Ppl don't pay up, when do you let it go?

seven_7days said:
I would have hit him so hard, his next kid would have been born dizzy.
j/k you handled it just fine.
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Or you coulda just slapped him so hard that he begged you to kick him!!:eek:

I think you handled the situation well. One night before league I am practicing by myself and minding my own business and this guy walks up and wants to play for $5. We play, he loses, he sits down at the bar and about 15 minutes later I ask him if he is going to pay up. He says that if I really need $5 bucks that bad he will give it to me. I told him I did not need $5 that bad but reminded him he is the one that came up to me and wanted to play for money, if I had lost I would have gladly payed up right away. I went on to explain to him that I am a man of my word and not a POS who looks for handouts. He paid up and I didnt hear a word from him the rest of the night.
 
JOEY said:
I had a guy last week I played for a beer. I won and he didn't pay. Keep in mind he is a friend of my buddies. No big deal, so we play a game of partners for a beer and they lose, again, no sign of a beer. So (me being me) kind of bust his balls a few times about the beer, but really it's no biggie, I have my own cash, but it's just the point. About a half hour later he wants me to play my friend and bet me $10. I said ok, but put the $10 up cause you're not gonna screw me outta $10, cause u already screw me out of two beers. It starts an argument (which is fine with me) but it's only over a couple beers. Anyway, they all decide to leave and I follow them outside and told them to forget about the beers, let's just play pool and have fun. This guy (prob in his 50's) takes a swing at me. I blocked it and told him to stop it or else (maybe not that nice). He was my elder and I'm a little younger (43) and in decent shape, so why even accept the challenge? I just let him go on his merry way. My question is, how would you have handled it?
Joey
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I don't know where you live but where I used to live in North St Louis that would have been a really bad idea.
 
I think you handled it about right, you may be should have been prepared to just let it go anyway. If he gives you crap after the last challange (like he did) at that point the gloves can come off. If you have a good relationship with the bartender and if you all are ever at the bar at the same time again, order a beer and ask the bartender to go up to him and mention that you told the bartender that your first round (or two) is on him. Just because he swung I might mention it to him the next couple of times I see him, "ready to pay up?" You could have a lot of fun with this if you choose to.
 
Live in florida but I'm from Chicago. Where I'm from, it wouldn't have been a good idea to walk outside first without paying. My point is the situation can go both ways. There was no threat of anything crazy happening. We had a mutual friend, and these guys were older. Also, one of the guys he was with was a cop, so I knew it wouldn't get too out of line. When I followed them outside, it was with intention to smooth it over, not to escalate it.
 
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JOEY said:
Live in florida but I'm from Chicago. Where I'm from, it wouldn't have been a good idea to walk outside first without paying. My point is the situation can go both ways. There was no threat of anything crazy happening. We had a mutual friend, and these guys were older. Also, one of the guys he was with was a cop, so I knew it wouldn't get too out of line. When I followed them outside, it was with intention to smooth it over, not to escalate it.
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Well if it was me I think it would have gone down a bit differently. I don't travel to far from where I live normally to play pool. I don't drink alcohol so the original bet would have simply been for a soda. I don't put much value on a soda but I do place value on character. When the person had not paid up on the first bet then later came to me to bet money later. I would have said sure we can play for the money not a problem I will rack them while you go get me that soda you owe me then we can put the money on top of the table light before we break. If he stormed out or made a scene inside the place that is on him. If he tried to attack me inside the place I would have defended myself. If he were to try to use a weapon on me like was suggested in a prior post I would have laid him to rest with my 45 ACP I carry regularly concealed. If he was with his friend the cop as suggested all the better as Cops make great witnesses. We have extended castle doctrine here in PA. Now do I think it was a wise idea to follow him outside no I don't. The concept that a person may have a gun or other weapon outside is not my concern. I feel safer the more people around me that see whats going on. I would not play him again until all previous debts were settled.
 
It used to bother me because I, personally, don't bet money/items I don't have so when somebody else did, it used to bother me. I've outgrown that mentality and don't play with that person for money anymore unless they post it up first.

