PRO PLAYERS AND INSTRUCTORS - Why the controversy?

Those that have been up Everest can tell you how hard it is; the physical and mental challenge.

Anyone who's ever trotted up a slight incline can tell you how to climb Everest: keep going til you get to the top.

There is no 'Mt Everest Secrets' DVD, JB.

Oh but there is.

In every undertaking there are "secrets" to doing it better.

From the basic equipment and safety techniques, through fundamental hand, foot and body control, across the spectrum of climbing movement, to the secrets of technical problem solving. Filmed at Lake Tahoe, Rifle and Yosemite. Starring World champion competitors, equipment experts, teachers and guides: Francios Legrand, Robyn Erbesfield, Dan Osman, Tiffany Levine, Francois, Bird Lew, John Hoffman, Dave Hatchett and more. The best how to rock climbing dvd out today.
 
Disappointing to see this kind of moderation.

Wilson, in the past you've said many times "I don't care who started it, I'm stepping in and you both need to stop." Now you're saying "Hey, Lou started it, so as far as I'm concerned... tough titties."

Why the different treatment for Lou? It seems personal. Especially when you add a jab where you imply he's a nit (which is out of line anyway... who here wants to play a US Open champ? Not you either right?)

And JB, you've complained for years about uneven moderation, but because you feel lou had it coming, nothing to say about all the "chickenshit keyboard warrior" flaming? To me even's post was just as much "fuel to the fire" as anything Lou's recently said.
 
The ones I refer to have been VERY CLEAR, making no claims to be instuctors T.T.

Hmmm, TOI on "snooker steroids", I'm not sure if it works as well on "small balls". The margin of error is certainly smaller in snooker.

TOI is proving it's self, have you not read the excitement at www.cjwiley.com ? 'THE GAME SPEAKS THROUGH PLAYERS'

It does work with smaller balls because I have tried it.

I have great respect for CJ because many of his principles reflect the views that I have and methods that I use.

I am currently working with one of the biggest names in snooker and will get him to prove CJ's theory and that should just about nail it.
 
...I think the lack of having a open mind keeps many people stuck at a certain level.

Can we get this statement made into a sticky that pops up in the posting box & must be acknowledge before typing a post is allowed?

I would only add a preface to it.

Just as in Life & in any other endeavor...

Regards &
 
Disappointing to see this kind of moderation.

Wilson, in the past you've said many times "I don't care who started it, I'm stepping in and you both need to stop." Now you're saying "Hey, Lou started it, so as far as I'm concerned... tough titties."

Why the different treatment for Lou? It seems personal. Especially when you add a jab where you imply he's a nit (which is out of line anyway... who here wants to play a US Open champ? Not you either right?)

And JB, you've complained for years about uneven moderation, but because you feel lou had it coming, nothing to say about all the "chickenshit keyboard warrior" flaming? To me even's post was just as much "fuel to the fire" as anything Lou's recently said.

The moderation is not fair on AZB. It's not consistent. And I am not about to start commenting on who should be banned for any particular offense.

In the past I have reported and not retorted and the outcome was not as I wished either. Just because you report doesn't mean the mod is going to agree with you.

While a person may be over the line here in addressing Lou the fact of it is that Lou has been getting away with murder (or factually speaking getting away with slander) for years.
 
Knowledge by itself is worth very little. Muhammad Ali has lots of knowledge in boxing, but he hasn't knocked anyone out lately. This is a quote made by Billy Incardona. Billy is (arguably) the most knowledgable one pocket player in the world today. But you do not see him winning the Derby City One Pocket or the US Open One Pocket.

Execution is much more important. The players that are the best at execution will win. Young players with relatively little knowledge in one pocket and bank pool have been winners of major tournaments due to their execution.

How often do you think John Morra plays bank pool? How often do you think Shane Van Boening plays one pocket? Yet they won Derby City last year, because their execution is the best in the world. And that is not to say that they have no knowledge in those games, but it certainly is not their main focus.

Let us question if Shane and John spend 12 hours per day practicing, or did they spend half a day at pool college and all of a sudden turn pro?
 
It does work with smaller balls because I have tried it.

I have great respect for CJ because many of his principles reflect the views that I have and methods that I use.

I am currently working with one of the biggest names in snooker and will get him to prove CJ's theory and that should just about nail it.

