Problems with Perry Weston and the ACA.
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It's nobody's business what I sold it for.(I lost a great deal of money on this!) But, there are no complaints as I stated earlier.
I started this thread for informational proposes regarding Perry and the ACA. To make it known as to what happened and how the situation was handled. One thing I can tell you is that ACA wanted me to sell the cue, rather them try to deal with it anymore. I gave this whole thing almost a month and a half to come to a resolution.(that was ample time) And, after Perry sent that last nasty email right after Dave Jacoby had got of the phone with him. I knew there was no way anything positive was happening. Perry never gave Dave a reason as to why he would not fix the cue. And, Dave never asked him directly. Also, spoke to Jim Buss who is the chairman of the ethics committee and he just told me more or less that it was up to Dave to handle it. So, when I called back to Dave's shop his secretary questioned me as to way I was calling. Dave had told her that we had come to a resolution. The resolution being, me selling the cue!
I reported Perry to the Better Business Bureau, just so they would have this dispute on file against his business. Next was this forum. I wanted this all to show up on the internet in the form of a search under Perry Weston's name and this thread has accomplished that task. All the replies and the views have pushed this to the first page of the google search engine.(it's the 4th line item) http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=perry+weston&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Well, my business on this thread is done. If any of you have any further questions regarding the matter feel free to contact any of the other parties involved.(Dave Jacoby, Perry Weston, Jim Buss, Board members of the ACA, and most importantly God)
Peace!!!!
P.S. qbilder this is for you and some of the others on here, it was sent to me by another member.
I started this thread for informational proposes regarding Perry and the ACA. To make it known as to what happened and how the situation was handled. One thing I can tell you is that ACA wanted me to sell the cue, rather them try to deal with it anymore. I gave this whole thing almost a month and a half to come to a resolution.(that was ample time) And, after Perry sent that last nasty email right after Dave Jacoby had got of the phone with him. I knew there was no way anything positive was happening. Perry never gave Dave a reason as to why he would not fix the cue. And, Dave never asked him directly. Also, spoke to Jim Buss who is the chairman of the ethics committee and he just told me more or less that it was up to Dave to handle it. So, when I called back to Dave's shop his secretary questioned me as to way I was calling. Dave had told her that we had come to a resolution. The resolution being, me selling the cue!
I reported Perry to the Better Business Bureau, just so they would have this dispute on file against his business. Next was this forum. I wanted this all to show up on the internet in the form of a search under Perry Weston's name and this thread has accomplished that task. All the replies and the views have pushed this to the first page of the google search engine.(it's the 4th line item) http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=perry+weston&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Well, my business on this thread is done. If any of you have any further questions regarding the matter feel free to contact any of the other parties involved.(Dave Jacoby, Perry Weston, Jim Buss, Board members of the ACA, and most importantly God)
Peace!!!!P.S. qbilder this is for you and some of the others on here, it was sent to me by another member.
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If any of you have any further questions regarding the matter fell free to contact any of the other parties involved.(Dave Jacoby, Perry Weston, Jim Buss, Board members of the ACA, and most importantly God)
You attempt to ruin a man's career and life, even bringing down his friends and associates as well. Then you sell your trash to an unknowing victim without disclosing the fact that it was trash. And you tell us that we need contact God? One word sums up the entire thread......hypocrisy
You're splitting hairs. Yes, you used the generic selection of the item being a possible factory second or exhibiting defects...but you did not complete the rest of the what ebay offers in detailing the defects in the body of your listing. Furthermore, the photos you included in your listing did NOT include the ones that you had sent out, and were posted here, put that you requested be taken down, and refused numerous requests to have re-posted.
Reminds me of someone I know who asked their roommate to feed their dog in the kennel while they were gone on vacation. The roommate maybe fed the dog on the first day or two, and then disappeared on a bender. The dog's owner came home to find the dog emaciated and near death from malnutrition and the roommate showed a day later. His response was..."but I fed your dog."
I do not care that you eventually sold the cue outside of eBay. Your eBay listing was/is indicative of your character. Trying to convince people otherwise at this point is nothing more than pissing in the wind. You've burned yourself in this forum...good luck in trying to sell anything here after this.
