Question for CJ Wiley
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Dennis Gieske , a good friend of mine from college passed a couple years ago in the Dallas area....he was a regular at your place, played one hole on the 5 x 10. I'd love ta hear a few stories about this man in his later years.
Dennis Gieske , a good friend of mine from college passed a couple years ago in the Dallas area....he was a regular at your place, played one hole on the 5 x 10. I'd love ta hear a few stories about this man in his later years.
CJ thread
I came through CJ palace a couple of times - not sure when but think it was mid 1990's.
I believe there was a Mexican night club across the parking lot. Saw Randy G and maybe McChesney there.
Anyway - this is the type of thread which is interesting and shows that CJ can contribute to the forums.
Just wanted to pass that along.
Mark Griffin
I came through CJ palace a couple of times - not sure when but think it was mid 1990's.
I believe there was a Mexican night club across the parking lot. Saw Randy G and maybe McChesney there.
Anyway - this is the type of thread which is interesting and shows that CJ can contribute to the forums.
Just wanted to pass that along.
Mark Griffin
Please, if you are going to contribute, at least get your facts straight.
Actually the name was "CJ's Billiard Palace," and Randy and John were not involved and as far as I know, didn't enter that particular business. I was involved with them in a pool room, however, the name was CHAMPS Billiards, where I played Johnny Archer.
There was not a "Mexican nightclub" across the parking lot, it was a Mexican Sea Food Restaurant. Look at the picture, are you sure you've ever been to CJ's Billiard Palace?
Some people, Mark, have bad memories, however, you may need hire a fact checker. You keep making statement after statement that's not true. The challenge with me is I have the pictures, the articles, and the knowledge to prove they're not true.
No big deal, just starting to see a pattern developing and I ask you to think twice before making any more invalid statements to me, or about me. Thanks in advance.
Again, I'm going to chalk this up to you being confused, but you're running out of excuses. Please, if you are going to contribute, at least get your facts straight.
Actually the name was "CJ's Billiard Palace," and Randy and John were not involved and as far as I know, didn't enter that particular business. I was involved with them in a pool room, however, the name was CHAMPS Billiards, where I played Johnny Archer.
There was not a "Mexican nightclub" across the parking lot, it was a Mexican Sea Food Restaurant. Look at the picture, are you sure you've ever been to CJ's Billiard Palace?
Some people, Mark, have bad memories, however, you may need hire a fact checker. You keep making statement after statement that's not true. The challenge with me is I have the pictures, the articles, and the knowledge to prove they're not true.
No big deal, just starting to see a pattern developing and I ask you to think twice before making any more invalid statements to me, or about me. Thanks in advance.
Again, I'm going to chalk this up to you being confused, but you're running out of excuses. Please, if you are going to contribute, at least get your facts straight.
Is it too late for post of the year?
Watchez cracks me up....
Watchez's Humor is the Teacher.
Ken
Free will is a powerful quality, and we all have this present, it's a gift.
So writing a public account, having four inaccuracies is somehow an "olive branch"?
There's no reason for an olive branch anyway,I have no issues with Mark, he speaks his memory, which is fine. The real issue is memories are flawed, mine, his and every other human being on the planet.
This is why I post picture, articles, TV clips, News Segments, and pool techniques that I have proven effective. Whether someone reads these things is up to the individual. It's none of my business who agrees with me, or likes me, it's entirely up to them.
After confirming that out of 100 threads I only participate in 1 is what leads me to believe he must go out of his way to read my stuff. If you don't, Mark, like my techniques, then simply exercise your free will and refrain. Make a New Years resolution to not ever read anything I write again. It's pretty easy to not click on my posts, isn't it?
Trying to control me or anyone else is going to be a constant source of frustration - it's impossible to control another human. Free will is a powerful quality, and we all have this present, it's a gift.
So writing a public account, having four inaccuracies is somehow an "olive branch"?
There's no reason for an olive branch anyway,I have no issues with Mark, he speaks his memory, which is fine. The real issue is memories are flawed, mine, his and every other human being on the planet.