Cool. Keep us informed.
 
Thanks for reminding me, I hate to pull out the "big guns" quite yet.

It does work with smaller balls because I have tried it.

I have great respect for CJ because many of his principles reflect the views that I have and methods that I use.

I am currently working with one of the biggest names in snooker and will get him to prove CJ's theory and that should just about nail it.

Oh, yeah, I almost forgot ;) there's a snooker player in England that just ran a couple 147s in practice I hear using a "similar" TOI Technique. :)

Thanks for reminding me, I hate to pull out the "big guns" quite yet.
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Oh but there is.

In every undertaking there are "secrets" to doing it better.

From the basic equipment and safety techniques, through fundamental hand, foot and body control, across the spectrum of climbing movement, to the secrets of technical problem solving. Filmed at Lake Tahoe, Rifle and Yosemite. Starring World champion competitors, equipment experts, teachers and guides: Francios Legrand, Robyn Erbesfield, Dan Osman, Tiffany Levine, Francois, Bird Lew, John Hoffman, Dave Hatchett and more. The best how to rock climbing dvd out today.

Can I borrow it after you? Sounds fascinating. :boring2:
 
Oh, yeah, I almost forgot ;) there's a snooker player in England that just ran a couple 147s in practice I hear using a "similar" TOI Technique. :)

Thanks for reminding me, I hate to pull out the "big guns" quite yet.

I thought you said it didn't work for snooker? Now you've suddenly remembered a couple of maximums!
 
lou said I was a "snake oil" salesman - I didn't even know snakes required oil???

Disappointing to see this kind of moderation.

Wilson, in the past you've said many times "I don't care who started it, I'm stepping in and you both need to stop." Now you're saying "Hey, Lou started it, so as far as I'm concerned... tough titties."

Why the different treatment for Lou? It seems personal. Especially when you add a jab where you imply he's a nit (which is out of line anyway... who here wants to play a US Open champ? Not you either right?)

And JB, you've complained for years about uneven moderation, but because you feel lou had it coming, nothing to say about all the "chickenshit keyboard warrior" flaming? To me even's post was just as much "fuel to the fire" as anything Lou's recently said.

I think some humorous banter is fine, however, lou said I was a "snake oil" salesman several times in the last few months and I didn't even know snakes required oil??? ;)
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Is it out

C.J.
I was reading the testimonials and it sounded like some had TOI DVD
Is it out or did I read it wrong.(entirley possible). I have been practicing
using TIO a couple of hours for the last 3 days. The two problems I have
run into are , if the cb and ob are close together (4 to 6 inchs) with only
a slight (say to the right) cut. I aim at the closest part of the pocket and
CB either does not deflect or the TIO holds it up. (hope this makes sense).
I still make it most of the time but all of a sudden it will hit the point. I
set it up and shoot it again and make it but I dont seem to do anything
different. All other shots that I miss are usually because I fell back into
the habit of trying to baby them in. The other thing I am struggling some
with is position. Certain shots that I have always shot easy and spun the
CB into position It seems I have to hit much harder to get where I want to be. Your system brings to mind Dick Fosbury, (high jumper, Fosbury
Flop). Everyone said thats all wrong. WELL the proof's in the puddin buddy
Once again thanks again.
jack
 
My bad, I almost forgot with all the excitement in releasing the NEW TOI Video.

I thought you said it didn't work for snooker? Now you've suddenly remembered a couple of maximums!

My bad, I almost forgot with all the excitement in releasing the NEW TOI Video....by the way, 147 is good, isn't it?
 
shorten your bridge to exactly the distance between the cue ball and the object ball

C.J.
I was reading the testimonials and it sounded like some had TOI DVD
Is it out or did I read it wrong.(entirley possible). I have been practicing
using TIO a couple of hours for the last 3 days. The two problems I have
run into are , if the cb and ob are close together (4 to 6 inchs) with only
a slight (say to the right) cut. I aim at the closest part of the pocket and
CB either does not deflect or the TIO holds it up. (hope this makes sense).
I still make it most of the time but all of a sudden it will hit the point. I
set it up and shoot it again and make it but I dont seem to do anything
different. All other shots that I miss are usually because I fell back into
the habit of trying to baby them in. The other thing I am struggling some
with is position. Certain shots that I have always shot easy and spun the
CB into position It seems I have to hit much harder to get where I want to be. Your system brings to mind Dick Fosbury, (high jumper, Fosbury
Flop). Everyone said thats all wrong. WELL the proof's in the puddin buddy
Once again thanks again.
jack