Lisa =====>square with her God.
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It's nobody's business what I sold it for.(I lost a good deal of money on this!) But, there are no complaints as I stated earlier.
I started this thread for informational proposes regarding Perry and the ACA. To make it known as to what happened and how the situation was handled. One thing I can tell you is that ACA wanted me to sell the cue, rather them try to deal with it anymore. I gave this whole thing almost a month and a half to come to a resolution.(that was ample time) And, after Perry sent that last nasty email right after Dave Jacoby had got of the phone with him. I knew there was no way anything positive was happening. Perry never gave Dave a reason as to why he would not fix the cue. And, Dave never asked him directly. Also, spoke to Jim Buss who is the chairman of the ethics committee and he just told me more or less that it was up to Dave to handle it. So, when I called back to Dave's shop his secretary questioned me as to way I was calling. Dave had told her that we had come to a resolution. The resolution being, me selling the cue!
I reported Perry to the Better Business Bureau, just so they would have this dispute on file against his business. Next was this forum. I wanted this all to show up on the internet in the form of a search under Perry Weston's name and this thread has accomplished that task. All the replies and the views have pushed this to the first page of the google search engine.(it's the 4th line item) http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=perry+weston&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Well, my business on the thread is done. If any of you have any further questions regarding the matter feel free to contact any of the other parties involved.(Dave Jacoby, Perry Weston, Jim Buss, Board members of the ACA, and most importantly God)
Dude, every time you come up with an explanation it raises other questions. You say you gave this a month and a half to come to a resolution and it was only after Perry's last email to you that you gave up and decided to sell the cue. According to you, you received the cue on 9/3 then a month and a half would make it about 10/18. The last email I saw from Perry (post #91) was right at this time, on 10/17.
The problem with this testimony is that you were trying to dump the cue on Ebay before this. The listing ENDED on 10/11, so it was up for sale well before the time you claim you were still trying to work things out. You had also stated that you were waiting for Dave to get back from the Open which wouldn't have been until some time after the 23th. Again, it was on Ebay weeks before this.
What would have happened had Dave come back and told you Perry agreed to fix it? The cue was sold but hadn't been paid for yet. Are we supposed to believe that after trying to dump this on somebody on Ebay and finally selling it to someone at a "big loss", you were trying to get the cue repaired so the new owner could have the fixed one at the supposedly fire sale price? It seems way more likely you would have backed out of your deal with the buyer after having agreed to sell it to him.
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Sad part of this is, by all accounts, he started out with a legitimate complaint. However, that did not give him carte blanche for what followed. If this is what his personal ethics are like...makes one wonder as to his business ethics. :thud:
Lisa
it is VERY EASY for Mr Weston to save his career and his bussiness. Ask JoeyB who he sell his cue, and offer that person for a rebuild cue or a refund money. Say sorry to joeyb about his action and put it down to this thread. It is not compilcated at all.. if someone make a mistake, someone must have a guts to say sorry. His career will ruin up if he continued ducking from his mistake.
It is also VERY EASY for ACA to save their honor. Promise to making some regulation to handle such situation in the future. And say sorry to all of us (past unhappy customer) because their lack of experience. It is not hard thing to do. it is very simple. We can forgive and forgot. Everybody can make mistake in their life. But, If ACA do not want take this experience and ignore it. I am sure that is their lost. Someday people and customer will give up for trust them. ACA Logo on every member of cuemaker site does not mean anything positive in the future.
About JoeyB action wheter he is a honest man or dishonest man, i don't care at all. He must be a victim on this situation, that is for sure. Maybe he tried to "trap" his buyer on ebay or maybe not. If he put a "trap" and try to ripped of his buyer ( I can understand his situation), i know his intention is not to rob the buyer but to save some of his lost. But, i believe Mr Weston intention is worse than JoeyB did, i hope i am wrong. But until Mr Weston put some comment in this thread, we all can not know the true story.
Best
Dedy:smile:
Dedy...you are far too trusting my friend. Bottom line here is two wrongs do not make a right.
Lisa
I don't understand why Joey is still green and not red.
