quality shaft standards

rhncue

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I was wondering what most would consider to be the limiting factor in your choice of shafts? The least amount of growth rings allowed? What amount of wiggle in the straightness of the grain and at which end of the shaft do you put it? How much Sugar or mineral streaks do you allow and where on the shaft before you decide not to use it? If the shaft has any bark inclusions do you still use it? What about highlights? Lastly, do you consider white, non-bleached shafts as inferior or a selling point?

Dick
 
There is no right answer.
Usually higher the grain the heavier it is. I believe kiln/vaccum drying ruins the wood. Maple will crystalize through time and create natural lamination. It's called crystalized/petrified wood. My best playing shafts have 4-8 grains per inch and are partially crystalized. This maple was in a guys barn for 25 years.
Shafts are the most difficult part of cue building.
 
My preferences:
10 or more growth rings, the higher the better
1/8" runout in general on the pro taper part, a bit more on the joint end .
Straightest grain on smallest part of shaft.
2-3 minor mineral marks don't bother me anywhere on the shaft.
No bark.
White shafts are for selling point only. I like the natural colored shafts best.
Highlights??
thanks
John
 
Ridge Runner said:
My preferences:
10 or more growth rings, the higher the better
1/8" runout in general on the pro taper part, a bit more on the joint end .
Straightest grain on smallest part of shaft.
2-3 minor mineral marks don't bother me anywhere on the shaft.
No bark.
White shafts are for selling point only. I like the natural colored shafts best.
Highlights??
thanks
John

I agree with John, but 8 growth lines to the inch, is my lowest...JER
 
natural color

Real white shafts look to phony to me, and when i am playing i do not spend much time looking at the shaft. I have found a lot of my customers feel the same. They want that 20 plus growth rings that seems to have a more solid feel, and color is secondary. A lot of players started playing in bars or pool halls that have the old one piece house cues that are dirty brown, and they, like me just got use to the color. I believe the way a shaft hits is much more improtant than the way it looks. chuck
 
I don't count much out if the shaft is stable and dense. Color doesn't mean that much to me and some using them. If the customer has no problem with sugar they want a good playing cue I use em. Someone is picky on the color I accommodate them. Some of my best playing shafts are not white, high growth ring, absolutely straight grained, no sugar please. A little color on the shaft doesn't bother me at all. Then again I have seen people change shafts because they got chalk on the ferrule. To each their own..

John
 
i like 15-30 rpi but will use 10.i will not use vacuum-kiln dry and i try not to use wood with lots of dark sugar spots.no bark for sure.
 
I like to go with 10 or more growth rings...color isn't as important except I've had some shaft wood have a reddish tint...I didn't use it...the grain on playing shafts has to be very to dead straight or I use it on jump or j/b cues...no bark for sure and no mineral streaks on playing shafts...minimal on j/b's...
 
Color is not a factor for me, so long as it is a consistent color & not blotchy. Suger lines are fine, even in high quantities, but the dark mineral patches need to be at a minimum or non-existent. White, brown, yellow is no difference to me so long as the wood is dense, stable & resiliant. No vacuum for me. Bark is a no-no unless extreme minimal. Knots are fine if near the joint. Birdseyes are fine. Straight grain is a bonus, but some wavy grain is ok if the shaft meets all other criteria & is stable.

Grain lines can vary from 5-70 in my shafts. Usually the lower grain count is used on lower end cues, but it's still great shafts. All of my shafts need to be stable, strong, & alive with high flex return memory. Nothing else much matters to me. I use shafts ranging from 3.5oz. up to 4.3oz. I honestly like the middle weight shafts, mostly in the 4.0 range. I won't use anything heavier than 4.3oz, throw them away or turn them down to thin shafts. Overall, the shaft must be playable and responsive. Asthetics are secondary.
 
qbilder said:
I honestly like the middle weight shafts, mostly in the 4.0 range. I won't use anything heavier than 4.3oz, throw them away or turn them down to thin shafts.