This is why I post picture, articles, TV clips, News Segments, and pool techniques that I have proven effective. Whether someone reads these things is up to the individual. It's none of my business who agrees with me, or likes me, it's entirely up to them.
After confirming that out of 100 threads I only participate in 1 is what leads me to believe he must go out of his way to read my stuff. If you don't, Mark, like my techniques, then simply exercise your free will and refrain. Make a New Years resolution to not ever read anything I write again. It's pretty easy to not click on my posts, isn't it?
Trying to control me or anyone else is going to be a constant source of frustration - it's impossible to control another human. Free will is a powerful quality, and we all have this present, it's a gift.
CJ - I can be rude with the best of em - in fact I could give you the 6 and the break in that category - so I know where you are coming from and sometimes you let loose at the wrong moment. I've done it for sure. It just appears to me that in this SINGULAR POST from Mark G. to you, he was attempting to make a personal connection and also pay you a compliment in some of the stories you were sharing. I believe you too have had your disagreements as of late but here was Mark G. giving you props.
So what that he said Mexican nightclub instead of restaurant?
So what he said CJ Palace instead of CJ Billiard Palace?
And he said he saw Randy and John in the 'nightclub'....not the Billiard Palace. You didn't comprehend that. So -1 for you.
It was what - over 20 years ago. Mark has met countless people since then. Had countless experiences. Criticize for getting facts wrong that ACTUALLY MEAN SOMETHING. The facts Mark stated that you deemed as incorrect are inconsequential.
CJ - I remember you getting into a disagreement with JCIN and the initial high stakes ring game they streamed at Shooters in Olathe. You claim you were not there and didn't play in it. I was there - and believe me, you were there. 100%. But you don't remember -- no big deal. But I wouldn't attempt to make you feel stupid for that.
You picked a battle here that simply wasn't worth winnings, IMO made you look foolish and well......since you like pictures so much..........
So what that he said Mexican nightclub instead of restaurant?
So what he said CJ Palace instead of CJ Billiard Palace?
And he said he saw Randy and John in the 'nightclub'....not the Billiard Palace. You didn't comprehend that. So -1 for you.
It was what - over 20 years ago. Mark has met countless people since then. Had countless experiences. Criticize for getting facts wrong that ACTUALLY MEAN SOMETHING. The facts Mark stated that you deemed as incorrect are inconsequential.
CJ - I remember you getting into a disagreement with JCIN and the initial high stakes ring game they streamed at Shooters in Olathe. You claim you were not there and didn't play in it. I was there - and believe me, you were there. 100%. But you don't remember -- no big deal. But I wouldn't attempt to make you feel stupid for that.
You picked a battle here that simply wasn't worth winnings, IMO made you look foolish and well......since you like pictures so much..........
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Olive branch? I think this last part comes off as a dig at CJ.
I think that this type of thread is where CJ should share stories and advertise, instead of derailing other threads.
just a small off topic detour
I went to Corpus Christi to work a turn-around, supposedly seven twelves, we were building a new plant. This was long ago and my state had no kind of open container laws. My partner and I get off work the first day hot, dirty, and PO'ed since we had been lied to seven ways from Sunday and driven about a thousand miles to come to this job leaving a better one behind. First bar on the right side of the highway we head in and grab a beer. Tasted great as only a cold beer down a parched dry dusty throat can.
Gotta find a place to stay so we grab another cold one and head for the door. As I'm opening the door somebody grabbed me violently from behind! My first reaction to such things is to see how many teeth I can take out.
The bartenders eyes were wide maybe from the fist cocked or maybe from the fear of arrest, "WAIT! There is a law against it! If you step outside with that beer they will arrest you and me." Apparently they had already had issues with strangers not knowing better.
Several guys nearby confirmed this was true and we sat down and finished our beers. Stupid law, we stopped at the store a half mile away and bought a few six packs. Think they had a law against drinking them in the truck too. Oh well, thirsty construction workers are gonna drink beer.