Seriously, you were pretty open with your business when you wanted every ones sympathy. Now, when you get pegged a 2 bit shyster, its a big FU and none of your business.
No complaints eh?
Really, and we should take your word for that, right?
Well of course it is, the hole you dug is too deep to climb out of.
You have some large ass balls to mention God in this thread.
I'm going to give you a big Red Rep for your last post and I hope every one else does as well. You'll have to change your user name if you want to hang out.
I can only hope that Paul Drexler gets wind of this thread and runs quick.
I can't see how any self respecting cue maker would want to deal with a scum bag such as yourself.
Hahahaha, you look so good in RED buddy!
Seriously, you were pretty open with your business when you wanted every ones sympathy. Now, when you get pegged a 2 bit shyster, its a big FU and none of your business.
No complaints eh?
Really, and we should take your word for that, right?
Well of course it is, the hole you dug is too deep to climb out of.
You have some large ass balls to mention God in this thread.
I'm going to give you a big Red Rep for your last post and I hope every one else does as well. You'll have to change your user name if you want to hang out.
I can only hope that Paul Drexler gets wind of this thread and runs quick.
I can't see how any self respecting cue maker would want to deal with a scum bag such as yourself.
Hahahaha, you look so good in RED buddy!
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You weren't wrong to sell the cue. You were wrong in how you TRIED to sell it on eBay. Are you so thick headed that you can't see that? If so, there is no hope for you.
I believe you when you say the cue was a POS, but since it's gone can you prove it? And not just with pictures! You should not have started this thread without being able to provide the cue for inspection. IOW, you sold your proof. You should have kept your mouth shut after getting rid of the cue. PERIOD.
You say you're done with this thread. Good riddance!
You have to admit, that the swan song sung by an indignant OP before they stomp off into the sunset is always good for a laugh.
They might not post any more but you can bet your butt that they are still reading.
They might not post any more but you can bet your butt that they are still reading.
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Anything I have to say on a forum can be said openly. It is, after all, an open discussion forum. Sometimes my words don't sound right & sometimes I delete posts because there's simply no sense in saying what I said. But it's all in the open no matter what. It's no surprise I sometimes rub folks the wrong way. And that doesn't bother me. We are all human & we all have our own point of view. We don't always agree. I say my part & if somebody doesn't agree with it, that doesn't make them bad people that I don't like. It just means they feel differently than I. I like to think that most of the people on this forum share that sentiment. But I know there are some who are childish & shallow that take things to heart & let hatred consume them over petty online conversations. They have to deal with that, not me. I'm ok with folks thinking i'm an idiot retard & has to talk about it in private because they don't want to look foolish saying it in public. That's fine. I'm not the one hiding my true feelings & character.
there are 2 sides to every story
I have known Perry since 1995 and have bought dozens of his cues all directly from him.
Some were for me, some for my son and some to sell.
Some were special order and some were already built and bought sight unseen. Every single Perry Weston cue that I bought was flaw free. I NEVER HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE WITH ANY OF THOSE CUES OR ANY TRANSACTIONS WITH PERRY AND WOULD NOT HESITATE TO BUY ANOTHER ONE OF HIS CUES FROM HIM TODAY. I still have a shaft from one of Perry's cues from 1997 that is still dead nuts straight.
The last Perry Weston cue that I sold was a fancy silver/ebony to Dave Daya. I still remember the day when Dave took me upstairs to his pool room just above Mt. Carmel Auto Parts store to test drive 6 cues I had
for sale. I never saw anyone buy a cue the way Davey does. Here's how it went:
He would throw 2 handfuls of balls on the table, randomly select the first cue, then just shoot. The other cues, which I won't name, were then returned to the dealer's case after about only 5 shots. Cue #2, same thing, Cue #3, same thing. Cue #4, runs 6 racks and said, "SOLD".
Never got to cues 5 & 6. Only then he starts looking at the construction and said, "Ya know, this is best playing cue I ever held and I've had all kinds of cues over the years, I knew it as soon as I picked it up it was going to be good, but I didn't expect it to be this good." Unlike the majority of cue buyers, points, inlays, ivory etc. is secondary.
