Pro Players that deserve RESPECT

[flyvirginiaguy]

and someone said Mosconi, i heard he was a real a**hole to people.

Did you meet Mosconi or just basing this off of hearsay? The OP said people who lead a clean life in pool and in their own life. Everyone is an a**hole to someone. You can't please everyone. And there is also those you meet you really don't care to please.
Fats could tear the skin off Mosconi, but even him, Mosconi never done anything even remotely to being an a**hole.

 

[real bartram]

I've never know tony Crosby , Donnie mills , or bartrum to do anything dishonest.
They might be nut hunters though.

1 is just a nit

 

[TrumanHW]

After the move Orcullo pulled
Not so sure

There's a difference between having respect for someone and suggesting they're a saint. Jeeez. He didn't pull a move -- he didn't wrong the guy. They were even and he asked. If the guy agreed, then he agreed. Did Orcollo quit and refuse to pay? That wasn't the story.

In fact - if you lose money and the other person agrees to absolve the loss... and just says something like, "screw it - pay the time... thanks for the good work out" -- are you a "bad guy" for not insisting? No. You're not.

If someone asks for way more weight than they need, are they robbing you? Same outcome, but are they robbing you? They're facilitating a bad decision...... but they haven't wronged you.

I disagree with your basis for "respect". In business, which is the action side for professional players, being shrewd might just mean that you toe the line in cases.

 

[cleary]

I'd say I'm friends with a number of pros but off the top of my head I'd say Oscar Dominguez, Jeremy Jones, Chris Bartram and Tony Robles are some of the nicest people I've come across in pool, it just so happens they're very good players as well.

 

[sheffield6]

I'd say I'm friends with a number of pros but off the top of my head I'd say Oscar Dominguez, Jeremy Jones, Chris Bartram and Tony Robles are some of the nicest people I've come across in pool, it just so happens they're very good players as well.

yea, but one of thems just a nit

 

[280dave]

respect

hey all,

from personal dealings Dorothy Wise has mine. She was a professional, champion and paved the way for women in "cue sports" She would not gamble, don't think I ever heard her swear, and she believed that she played billiards (not pool):grin:

One of her favorite sayings was "always chalk up before you miss-cue not after"

Dave

 

[Kim Bye]

I always enjoy watching Mika Immonen and Niels Feijen play. Both are great 14.1 players.

 

[Nostroke]

I have quite a few videos of him -- whats he done that makes you find that comical?

No need to trash the dead but Grady, although he did plenty for pool, was more than eccentric-I'll just leave it at that

 

[backplaying]

There's a difference between having respect for someone and suggesting they're a saint. Jeeez. He didn't pull a move -- he didn't wrong the guy. They were even and he asked. If the guy agreed, then he agreed. Did Orcollo quit and refuse to pay? That wasn't the story.

In fact - if you lose money and the other person agrees to absolve the loss... and just says something like, "screw it - pay the time... thanks for the good work out" -- are you a "bad guy" for not insisting? No. You're not.

If someone asks for way more weight than they need, are they robbing you? Same outcome, but are they robbing you? They're facilitating a bad decision...... but they haven't wronged you.

I disagree with your basis for "respect". In business, which is the action side for professional players, being shrewd might just mean that you toe the line in cases.

Yes, he did pull a move and tried to quit without paying anything. Posting up money and quitting in the middle of a set and wanting his money back is one of the most nitty moves I have ever seen, especially from the supposed best money player in the world.

 

[seven_7days]

Totally agree ... Eberle (when I first met him) asked if I wanted to practice cheap... and volunteered his skill level. There are multitudes of people whom I DO respect, but not deserve respect. If I may, I'd rather revise that wording to read, "Who's earned respect. For that matter, Jack Cooney, Joyner, Alex P, probably Hall but I haven't seen him play in person enough to know his behavior.

The only other argument I'll throw in there against the premise of this is that... respecting a person vs. respecting a person's play aren't the same.

