Question about pre flag chalk

SLIM

SLIM

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i am not looking to argue with anyone about this.

I would just like to know where people get their information about the difference between pre & post flag chalk.

I used to sell billiard supplies between 1980 & 1990 & i still have a couple of gross of pre flag chalk. (i do not want to sell it).

The information i was given by skip at TWEETEN is that there is no difference in the formula between pre & post flag chalk.
TWEETEN just wanted to pay a patriotic tribute after 9/11/01 & started putting the flag on the wrapper at that time.

any information would be appreciated.

Thanks,

SLIM
 
unobtainium

SLIM said:
i am not looking to argue with anyone about this.

I would just like to know where people get their information about the difference between pre & post flag chalk.

I used to sell billiard supplies between 1980 & 1990 & i still have a couple of gross of pre flag chalk. (i do not want to sell it).

The information i was given by skip at TWEETEN is that there is no difference in the formula between pre & post flag chalk.
TWEETEN just wanted to pay a patriotic tribute after 9/11/01 & started putting the flag on the wrapper at that time.

any information would be appreciated.

Thanks,

SLIM
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The preflag chalk has a tiny amount of unobtainium in it. As it gets older and harder to locate the unobtainium content naturally increases. Unobtainium is an ingredient that makes all things better and more expensive from chalk to gun powder.

Hu
 
I am talking about earth chalk

not pandorian.

Thanks for the input, anyway.

SLIM

shootingarts said:
the preflag chalk has a tiny amount of unobtainium in it. As it gets older and harder to locate the unobtainium content naturally increases. Unobtainium is an ingredient that makes all things better and more expensive from chalk to gun powder.

Hu
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Here's my take on it. It's not about pre-flag vs. post-flag. They are probably same formulation as skip from tweeten confirms it.

However, as the chalk gets older, it tends to get drier. The drier the chalk gets, fine particulates will crack into finer ones at a very small scale, and this will result in a more even and smooth coating when you chalk the tip.

This creates the illusion that pre-flag was a different formulation than the post-flag. I think old Masters coats similar to Blue Diamond, and there is certainly a difference between Blue Diamond/pre-flag and the newer post-flag Masters.
 
SLIM said:


The information i was given by skip at TWEETEN is that there is no difference in the formula between pre & post flag chalk.
TWEETEN just wanted to pay a patriotic tribute after 9/11/01 & started putting the flag on the wrapper at that time.

any information would be appreciated.

Thanks,

SLIM
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I was told the same thing by SKIP. The FLAG was a Symbol to the 9-11-01 Attack on the USA!
 
SLIM said:
i am not looking to argue with anyone about this.

I would just like to know where people get their information about the difference between pre & post flag chalk.

I used to sell billiard supplies between 1980 & 1990 & i still have a couple of gross of pre flag chalk. (i do not want to sell it).

The information i was given by skip at TWEETEN is that there is no difference in the formula between pre & post flag chalk.
TWEETEN just wanted to pay a patriotic tribute after 9/11/01 & started putting the flag on the wrapper at that time.

any information would be appreciated.

Thanks,

SLIM
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I get all of my chalk info from the Tweeten Historian at the Tweeten Hall of Chalk
 
Its my understanding that the EPA banned lead in the manufacture of paint, dyes, and pigments. Lead wasn't directly mixed in to the chalk. The lead came from the dye used for coloring the chalk. So, just because the dye manufacturers stopped using lead, didn't mean Tweeten stop using their existing suppliers.

FWIW, lead in paints have been replaced by titanium dioxide. Its the main blocking agent in sunscreen. Studies now show that it increases cancer risks in mice. Just like when we replaced sugar with saccharin.

You are correct, the American flag was place as a patriotic gesture in response to 9/11.
 
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Question about chalk ?

Are you saying that the older cue chalk gets, the finer it becomes, therefore it applies more even and makes a smoother coating? Does that mean that Blue Diamond and Kamui chalk is "aged" ???

SeanC said:
Here's my take on it. It's not about pre-flag vs. post-flag. They are probably same formulation as skip from tweeten confirms it.

However, as the chalk gets older, it tends to get drier. The drier the chalk gets, fine particulates will crack into finer ones at a very small scale, and this will result in a more even and smooth coating when you chalk the tip.

This creates the illusion that pre-flag was a different formulation than the post-flag. I think old Masters coats similar to Blue Diamond, and there is certainly a difference between Blue Diamond/pre-flag and the newer post-flag Masters.
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nancewayne said:
Are you saying that the older cue chalk gets, the finer it becomes, therefore it applies more even and makes a smoother coating? Does that mean that Blue Diamond and Kamui chalk is "aged" ???
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On average Blue Diamond chalk is aged for 7 years in a mud and platinum kiln in Scotland. Not sure about Kamui chalk though, I've been told it was developed by the Nazis in 1941 and when the supply is gone it will no longer be available.
 
nancewayne said:
Are you saying that the older cue chalk gets, the finer it becomes, therefore it applies more even and makes a smoother coating? Does that mean that Blue Diamond and Kamui chalk is "aged" ???
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I am saying that the older chalk gets, the dries it gets, which means already fine particulates have a larger tendency to crack and coat finer during chalking. Or you could start with a different formulation where the particles are already smaller and manufacture finer chalks like Kamui or Blue Diamond.