Hi Eric,

Just wondering what your reasoning is behind this. I have a shaft that weighs 4.55oz and love it. Just curious to know why you chose 4.3 as your max.

Thanks in advance,
Koop
 
The weight of the shaft, if it's the true weight & not because of brass joint insert, will be distributed according to taper. A 4.5oz. shaft with a 13mm tip & .850" joint is going to be heavy enough at the tip to noticeably increase deflection. It's also heavy enough to begin slowing the reflex of the shaft down after impact. Nothing is gospel & there are exceptions to every rule, but the above reasons have been my experience.

Keep in mind that this is my experience based on my taper with 13mm shafts. Other taper shapes & tip diameters can most definitely have their own rules to follow. What does not work well on my cues may work great on somebody else's. I play with all of my cues, and am constantly experimenting/evolving in my methods. I am a somewhat serious player & am interested in maximum performance and ease of use. I have found that cues with 15oz. butts & 4oz. shafts with my dimensions have the overall best harmonics & balanced power. Everything seems to flow, come together & work in unison. From a player's point of view, it just feels better & is easier to use, as well as seems to be most accurate.

With heavy shafts I have trouble keeping the cue at 19oz. without putting the balance point too far forward, which after long hours can begin to irritate the grip hand's wrist. Too much forward balance also makes speed control a bit trickier. Combine speed control issues with a sore wrist & high tip-end-mass (deflection) and you get a cue that is unpleasant to use after 3 continuous hours of playing.

Light shafts are the other end of the spectrum. Keeping 19oz with the correct balance is easy enough, but the density of the wood is too low to give the snappy, strong rigidity that I prefer. The fibers are too loose in lightweight wood to give that sharp impact. Instead the wood gives way under impact & absorbs the energy, which in turn feels "dead" or like a thud. But 4oz. seems to be around the ideal weight for my taper. This is dense enough wood to give the strength but without having to sacrifice accuracy due to high tip-end-mass that heavy shafts have.

That's probably more of an answer than you were looking for, but as well described as I can. It's all about me, my personal preferences based on my personal experiences. Nothing above is gospel for anybody but myself. Even still I am evolving. I build every cue for myself, and folks who have similar feelings buy them. Two years ago I would have claimed heavy shafts were the best because I believed it. But now, a few thousand hours of table time later & a more refined playing skill, I have little by little changed my thinking on many things. As such, my cues little by little evolve with me & my game. I'll take the ride as far as it goes ;)
 
Thank you for the reply Eric. You always seem to give a little more than was requested and it's very much appreciated.
 
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rhncue said:
I was wondering what most would consider to be the limiting factor in your choice of shafts? The least amount of growth rings allowed? What amount of wiggle in the straightness of the grain and at which end of the shaft do you put it? How much Sugar or mineral streaks do you allow and where on the shaft before you decide not to use it? If the shaft has any bark inclusions do you still use it? What about highlights? Lastly, do you consider white, non-bleached shafts as inferior or a selling point?

Dick
Hi Dick,
I don't believe there are standards between cue maker to cue maker. All of us look at things differantly. Whatever works, for each of us, is the only thing that really matters. I personally do not like white wood, in my mind it's not got good memorie, and will warp sooner than the older darker woods, is best for me. In the olden days, we always looked for the darkest house cue, and they were always straight and hard a great hit and memorie..
Blud
 
blud said:
Hi Dick,
I don't believe there are standards between cue maker to cue maker. All of us look at things differantly. Whatever works, for each of us, is the only thing that really matters. I personally do not like white wood, in my mind it's not got good memorie, and will warp sooner than the older darker woods, is best for me. In the olden days, we always looked for the darkest house cue, and they were always straight and hard a great hit and memorie..
Blud

Hi Blud

Nice to hear from you. Hope its a little warmer in TX tonight than MT. Take care.
 
Jack Madden said:
Hi Blud

Nice to hear from you. Hope its a little warmer in TX tonight than MT. Take care.
Hi Jack, it's not to cold here. I'll see you in Valley Forge.
ACA is giving Janice an award, for her much hard work in helping found the association.
blud.
 
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