The list continues:
Feijen?
Mizerak
Gentile
Jeremy Jones
Owen
Stalev
Brock Lesnar
Bustamante
McMorran
Wiley
Daulton
Deuel
Matlock
Luat
Souquet
Incardona
DiLiberto
Grady
Ismael
Hernandez
Gulyassy
R. Morris
Ortman
Chamat

...and I'm sure many others.

*i don't agree with that one.

 

[westcoast]

I guess you missed that big hullabaloo that was on AZB about that one instance where he fouled, and didn't call it and said later that since the ref didn't see it, it wasn't up to him to call it.........

I think Earl didn't call it on himself that time because he was playing Charlie Williams- he does not care for Charlie

 

[westcoast]

Yes, he did pull a move and tried to quit without paying anything. Posting up money and quitting in the middle of a set and wanting his money back is one of the most nitty moves I have ever seen, especially from the supposed best money player in the world.

Who was he playing? In what game? Where?

 

[wahcheck]

Take a look on page 3 of the main forum

Who was he playing? In what game? Where?

......309 posts on the thread, "Pulling up in the middle of a set when score is tied".....check it out.......page 3 of this forum..

 

[CJ Wiley]

When you're playing a champion level occasionally you will fall into a trap

Who was he playing? In what game? Where?

I think he was giving up "Break, ball in hand" to a pretty good player.

Dennis has had a lot of gambling experience and you can't get to his level being a "quitter" or a "nit". I have a feeling he has plenty of "heart" from what I've heard other players say. When you're playing a champion level occasionally you will fall into a trap, and when it's obvious it's hard to take.

This doesn't justify quitting in the middle of the set, but it does give grounds. Without knowing the details I'll leave it at that.

 

[JesseBfan]

I have quite a few videos of him -- whats he done that makes you find that comical?

Ill PM you just one of my experiences with him. I actually wrote it all down years ago. I've lived in the same town as him for a long long time and have numerous reasons to feel the way I do. All justified. As soon as I find the write-up ill send it to you.

 

[ironman]

You mean the point that you made up for me? I don't detest any of them. The op asked for names, I gave him four. That's four more than you apparently came up with.

No, sorry, not aiming at you but more at the op.
i can name many but that would leave some and just not be fair.

 

[Lucky_Lew66]

its funny yall crack me up ,eventually everyones name will be on the list...some of these players on the list i have seen go off plenty of times over 25 years, hell you might as well add Strickland to the list, and how many times has he went bazzerk on peeps, when i first met him in Toledo at the Glass City Open he was super personable,talk to you ,he ordered a pizza and asked my buddy and me if we wanted some of it,of course he has always been my buddies idle. They all have their good days and bad days,like all of us. the guys that stand out are the ones that you never seen get mad and throw a fit and just roll with the punches....Nick Varner would probably be one, although i saw him in a pool hall i used to frequent and he didnt have 2 words to say, not hey fellas how yall doin, and i know he is a nice guy,even tempered,that why he was so tough to beat ,you couldnt put him on tilt. Tried to talk to Efren at the Derby and he just looked at me like,who the hell are you man to be talking to me, I wasnt impressed with his character. Buddy Hall is real personable, Johny A is too. Ralph Souquet is one of my favorite players,but he isnt real personable. John Schmitt is a really nice guy,sat beside him one year at the Derby when he first started playing there,he talked me and my buddies ear off,we had a personal commentator...lol...Corey Duel is real personable. One of my new favorites is Pagulyon, hes a hoot.

 

[CreeDo]

I can see why people say you gotta know them in person, to respect them.
But you can kind of get a sense of people's character when you hear about
some of the good and bad things they've done over the years.

They may have a hidden side to their personality, but most of the time...
the duck test applies. If someone acts like a respectable person by every account
I've ever heard, I will give 'em respect. Call it probationary respect.