Not sure how you get the idea that BD and Kamui chalks are aged from my post...
 
SeanC said:
Here's my take on it. It's not about pre-flag vs. post-flag. They are probably same formulation as skip from tweeten confirms it.

However, as the chalk gets older, it tends to get drier. The drier the chalk gets, fine particulates will crack into finer ones at a very small scale, and this will result in a more even and smooth coating when you chalk the tip.

This creates the illusion that pre-flag was a different formulation than the post-flag. I think old Masters coats similar to Blue Diamond, and there is certainly a difference between Blue Diamond/pre-flag and the newer post-flag Masters.
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I like this explanation. I'm going to start baking all my post-flag Master chalk in the Arizona sun for a couple of weeks, and then sell it for the bargain-basement price of $2.50 a cube. Well, I'll have to let it sit for a coupe of months first to absorb some unobtainium. :thumbup:

Roger
 
conspiracy, marketing, etc.

Tweeten is in the business of selling the chalk that sits on their shelves.

The pre flag chalk is already sold, therefore of no benefit to their bottom line.

So would you expect Skip at Tweeten to admit that there really is a super secret ingredient in the pre-flag chalk that practically guarantees there will be no miscues, ever?

Think about it. ;)

Best,
Brian kc <----- suddenly hearing theme music from x-files....
 
Kickin' Chicken said:
Tweeten is in the business of selling the chalk that sits on their shelves.

The pre flag chalk is already sold, therefore of no benefit to their bottom line.

So would you expect Skip at Tweeten to admit that there really is a super secret ingredient in the pre-flag chalk that practically guarantees there will be no miscues, ever?

Think about it. ;)

Best,
Brian kc <----- suddenly hearing theme music from x-files....
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Do you really think the guy would lie? No need really, not like people will stop buying post flag chalk, since you can't find pre flag anyway.

Sounds like another conspiracy theory to me.

Not everyone will lie to sell a product.
 
spanky79 said:
Do you really think the guy would lie? No need really, not like people will stop buying post flag chalk, since you can't find pre flag anyway.

Sounds like another conspiracy theory to me.

Not everyone will lie to sell a product.
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Please know that I was just attempting humor.

Hence the references to conspiracies and x-files theme music. :smile:

Best,
Brian kc
 
ShootingArts said:
The preflag chalk has a tiny amount of unobtainium in it. As it gets older and harder to locate the unobtainium content naturally increases. Unobtainium is an ingredient that makes all things better and more expensive from chalk to gun powder.

Hu
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Hu, Reading this, I picture you with dreadlocks. ;)

Sherm
 
Unobtanium eh Hu?

I believe I have a bank account thats filled with that.
I'm UnRich.

My Pre Flag is definitely a lighter blue. It is and goes on smoother than Flag.
It stays on longer. I don't know how it got that way but I like it.
 
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nothing to do with that exact time

SLIM said:
not pandorian.

Thanks for the input, anyway.

SLIM
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Slim,

Whenever something is hard to get or no longer available to the general public it magically becomes better. Rumors will always persist as to just why it is better. Unobtainium is as good an explanation as any.

I don't think the changes are anything to do with the exact time that the flag was added. However, it is very possible that there have been changes in the dyes and binders over the years and aging may indeed change the chalk or dyes a little. Unless I am mistaken pool "chalk" is an abrasive and not chalk at all so I would expect the primary ingredient in chalk to be very stable, not so sure about the binders and dyes. The dyes themselves lend a little different consistency to different colors of Master chalk in my opinion.

Some years back I baked and dried some Master's blue chalk and carefully kept it moisture free afterwards. The texture was more like Master green and of course since the baking increased the percentage of unobtainium in the chalk it worked better. Some time later I found a couple cubes of Master blue that had been left on my open back patio in humid south Louisiana for months. It had absorbed lots of moisture and of course some small amounts of unobtainium. It performed better too! Dryer better, wetter better, any change was good. Definitely an any change is good thing so I quit worrying about chalk and just play with what is handy, Master blue chalk postflag that I buy by the gross.

Skip may be telling the complete truth but people may be asking the wrong question. "Have there been any changes in the way Master chalk has been made over the last couple decades?" might get a different answer than if any changes were made when the flag was added. Might not get a different answer, I don't know.

Hu
 
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