Davey says, Fancy doesn't make balls".
So you have heard my story, and you've heard the other version, but no one has heard Perry's story.
A few final words from my own personal experience:
"Perry makes a great cue and is a stand up guy and has always treated me like a life long friend and not just a customer."
Second, "For every action there is a reaction."
Finally..."All is not what it appears to be."
I have known Perry since 1995 and have bought dozens of his cues all directly from him.
Some were for me, some for my son and some to sell.
Some were special order and some were already built and bought sight unseen. Every single Perry Weston cue that I bought was flaw free. I NEVER HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE WITH ANY OF THOSE CUES OR ANY TRANSACTIONS WITH PERRY AND WOULD NOT HESITATE TO BUY ANOTHER ONE OF HIS CUES FROM HIM TODAY. I still have a shaft from one of Perry's cues from 1997 that is still dead nuts straight.
The last Perry Weston cue that I sold was a fancy silver/ebony to Dave Daya. I still remember the day when Dave took me upstairs to his pool room just above Mt. Carmel Auto Parts store to test drive 6 cues I had
for sale. I never saw anyone buy a cue the way Davey does. Here's how it went:
He would throw 2 handfuls of balls on the table, randomly select the first cue, then just shoot. The other cues, which I won't name, were then returned to the dealer's case after about only 5 shots. Cue #2, same thing, Cue #3, same thing. Cue #4, runs 6 racks and said, "SOLD".
Never got to cues 5 & 6. Only then he starts looking at the construction and said, "Ya know, this is best playing cue I ever held and I've had all kinds of cues over the years, I knew it as soon as I picked it up it was going to be good, but I didn't expect it to be this good." Unlike the majority of cue buyers, points, inlays, ivory etc. is secondary.
Davey says, Fancy doesn't make balls".
So you have heard my story, and you've heard the other version, but no one has heard Perry's story.
A few final words from my own personal experience:
"Perry makes a great cue and is a stand up guy and has always treated me like a life long friend and not just a customer."
Second, "For every action there is a reaction."
Finally..."All is not what it appears to be."
Yeah like that.
I never read the thread originally because I dislike threads where people try to use the negativity which is pretty easy to stir up here on AZ as a tool to gain leverage in some personal vendetta. PW may have delivered a substandard cue, stuff happens, the test is not whether people make mistakes, the true test is how people handle the mistakes they make.
PW and the OP are two different folks. PW might be impossible to deal with and not give a crap at all about his customers or the OP might be extremely hard to deal with, and, just guessing by what he was willing to do in his eBay ad, the OP might have been slightly loose with the facts about how that whole deal went down. PW, not being a member here, is a bit defenseless and I'd be a little hesitant to skewer him on the words of the OP.
Bringing the ACA in for pressure seems a bit like the same bully tactic as bringing AZ in, it all just feels a little like yelling to me.
Here's what I'm saying. I'm betting that if Weston sent me that cue I could have worked it out to my satisfaction with Perry and I wouldn't have had to pull the weight (or lack thereof) of the ACA or AZ Billiards into the situation at all.
Thanks
Kevin
This thread got spun in a crazy direction.
- PW sent the OP a terrible cue that was nowhere near not only his standards - but nowhere near the standards of a Meucci replica from China.
- There aren't two sides to this story, in my opinion--- there's one side... and that's the cue. The cue doesn't lie. The cue is what it is. The cue's workmanship is a joke.
- No matter what was said prior to the delivery of the cue, PW wasn't justified in letting that cue leave his shop. By PW sending it out, he not only hurt the client, he hurt his reputation needlessly.
- I saw the pictures of the cue and they were horrific- plain and simple. The pictures where not Photoshopped in any way. If anyone claims those pics are photoshopped, point out the inconsistent anomalies in the pics.
- Another renowned cue maker looked at the pics and was flabbergasted. He also questioned if PW used ebony at all in the forearm, as was claimed. He also questioned if purple heart was used within the points as claimed since the grain matches the forearm grain.
