcome on each and every shot, stroke, or situation.

When I first came back from an 8 year sabbatical from the game these principles had to be re-learned. My mind was not conditioned to compete, basically I forgot how, which made it very difficult to win.....not over my opponents necessarily, in regards to myself.

This has improved over the last year requiring substantial time, energy and dedication. It's still tempting to slip back sometimes, if my expectations aren't realistic. Johnny Archer and I talked about this in London at the Mosconi Cup, he said lowering his expectations before a match or tournament helped him to become "The Player of the 90s".


Over the next few weeks I'm going to share what I've learned about competition, myself, and the game. In doing so there may be issues I address that go against what's commonly taught or thought - I suggest you "put it on the shelf" of your mind, it may prove to be useful one day. There is an evolutionary process to understanding, things that make sense now may not have meant the same thing years, weeks, or even days ago.

For me, the game may be pool, for you it can be any other unique quality that you possess, or want to accel at, - whether it's business, sports, education, parenting, relationships, or anything else that can be an analogy to pocket billiards or a "game".
'The Game is the Teacher'

We have discussed this before, on this site.
In "Winning Through Intimidation", author Robert Ringer talks of the importance of maintaining a positive attitude through the assumption of a negative result.
In other words, Ringer suggests that you be prepared for the worst-case scenario while at the same time putting your best foot forward to get the best possible result.
This will take the mental pressure off of you and allow you to focus on getting the job done.
This approach, I believe, allows you to be positive and realistic in your mental assessment of a match.
Billy Johnson used to say this also....(at the time I was clueless as to what he meant)
Regards,
Flash
 
A race to 7 is pretty short unless there's a lot of pressure on your opponent. Unfortunately, under the current rules there's a lot of luck involved, especially when your opponent misses and hooks you a few times.......this is brutal to fade.

Playing short races you definitely can't take any shot for granted, remember, there are no easy shots or hard shots, they are all just shots.

I was watching a stream with Karen Corr and Ga Young Kim playing a race to seven a couple of years ago. Ga Young was on fire and ran out from everywhere, leaving Karen locked up when she got to the table.

About the fifth or sixth rack, Karen got her first shot. She was frozen to the short rail with a tough cut on a ball at the other end of the table, which she missed. She managed to get a couple of games, but lost soundly. I figured it'd be pretty tough for her, after that, to regain her composure in the double elimination format.

After the match, we talked on the phone and I mentioned how brutal her first shot was with Ga Young in dead whack. Her answer surprised me and gave me some insight about how mentally tough she was.

She said, "Yeah, that happens. You never know!", and laughed. "Ga Young played well and didn't make many mistakes. I'll just have to see what happens in my next match".

She was ready to accept her fate and not sweat the details. I just shut up and understood she was already looking forward to her next match and not dwelling on her loss. She didn't have time for the negativity. She addressed it and let it go. :cool:

Best,
Mike
 
I took ownership for losing in an 8 ball charity tournament once. It was a race to 2, double elimination, winner breaks. I lost the coin toss and the opponent broke and ran 2 racks to put me on the loser side. I lost the coin toss again and the opponent broke and ran 2 racks and eliminated me.

I never got to the table. I took ownership for losing by realizing I had dogged the coin toss twice.

Wayne, you sir have made more sense in your simple observation, than all the other posts in this entire thread combined ! .......Do we need an example ???-->
"blessed are those that have no expectations, for they shall never be disappointed"....Surrender is one of the most challenging and courageous things we can do in competition..It takes practice. <--??????????

Also, his 'conscious, sub-conscience' mind breakdown, was [sic] highly informative. :sorry:..It is hard to believe, that a grown man can be so obtuse ! :confused: ..It never ceases to amaze me, how many people will fall into 'lock step', and encourage such confusing, unintelligible, nonsense as Mr. Wiley appears to be an expert at !..C'mon guys, surely no one can be naive enough, to keep falling for the same recycled horses**t ..over and over and over AGAIN ! :rolleyes:

PS..I will give him credit for one thing though...He has turned 'cut and paste', into an art form ! :eek:
 
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the right people, in the right places, at the right times always show up

I was watching a stream with Karen Corr and Ga Young Kim playing a race to seven a couple of years ago. Ga Young was on fire and ran out from everywhere, leaving Karen locked up when she got to the table.