Thankfully, I've only ever had this problem about 3 times and on all three occasions the players ended up paying that debt sometime in the near future.

When I bet with friends/buddies it's never a problem because of who I keep around, when it's with strangers the money goes up first and I prefer to have a neutral third party hold onto it. The problem I run into now and again is that people usually know I'm only 20 and assume they know my skill level based on my age and complain and complain that I hustled them, etc.

People are funny and I take the bad with the good.

-Richard
 
rhinobywilhite said:
You handled it fine. I would have asked about the beer on the first round and declined the 2nd match if he did not pay off.

Any other match would be money posted up front.

Going outside in today's world is taking a big chance with your future. He could have a weapon and be willing to use it or you deck him and the police get involved and one or both of you wind up in jail. Not worth it, IMO, cause bail fees and lawyers can get expensive.
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Sounds like the guy was playing an air barrel. After not paying off the first bet, I'd also decline the second bet unless he paid off... a bet's a bet, even a beer.

'Going outside' is a whole lot different these days... sounds like you would have put this guy down, then the real drama starts... police, legal, or as stated above he pulls on you.. over a beer?.. no thanks.
 
Played a guy many years ago and he lost and tells me he doesn't have the money but he would get it to me. Well this guy was a very bad guy with very little personality and less of a sense of humor. The next time I see him I ask him and he tells me he doesn't have it. The next time I see him I ask him again and he tells me he doesn't have it don't ask him again. I got the message and let I go.
 
I say you got off cheap. It only cost you a beer to find out this guy's true character, or lack of character. He is willing to take a swing at you for something trivial as beer or $10, so stay clear of him.

Kudos on de-escalating the issue, it could've continued as a fight and ended up worst.
 
ctyhntr said:
I say you got off cheap. It only cost you a beer to find out this guy's true character, or lack of character. He is willing to take a swing at you for something trivial as beer or $10, so stay clear of him.

Kudos on de-escalating the issue, it could've continued as a fight and ended up worst.
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This is the right answer and the correct information to take away from the experience.
 
JOEY said:
I had a guy last week I played for a beer. I won and he didn't pay. Keep in mind he is a friend of my buddies. No big deal, so we play a game of partners for a beer and they lose, again, no sign of a beer. So (me being me) kind of bust his balls a few times about the beer, but really it's no biggie, I have my own cash, but it's just the point. About a half hour later he wants me to play my friend and bet me $10. I said ok, but put the $10 up cause you're not gonna screw me outta $10, cause u already screw me out of two beers. It starts an argument (which is fine with me) but it's only over a couple beers. Anyway, they all decide to leave and I follow them outside and told them to forget about the beers, let's just play pool and have fun. This guy (prob in his 50's) takes a swing at me. I blocked it and told him to stop it or else (maybe not that nice). He was my elder and I'm a little younger (43) and in decent shape, so why even accept the challenge? I just let him go on his merry way. My question is, how would you have handled it?
Joey
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After the first beer,,,, I would of broke both his legs, his bridge hand, and knocked a couple teeth out! And then explain that next time,,,,,,, you're gonna really kissed and really do some damage to him!

Other than that, you did fine! Live and learn:) Remember, I think Ken said it already, always post first;)
I know I know I know,,,, its just a beer;)
 
JOEY said:
10 years ago I woulda just busted him in the mouth...glad I grew up a little bit...lol
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You did the right thing and I am glad you didn't beat the crap out of him.

I have a friend who is a fourth degree black belt who got into an argument over a one pocket game. The other guy (about 10 years older) squared up to hit my friend and my friend let the guy hit him (pretty hard I might add). My friend asked him if he was happy now and told him not to hit him again. Needless to say this guy took another swing at my friend and my friend leveled him with a few punches and it was over. The guy ended up looking like he had been hit with a baseball bat a few times. My friend didn't want to hurt him but he had to defend himself.
 
The World never ceases to amaze these days Joey. So you gave the guy a little jab over his cheapness, and rightly so, and he figured it was a better move to take a swing on you over doing the proper thing.