- To yell at the OP for "not waiting long enough" to resolve this in private is lunacy. He received the cue well over a month ago and received a "cry to your mother" email back from PW. After a comment like that--- the OP had every right to make this thread.
- The OP made a ebay post trying to sell the cue and called it defective / factory second. He was vilified for not cataloging every issue to great detail. Fact is, he sold the cue in a transaction outside of ebay at a loss to a dealer who is happy with the transaction (because he got it cheap, as he should have).
- How much the OP sold the cue for is no one's business to ask and is irrelevant to this thread.
- What IS relevant is the cue---- which PW made--- which left his shop looking like someone like myself built it... and I never built a cue. If PW made 1000000 perfect cues in a row has no bearing on the state of the cue in question. Does PW get a "BYE" because he made awesome cues in the past? Did the OP make the cue himself and put PW's name on it? Please. What is relevant is PW should explain himself for that hack job and for putting the OP through this mess. Is it OK to send a crap cue out if you don't like your client and tell your client--- yours as-is??
So, hopefully we'll get back on topic:
Since some of you know PW and bought tons of cues from this guy--- why did he send that "junk" out to begin with? Everything after that is not relevant to the thread.
- PW sent the OP a terrible cue that was nowhere near not only his standards - but nowhere near the standards of a Meucci replica from China.
- There aren't two sides to this story, in my opinion--- there's one side... and that's the cue. The cue doesn't lie. The cue is what it is. The cue's workmanship is a joke.
- No matter what was said prior to the delivery of the cue, PW wasn't justified in letting that cue leave his shop. By PW sending it out, he not only hurt the client, he hurt his reputation needlessly.
- I saw the pictures of the cue and they were horrific- plain and simple. The pictures where not Photoshopped in any way. If anyone claims those pics are photoshopped, point out the inconsistent anomalies in the pics.
- Another renowned cue maker looked at the pics and was flabbergasted. He also questioned if PW used ebony at all in the forearm, as was claimed. He also questioned if purple heart was used within the points as claimed since the grain matches the forearm grain.
- To yell at the OP for "not waiting long enough" to resolve this in private is lunacy. He received the cue well over a month ago and received a "cry to your mother" email back from PW. After a comment like that--- the OP had every right to make this thread.
- The OP made a ebay post trying to sell the cue and called it defective / factory second. He was vilified for not cataloging every issue to great detail. Fact is, he sold the cue in a transaction outside of ebay at a loss to a dealer who is happy with the transaction (because he got it cheap, as he should have).
- How much the OP sold the cue for is no one's business to ask and is irrelevant to this thread.
- What IS relevant is the cue---- which PW made--- which left his shop looking like someone like myself built it... and I never built a cue. If PW made 1000000 perfect cues in a row has no bearing on the state of the cue in question. Does PW get a "BYE" because he made awesome cues in the past? Did the OP make the cue himself and put PW's name on it? Please. What is relevant is PW should explain himself for that hack job and for putting the OP through this mess. Is it OK to send a crap cue out if you don't like your client and tell your client--- yours as-is??
So, hopefully we'll get back on topic:
Since some of you know PW and bought tons of cues from this guy--- why did he send that "junk" out to begin with? Everything after that is not relevant to the thread.
Good Post my friend..
maybe you all need another thread about the OP and his attitude with selling the junk cue on ebay. But from my point of view this thread is all about the OP, Perry WEston and ACA. We can not mix the whole thing up, it won't give us any positive.
Something positive has come out of this thread. It has identified at least two people I won't buy a cue from.
The cue wasn't sold on ebay. It was sold through a private transaction.
Dave,
Like you, I've never built a cue. Have no idea how to build a cue. I know poop when I smell it. Don't even have to see it. But I did see it!
This entire thread was one bash after another. Sometimes correct, sometimes not. Regardless of who is right, a injustice was done to a member of the AZ community. Perhaps several members. A cue maker whos previous offerings brought great joy to owners had his reputation dragged through the mud. In a way, both lost. We lost as well because posts got personal. One cue maker turned against another. Cue dealer against cue dealer. Friend against friend.
Can someone please tell me what I was supposed to learn or take from this thread. I'm confused.
Lyn