Pro Pool in America

I don't see why you are so vehemently opposed to this sentence, it is pretty benign in it's context.
 
Stop and think!

Nobody want
MikeJanis said:
I have been reading over this thread quite intensely. I see many ideas that involve TV and outside sponsorships. For those in that line of thought there is 1 BIG problem.s us. Pool that is.

The big question that nobody seems to understand is HOW DO WE GET FROM HERE TO THERE (there being getting corporate sponsorships)

You need to understand that many promoters have tried and they have all failed to get and keep large outside industry sponsors. The basic problem as I see it is that we do not have much to sell them.

I have a plan to change that. It's a real good one and it will work if it gets off the ground with the funding from the BCA.

Instead of 1 promoter offering 1 TV event or 7 for that matter my system will offer large corporate sponsors nationwide advertising on hundreds of events each year which will include television, Internet, local distribution and on and on. After talking and negotiation with outside industry corporations I have found this is exactly what they want and are willing to pay for. They need large numbers and proof that those numbers exist.

In addition, I took what they (corporate sponsors) want and combined it what we have and what we (WE being the billiard industry and sport) need and put it in a simple little package that is easy to understand and sell to everyone.

The big problem with my and everyones else's ideas that would help the sport lies in the funding and longevity to get thing rolling. It's easy to talk about TV events but it is extremely difficult to come up with the $150-175K need to produce the events.

My plan puts all of the factors into play. Its a plan that I have been working on for 4 solid years and it will take up to the next 5 years to fully implement so it can sustain its self.

One of the main goals of the system I am proposing calls for cooperation among many in the billiard industry including players, rooms, pro-shops, manufactures, the fans and the promoters. Through this cooperation we can streamline our effirts to compliment each other and build our sport to the highest possible level.

For the next few months until the BCA Trade Expo in June I ask that everyone here work together for this one goal and only this one goal. If it is achieved, everyone in our sport will share in the benefits.

Mj
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Mike, I admire your efforts at promoting our sport. That is your job as
a promoter for your employee (Viking Cues).However to slam some other
orginization, who also is trying to work in a positive direction is very
counter-productive on your part.
 
SJDinPHX said:
Nobody want
Mike, I admire your efforts at promoting our sport. That is your job as
a promoter for your employee (Viking Cues).However to slam some other
orginization, who also is trying to work in a positive direction is very
counter-productive on your part.
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I'm not slamming any other organization in that post. What are you talking about ?


Correction...Viking Cues is not my employer or employee. They are the title sponsor of my company that bids the highest to get that right. I am the owner of 8002007665, Inc. dba, Mike Janis Productions which manages and promotes The Viking Cue 9-Ball Tour Mj
 
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jimmy-leggs said:
OK......I'm going to have to say something.......How can we promote the game when everyone talks about 9-ball,10 ball,14.1,straight pool,etc.Sure there is 50 million people that play pool,but of that 50 million,45 million play 8 BALL.So please everyone,if pool is going to be a mega money making sport it HAS TO BE presented with the MASSES in mind.
How can you possibly get huge sponsors or attraction from the every day social pool player when all you see are games you have never played or heard of ?
I know what all the die hard pool players are going to think of this, BUT its time to wake up,pool will never be what pool should be until the pro's,the industry,the overall format switches over to 8 BALL.And Until that,people won't give a rats ass.
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I think that the 9-ball started tobe the game was to please the TV viewers to begin with more action and more exciting.
 
That's What I'm Known For.... My DRINKING

MikeJanis said:
I am the owner of 8002007665, Inc. dba, Mike Janis Productions Mj
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AHA !
A non-profit organization.

Doug
( I suspected as much ) :)
 
IMO you have to have a path like in every other major american sport, to becoming a pro. And then like in other major american individual sports have seeding. Is SVB the best player in the world...probably not, I don't know. You have to start with kids (have something like a little leauge), then you have to have it in college just like basketball, baseball or football. Then have a minor leauge something like what Mr. Janis is doing. Then....(are you ready for this?) have ONE yes ONE, governing body of pool. You can have different games with different rankings, but ONE body of professional pool, you have a ladies side, and a mens side. Thats it I dont think anything else in america will legitamize the game except for this model.
 
Smorgass Bored said:
AHA !
A non-profit organization.

Doug
( I suspected as much ) :)
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Other than non profit being able to get different types of sponsorship, i.e GM won't give you a car for prizes unless you are non profit. and the fact that they give a % to charity, what would be the issue of them being a non profit? I guess I'm not sure about the "AHA I thought as much" comment. Does that somehow have a negative to it? Please let me know.
 
Im sorry to say but many people on here are fairly clueless about how to better promote and make the sport more appealing and bring money into it,doing the same things decade after decade and going nowhere isnt very bright.From my observations i am thinking the best way to make pool more publicly appealing and bigger in the future is to start with the youth,they are the future.I have been pondering why there is not an instructor or teacher in every pool room to teach young kids to play.In alot of overseas places the youth are taught at a young age and they grow with the game.The marketing of alot of big businesses has directed money in advertising to teens and also kids, look at the tobacco companies,they arent dummies.I mean look at a Hess truck geared towards kids,there are alot of things companies do to promote their business to people at an early age.I think over in Asia this approach to nurturing the developement of billiards in their youth is what is starting to seperate them from the the US and also the world as a whole.It would be a great idea if poolrooms had a day perhaps on Saturday or Sunday in the beginning of the day when the room is slow where the kids could come in and play and be taught by the room owner or house pro for a few hours while they are there.I think it would get alot of kids away from the video games and whatnot and also bring them into the sport young,its a new market where as the kids grow they keep buying and supporting pool as adults.Imagine walking into a poolroom tommorow and there are 15-20 kids there learning pool, the room owners charge $5 a head for say 3-4 hours of them playing,its a good way to make some money during the slow daytime period and the kids will grow up and be customers for your future,you need to be thinking longterm.Alot of people who are parents and are in leagues and tournaments would probably like this idea and would help out and bring there kids in and also be able to play alittle themselves.I think doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity IMO,you have to try something new.I would like to see instructors,room owners and house pros try this and see how rewarding it will be plus it will make you money down the line.If i was able to instruct then i would donate my time to this but i dont feel i am qualified to teach but perhaps down the road i will try to become a certified instructor. :)
 