About the fifth or sixth rack, Karen got her first shot. She was frozen to the short rail with a tough cut on a ball at the other end of the table, which she missed. She managed to get a couple of games, but lost soundly. I figured it'd be pretty tough for her, after that, to regain her composure in the double elimination format.

After the match, we talked on the phone and I mentioned how brutal her first shot was with Ga Young in dead whack. Her answer surprised me and gave me some insight about how mentally tough she was.

She said, "Yeah, that happens. You never know!", and laughed. "Ga Young played well and didn't make many mistakes. I'll just have to see what happens in my next match".

She was ready to accept her fate and not sweat the details. I just shut up and understood she was already looking forward to her next match and not dwelling on her loss. She didn't have time for the negativity. She addressed it and let it go. :cool:

Best,
Mike

Karen is very wise, and a great competitor. The one common denominator you'll see in successful champions/people is their ability to let things go.....to move on - remembering that we must save ALL our Power for today......not regretting the past or looking forward to the future.

The past is just a memory, the future is uncertain, although it will certainly take care of us. After all, the right people, in the right places, at the right times always show up to create beneficial circumstances......IF we believe it will happen, it always does. 'the GAME is the teacher'
 
Pool's Deepest Level of Competition - Learning From Defeat, and Our Own Negat...

Dear Dick,

I still really enjoy your posts. I think you're funny and have a very straight forward and down-to-earth way of seeing things. When you were gambling and in a tough game, how did you hang on and play your best? What type of thinking gave you the toughness?

Sincerely,

lou

Wayne, you sir have made more sense in your simple observation, than all the other posts in this entire thread combined ! .......Do we need an example ???-->


Also, his 'conscious, sub-conscience' mind breakdown, was [sic] highly informative. :sorry:..It is hard to believe, that a grown man can be so obtuse ! :confused: ..It never ceases to amaze me, how many people will fall into 'lock step', and encourage such confusing, unintelligible, nonsense as Mr. Wiley appears to be an expert at !..C'mon guys, surely no one can be naive enough, to keep falling for the same recycled horses**t ..over and over and over AGAIN ! :rolleyes:

PS..I will give him credit for one thing though...He has turned 'cut and paste', into an art form ! :eek:[/]]
 
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'The Book of Secrets'

The Book of Secrets. sometimes we get sidetracked & forget to stop & feel the Force. thanks for the reminder.

cool thread.

I'm not familiar with 'The Book of Secrets' although I just checked it out. Have you read it, and would you suggest it to someone like me?

Thanks, and Enjoy Your Weekend PL
 
think of "shooting through the doubt," in matches, shots and situations

We have discussed this before, on this site.
In "Winning Through Intimidation", author Robert Ringer talks of the importance of maintaining a positive attitude through the assumption of a negative result.
In other words, Ringer suggests that you be prepared for the worst-case scenario while at the same time putting your best foot forward to get the best possible result.
This will take the mental pressure off of you and allow you to focus on getting the job done.
This approach, I believe, allows you to be positive and realistic in your mental assessment of a match.
Billy Johnson used to say this also....(at the time I was clueless as to what he meant)
Regards,
Flash

Yes, I like to think of "shooting through the doubt," on crucial shots, matches and pressure situations.
 
Dear Dick,

I still really enjoy your posts. I think you're funny and have a very straight forward and down-to-earth way of seeing things. When you were gambling and in a tough game, how did you hang on and play your best? What type of thinking gave you the toughness?

Sincerely,

lou

I don't know that I ever really gave it that much thought, Lou !..I always just gave it my best shot..Sometimes it was good enough, sometimes it wasn't !..As you can see, I do have a problem with those who think they have ALL the answers !..They somehow seem to forget, (or never admit)..that wasn't always the case !..All that "conscious, sub-conscious" mumbo-jumbo, and "shooting through the doubt" crap..tends to make me nauseous...Also makes me wonder what their goal is ? :confused:

You can only brag so much..then it becomes very tedious, and boring..You have to haul out the old scrapbook every few posts, just to convince everyone that you were a champion !...I never kept a scrapbook..I was happy with the few accolades I got, from people who may have seen me play well ! (even if they are now old, and decrepit :o)..Also, I could care less how many people ever "heard of me" !..NOT being insecure, does have its advantages ! :p

PS..Don't know if I answered your question Lou, but thank you for asking it ! ;)..It did give me a chance to unload some of my 'other' thoughts !..:wink:
 
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I'm not familiar with 'The Book of Secrets' although I just checked it out. Have you read it, and would you suggest it to someone like me?