In my younger days, I may not have been as benevolent as yourself. I have played guys like that, as I am sure many of us have also. They are usually the first ones ordering a beer and pointing to you as the person who is paying should they win a game or 2 tho.

Hey, went fishing up North last May. One night we went to the bar in camp. Won a few beer from some younger kids. They always paid up. One of the guys, serious cheap ass
lost a couple to us and his partner was the one that brought us over a couple.

The next day in the boat, this guy started grabbing my beers from the cooler. I told him flat out that he was a cheap ass and could have easily bought a case from the bar last night, but didn't, and if he thought that he was going to be sucking up my stash all day, he had another thought coming.

He was a funny guy. Taking some sort of Martial Arts, so one night, he brought out his Eskrima Sticks and was going to show us how to use them.

He promptly hit himself in the face with one. I just about pissed myself laughing so hard.
 
15 years ago, you don't pay me and you're ****ed

today, you don't pay me and I'm ****ed, lol, gettin old

i bet small enough that I'm not risking jack shit on this stuff
 
JOEY said:
I had a guy last week I played for a beer. I won and he didn't pay. Keep in mind he is a friend of my buddies. No big deal, so we play a game of partners for a beer and they lose, again, no sign of a beer. So (me being me) kind of bust his balls a few times about the beer, but really it's no biggie, I have my own cash, but it's just the point. About a half hour later he wants me to play my friend and bet me $10. I said ok, but put the $10 up cause you're not gonna screw me outta $10, cause u already screw me out of two beers. It starts an argument (which is fine with me) but it's only over a couple beers. Anyway, they all decide to leave and I follow them outside and told them to forget about the beers, let's just play pool and have fun. This guy (prob in his 50's) takes a swing at me. I blocked it and told him to stop it or else (maybe not that nice). He was my elder and I'm a little younger (43) and in decent shape, so why even accept the challenge? I just let him go on his merry way. My question is, how would you have handled it?
Joey
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You should have gotten the beer from the partner of the stiffer and left him to pay your mutual friend. Did anyone get a beer? It was partners the 2nd game wasn't it?
 
You need to stop playing pool.

How in the world does this talk even turn to a gun. You have some real issues to go from not paying to ill play again if you go get my soda, to defending yourself, then a gun if they have a weapon.

Just like all the problems going on today, if you choose to be done with the game after the first time, the second and third times don't appear. But hey, you go on Cowboy with your concealed gun. Good for you....

Kevin3824 said:
Well if it was me I think it would have gone down a bit differently. I don't travel to far from where I live normally to play pool. I don't drink alcohol so the original bet would have simply been for a soda. I don't put much value on a soda but I do place value on character. When the person had not paid up on the first bet then later came to me to bet money later. I would have said sure we can play for the money not a problem I will rack them while you go get me that soda you owe me then we can put the money on top of the table light before we break. If he stormed out or made a scene inside the place that is on him. If he tried to attack me inside the place I would have defended myself. If he were to try to use a weapon on me like was suggested in a prior post I would have laid him to rest with my 45 ACP I carry regularly concealed. If he was with his friend the cop as suggested all the better as Cops make great witnesses. We have extended castle doctrine here in PA. Now do I think it was a wise idea to follow him outside no I don't. The concept that a person may have a gun or other weapon outside is not my concern. I feel safer the more people around me that see whats going on. I would not play him again until all previous debts were settled.
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TWOFORPOOL said:
You did the right thing and I am glad you didn't beat the crap out of him.

I have a friend who is a fourth degree black belt who got into an argument over a one pocket game. The other guy (about 10 years older) squared up to hit my friend and my friend let the guy hit him (pretty hard I might add). My friend asked him if he was happy now and told him not to hit him again. Needless to say this guy took another swing at my friend and my friend leveled him with a few punches and it was over. The guy ended up looking like he had been hit with a baseball bat a few times. My friend didn't want to hurt him but he had to defend himself.
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Having been involved with Martial Arts for 15 years before getting out and working myself to death. I have to say your friend made a poor choice. He should have never LET the guy hit him. Granted we are trained how to take punched kicks etc. But that does not mean that the other guy could not have knocked him out cold on the first punch.
 
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