I Jes Tell Em, I Dont Splain Em (usually)

bfdlad said:
Other than non profit being able to get different types of sponsorship, i.e GM won't give you a car for prizes unless you are non profit. and the fact that they give a % to charity, what would be the issue of them being a non profit? I guess I'm not sure about the "AHA I thought as much" comment. Does that somehow have a negative to it? Please let me know.
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It was a humorous shot at Mike Janis, because of his traveling, clothing, laundry, rooms, meals, expenses, playing in tournaments, gambling and an occassional drink or two, etc., that he's not making any money. Get it ?
Doug

Edited to add: You may enjoy AZB much more if you simply put me on Ignore...... others do. (imo) :)


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SJDinPHX said:
MJ I think he's refering yo the "Firing squad" remark. If he is, I agree.
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JDinPHX, either I am confused or you (JDinPHX) are misrepresenting what you posted earlier when quoting me in post #42 of this thread.

Now you state he's refering to when I think it should read "you are refering to" or "I am refering to" . Either way, on post #42 you qouted something I wrote then you wrote that "However to slam some other
orginization, who also is trying to work in a positive direction is very
counter-productive on your part."

Which at no point in time did I slam any person or organization in that post or this thread. Which is very misleading on your part and hints towards making inuendo's with no representation which I believe is punishable by being put "in front of a firing squad" LOL :) :) :)

Anyway, snce I now reveived your PM I know what you were talking about but nobody else does. So lets tell'em. In your post #42 you wer actualling talking about another thread entirely.

Is that correct ? I'm pretty sure it is.

For the record, I am not slamming the WPA in that thread but I am slamming the person(s) that suggested those rules. My tour, the Viking Tour has been playing under the WPA rules since 1994 or so. I even wrote the WPA thanking them for providing the WPA 9-ball rules.


Mj
 
Smorgass Bored said:
It was a humorous shot at Mike Janis, because of his traveling, clothing, laundry, rooms, meals, expenses, playing in tournaments, gambling and an occassional drink or two, etc., that he's not making any money. Get it ?
Doug
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I got it. Doug, can I eat and stay at your house when i do my next FL event ? I need to save the dough because the BCA BOD meeting / proposal is setting me a little behind at the moment and I need to utilize every resource I can get my hands on to make it work.

Whatcha say ? I'll just eat sammiches all week.
 
I hate when people post after me and say what I said while in the same breath acting like they were the first ones to say it I mean seriously wtf.
 
RunoutalloverU said:
I hate when people post after me and say what I said while in the same breath acting like they were the first ones to say it I mean seriously wtf.
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If your referring to me then i went more in depth into the subject and also didnt read your post,if you really want to get into then look back through my post and you will see months back i brought this up and perhaps you read it but as usual its overlooked because people prefer to do the same thing and talk about a gambling show,sorry i dont think it will take off unless you have a large audience which pool doesnt have,but years from now perhaps that audience will be there if we start with kids. :)
 
Smorgass Bored said:
It was a humorous shot at Mike Janis, because of his traveling, clothing, laundry, rooms, meals, expenses, playing in tournaments, gambling and an occassional drink or two, etc., that he's not making any money. Get it ?
Doug

Edited to add: You may enjoy AZB much more if you simply put me on Ignore...... others do. (imo) :)


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It was obviously an inside joke that I have no idea of. I will NOT put you on ignor. I am always willing to learn from anyone and I really was asking the question as I saw it and not being a ass. Again I will not put you on ignor as I think from time to time you make sense, you do get on my nerves a bit but I have to keep all my options open for any knowledge I can get. You may want to put me on ignor though because I will keep asking questions and if they seem dumb Sorry.
 
Fast Lenny said:
If your referring to me then i went more in depth into the subject and also didnt read your post,if you really want to get into then look back through my post and you will see months back i brought this up and perhaps you read it but as usual its overlooked because people prefer to do the same thing and talk about a gambling show,sorry i dont think it will take off unless you have a large audience which pool doesnt have,but years from now perhaps that audience will be there if we start with kids. :)
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Lenny, Lets talk to Kolby's about doing something on a weekend. I will give it a shot and help however I can. I can't teach though. Let me know I agree and it will feel good to do something like that .
 
Do I LOOK Abby Normal ?

bfdlad said:
It was obviously an inside joke that I have no idea of. I will NOT put you on ignore. I am always willing to learn from anyone and I really was asking the question as I saw it and not being a ass. Again I will not put you on ignore as I think from time to time you make sense, you do get on my nerves a bit but I have to keep all my options open for any knowledge I can get. You may want to put me on ignore though because I will keep asking questions and if they seem dumb Sorry.
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No, I don't think you're questions are dumb, I just think I'm not to your liking. You see, you just joined AZB this month and Mike and I (and 30-50 others) go back 8-10 years on these boards (AZB & RSB). I try NOT to make my posts sound like inside jokes and I 'thought' my previous post was rather self explanatory, but apparently I was mistaken.
Doug
( Btw, I doubt seriously if you will EVER get any knowledge from me.... I just don't have it in me ) :)
 
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