Hu
I went to Corpus Christi to work a turn-around, supposedly seven twelves, we were building a new plant. This was long ago and my state had no kind of open container laws. My partner and I get off work the first day hot, dirty, and PO'ed since we had been lied to seven ways from Sunday and driven about a thousand miles to come to this job leaving a better one behind. First bar on the right side of the highway we head in and grab a beer. Tasted great as only a cold beer down a parched dry dusty throat can.
Gotta find a place to stay so we grab another cold one and head for the door. As I'm opening the door somebody grabbed me violently from behind! My first reaction to such things is to see how many teeth I can take out.
The bartenders eyes were wide maybe from the fist cocked or maybe from the fear of arrest, "WAIT! There is a law against it! If you step outside with that beer they will arrest you and me." Apparently they had already had issues with strangers not knowing better.
Several guys nearby confirmed this was true and we sat down and finished our beers. Stupid law, we stopped at the store a half mile away and bought a few six packs. Think they had a law against drinking them in the truck too. Oh well, thirsty construction workers are gonna drink beer.
Hu
Ring games were never something I participated in as a rule
I did play in the ring game in Olathe, the discrepancy was that it was a $2000 entree fee. I was sure I never played in a ring game with a 2k entree...I'd definitely remember that.
Ring games were never something I participated in as a rule, I've only played in a handful in my life, and never for any significant amounts of money. I am a heads up player, and even though I was co-winner of the ESPN Doubles Championships, it was one of the first times I'd ever played doubles.
The only team event that is note worthy is the 1996 Mosconi Cup that I participated in as the coach and player. Earl Strickland and I won the last match to capture the cup and bring it home to the USA.
I did play in the ring game in Olathe, the discrepancy was that it was a $2000 entree fee. I was sure I never played in a ring game with a 2k entree...I'd definitely remember that.
Ring games were never something I participated in as a rule, I've only played in a handful in my life, and never for any significant amounts of money. I am a heads up player, and even though I was co-winner of the ESPN Doubles Championships, it was one of the first times I'd ever played doubles.
The only team event that is note worthy is the 1996 Mosconi Cup that I participated in as the coach and player. Earl Strickland and I won the last match to capture the cup and bring it home to the USA.
No. I believe that's what's called a BACKHANDED compliment!
Bad form for Mark!
Banks
Banned
He was using Touch Of Insult?
Anyways.. who cares?
CJ isn't going to change and Mark is just going to continue to try to better things in the pool world. 'Nuf said.
TOI for sure!
Btw....I think they both are trying better the pool world.
Let's all take the high road with Mark
Let's all take the high road with Mark, he's probably stressed from the holidays.
No matter what he says I won't hold a grudge, or be unwilling to have a professional conversation with him. I'm pretty sure he will be very kind to me in person.
Let's all take the high road with Mark, he's probably stressed from the holidays.
No matter what he says I won't hold a grudge, or be unwilling to have a professional conversation with him. I'm pretty sure he will be very kind to me in person.
Cj thread
My sole intention was to state that I also can enjoy posts about pool stories. It was NOT intended as an insult, smart remark, or backhanded compliment. I was just stating that I had been to his place sometime around 20 years ago.
I thought I did good to remember the Mexican restaurant or nightclub in the parking lot. I might have been with Dean Campbell?.
So it was given as a note of respect and appreciation. It obviously wasn't accepted as such. I won't worry about it.
And I did not want to hijack the thread - just a small compliment that CJ blew out of proportion. I'm not wasting anymore of my time. (Either in person or on the internet. You'll find if I say it on AZB, I'll say it to your face).
Mark Griffin
My sole intention was to state that I also can enjoy posts about pool stories. It was NOT intended as an insult, smart remark, or backhanded compliment. I was just stating that I had been to his place sometime around 20 years ago.
I thought I did good to remember the Mexican restaurant or nightclub in the parking lot. I might have been with Dean Campbell?.
So it was given as a note of respect and appreciation. It obviously wasn't accepted as such. I won't worry about it.
And I did not want to hijack the thread - just a small compliment that CJ blew out of proportion. I'm not wasting anymore of my time. (Either in person or on the internet. You'll find if I say it on AZB, I'll say it to your face).
Mark Griffin
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CJ made a comment that he would be seeing you in a few weeks,where are you guys meeting?