Thanks, and Enjoy Your Weekend PL

I've read all of Deepak Chopra's books. He has some good stuff and some bad stuff. He specializes in woo-woo talk. He got lots of exposure thanks to Oprah Winfrey. If you're looking for self-help one liners, he's your guy. The problem with him is he gets into scientific hypothesis and throws around word salads that don't mean anything. Tony Robbins may do you better. Dale Carnagie is good too.
 
I've read all of Deepak Chopra's books. He has some good stuff and some bad stuff. He specializes in woo-woo talk. He got lots of exposure thanks to Oprah Winfrey. If you're looking for self-help one liners, he's your guy. The problem with him is he gets into scientific hypothesis and throws around word salads that don't mean anything. Tony Robbins may do you better. Dale Carnagie is good too.

Sorry to butt in Tex, but this Chopra guy sounds like he has a whole lot in common, with ole CJ hisself ! :grin:
 
I've read Chopra, Oprah, and now I'm reading Dope-Ra.
What the hell CJ, you been grazing in the grass again? Too much hippy lettuce?
Your posts used to be insightful, and informative. Now they're frightful, and d-formative.
Come back to us, buddy. It'll be a long hard road, but you can do it. You're from Texas, for crissakes. :smile:
 
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This was in response to PinkLady's statement

I've read Chopra, Oprah, and now I'm reading Dope-Ra.
What the hell CJ, you been gazing in the grass again? Too much hippy lettuce?
Your posts used to be insightful, and informative. Now they're frightful, and d-formative.
Come back to us, buddy. It'll be a long hard road, but you can do it. You're from Texas, for crissakes. :smile:

This was in response to PinkLady's statement about 'The Book of Secrets' - I had nothing to do with the book, just curious if SHE thought it was good because I value HER opinion.

I used to value yours too.......
 
I've read all of Deepak Chopra's books. He has some good stuff and some bad stuff. He specializes in woo-woo talk. He got lots of exposure thanks to Oprah Winfrey. If you're looking for self-help one liners, he's your guy. The problem with him is he gets into scientific hypothesis and throws around word salads that don't mean anything. Tony Robbins may do you better. Dale Carnagie is good too.

Never heard of any of these guys......?
 
Never heard of any of these guys......?

Deepak Chopra is the author of the book PINKLADY was talking about.

Tony Robbins is a very famous motivational speaker and author. He has some really good books. He also has lots of free videos on YouTube. Dale Carnagie has been around forever. Google his name. You will like what you find. :)
 
CJ,40 years ago, when on the roads all over, meditation was the very thing that helped bring my focused being into life. It was amazing in events, when someone would come up to me and ask about a certain shot that had taken place, and I had no recollection of what had transpired,,even though I had laid down rack after rack after rack after rack. Meditation was one of the key points for me,,and the focus on breathing is not lost,,though it's been along time since practiced.
 
What do you think of competition, who are we actually competing against, "us or them"?
How do we learn from defeat? From victory?
For those looking for the secrets to understanding competition at the deeper levels try processing this - "when we know and accept ourselves there are no defeats in life" - When we don't "own up" to the negativity in ourselves, the negativity will own us.
"Own it, or it will own you" - Unknown
If we are really part of the same whole, then can there really be "good parts and bad parts," or are all parts necessary?

Can we possibly know good without knowing evil, can we know love without knowing fear, can we know victory without knowing defeat? It's a paradox sometimes isn't it?
Many of us are so disconnected from internal negativity that we can only see it's reflection.....through other people. 'The Game is the Teacher'

You used to value my opinion? Well, what the hell kind of existential bullshit is this? (See above)
We are competing against "us or them?" Who is them? Are they imaginary, or do they really exist?
"Own it, or it will own you" What are you talking about, the government or a credit union. None of this crap makes any sense.
Many of us are so disconnected from internal negativity that we can only see it's reflection.....through other people.
You're the one who needs to do some reflecting.
 
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