No, the TOI Video is being uploaded right now for the FIRST TIME in the United States. Using the TOI Technique requires you to hit the cue ball consistently the same speed. This over a few days will give you a much better "Touch"....that's the "Inside" reason. :)

They learned it by PMing me and reading my posts here on az and on face book...I have a 70k following on line currently world wide. fyi

When the balls are close together, usually it's a center to edge alignment (angles are amplified close together) and you MUST accelerate more than ever....shorten your bridge to exactly the distance between the cue ball and the object ball and hit it quick....with that length bridge you won't be able to foul or double hit the cue ball. 'THe Game is the Teacher'
 
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Be fair Lou. You have gotten away with flat out slander for YEARS and never been called on it. Years.

Stan Shuffett is a gentleman. He is a gracious and kind person and you have done all that you can to attack him over and over for years.

You have tried every rotten trick to discredit him to the point of saying that he deliberately defrauded his customers by withholding information the force people to book paid lessons.

Never once have you received so much as stern glance.

Stan plays at a much higher level than you do. He is also a professional instructor. And he has bet his son's career as a pro on the aiming methods he teaches. Beyond that he has many world class players who have testified to his excellence as an instructor. None of that was enough for you to back off or be civil.

Now you are doing the same thing to CJ Wiley, who is in your own words a bonafide champion. Your pattern is that if someone is selling some way to play that doesn't match your worldview then you pan them. If they do match your world view which happens to be essentially hit a million balls and memorize every possible approach for every possible shot then you lash out.

Your attitude was revealed entirely when you made the statement that if Willie Mosconi himself said that CTE was the greatest way to aim you would tell Willie he is wrong. So it's apparent that you hold an unwavering stance on how to play pool that not even the greatest 14.1 player in the world could dislodge. That is an awfully sad place to be in my opinion. But it's even worse when you attempt to foist that opinion on everyone else. And you have done it by trying to appear as if you have a ton of experience to back it up.

But when players with real high level experience show up and hold a different view your position can't hold up any more. So you try and save face by making all manner of cutting remarks and flat out slanderous comments.

And you can get away with it as long as you are telling me off, or telling Dave Segal off, because we, like you, are amateurs. But when you start telling the pros that they don't know what they are talking about then it is my opinion that you have overstepped the line and shouldn't whine when you are finally given a speeding ticket after getting away with breaking the rules for years.

John,
Your posts about Lou, PJ and a few others are unfortunately, very accurate. Maybe now the bullying will come to an end and the forums can return to be an enjoyable place to visit.

Who knows, maybe now additional pros will want to visit and share their SECRETS.........................
 
No, the TOI Video is being uploaded right now for the FIRST TIME in the United States. Using the TOI Technique requires you to hit the cue ball consistently the same speed. This over a few days will give you a much better "Touch"....that's the "Inside" reason. :)

They learned it by PMing me and reading my posts here on az and on face book...I have a 70k following on line currently world wide. fyi

When the balls are close together, usually it's a center to edge alignment (angles are amplified close together) and you MUST accelerate more than ever....shorten your bridge to exactly the distance between the cue ball and the object ball and hit it quick....with that length bridge you won't be able to foul or double hit the cue ball. 'THe Game is the Teacher'

That last sentence sounds like a SECRET.:grin:
 
No, the TOI Video is being uploaded right now for the FIRST TIME in the United States. Using the TOI Technique requires you to hit the cue ball consistently the same speed. This over a few days will give you a much better "Touch"....that's the "Inside" reason. :)

They learned it by PMing me and reading my posts here on az and on face book...I have a 70k following on line currently world wide. fyi

When the balls are close together, usually it's a center to edge alignment (angles are amplified close together) and you MUST accelerate more than ever....shorten your bridge to exactly the distance between the cue ball and the object ball and hit it quick....with that length bridge you won't be able to foul or double hit the cue ball. 'THe Game is the Teacher'


Could you please provide a demo of using the above technique when the balls are set up as below where you are cutting the stripe ball into the 3 ball.
 
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