Smokin Joe is back playing and doing pretty well, I don't know what he has more of, shots or stories. His 1 pkt game is fun to watch. Still looks the same. I will have to show him the pick.
Wiley first began gambling 9-ball for $5 a game, but soon the bet escalated to $50.
BILLIARD DIGEST ARTICLE - WRITTEN BY MICHAEL GEFFNER - PART II
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"The first time I played 9-ball was after I gambled with this guy at 8-ball for over an hour and broke even, Wiley recalls.
"He was so frustrated that he suggested we go to 9-ball. I told him I'd never played it before, but that I'd play if he'd just explain the rules to me. Well, after he explained the rules, I broke and ran out the first two racks, and he quit."
It was the start of Wiley's love affair with 9-ball action. With the money he made selling snow cones, Wiley first began gambling 9-ball for $5 a game, but soon the bet escalated to $50.
I shook like a leaf until I got used to it," he says. "But within a short period of time, the money stopped being a factor. I learned to ignore it."
All the time Wiley was excelling in other sports: football, basketball, baseball, golf and tennis (he even played tournament tennis for four years). He chose pool for a career because it "offered the opportunity to make money while I was still learning and getting better."
During his early years as a pool player, Wiley was nothing more than a promising work in progress. While his game was marked with considerable brilliance, it was also erratic, wild and carefree, if not careless.
"A lot of times, I didn't even think," he says. "I figured I could make any shot from anywhere on the table. I use to play shape only on my next ball. I would never consider playing as far as two or three balls ahead."
Nevertheless, on raw ability, Wiley won the now-defunct National Pool Classic Association's High School Championship at 16; a year later, he left home. Living out of a motor home, he spent five years on the road - an experience that not only tightened his game but prepared him for the future.
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TO BE CONTINUED - 3RD and FINAL PART WILL BE POSTED TOMORROW
This is me at age 20 with my Pace Arrow motor home that I traveled the country in. I even made it across the mountains of Colorado in this "home on wheels". 'The Road was my Teacher'
BILLIARD DIGEST ARTICLE - WRITTEN BY MICHAEL GEFFNER - PART II
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"The first time I played 9-ball was after I gambled with this guy at 8-ball for over an hour and broke even, Wiley recalls.
"He was so frustrated that he suggested we go to 9-ball. I told him I'd never played it before, but that I'd play if he'd just explain the rules to me. Well, after he explained the rules, I broke and ran out the first two racks, and he quit."
It was the start of Wiley's love affair with 9-ball action. With the money he made selling snow cones, Wiley first began gambling 9-ball for $5 a game, but soon the bet escalated to $50.
I shook like a leaf until I got used to it," he says. "But within a short period of time, the money stopped being a factor. I learned to ignore it."
All the time Wiley was excelling in other sports: football, basketball, baseball, golf and tennis (he even played tournament tennis for four years). He chose pool for a career because it "offered the opportunity to make money while I was still learning and getting better."
During his early years as a pool player, Wiley was nothing more than a promising work in progress. While his game was marked with considerable brilliance, it was also erratic, wild and carefree, if not careless.
"A lot of times, I didn't even think," he says. "I figured I could make any shot from anywhere on the table. I use to play shape only on my next ball. I would never consider playing as far as two or three balls ahead."
Nevertheless, on raw ability, Wiley won the now-defunct National Pool Classic Association's High School Championship at 16; a year later, he left home. Living out of a motor home, he spent five years on the road - an experience that not only tightened his game but prepared him for the future.
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TO BE CONTINUED - 3RD and FINAL PART WILL BE POSTED TOMORROW
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I too was at his place maybe 15 years ago. I was with Ron Shepard, who some will remember from RSB days. We worked in the same area in our day jobs and were at a meeting together. I remember a few things. It is my only time playing on a 10-foot pool table. But here is what really remember.
When we got out of our car with our pool cues, we were asked in-the-parking-lot--- in-the-first-half-of-the-parking-lot--whether we wanted to play some $20 one-pocket. The funny thing is if we slipped by the first guy, there was another before we got in the building to ask the same question...