quitting winner

uwate

uwate

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I was up at the local pool room on Tuesday and one of the best young player in South Florida was playing another local shortstop a set for 2500, giving up the 8. The guy getting the 8 wins the set 15-8 and then proceeds to quit winner.

As if this is not bad enough, today a buddy tells me the same young player who got quit on played a set for 500 against a pro, getting the 7 playing 10ball. The pro wins the first set and quits.

What the hell? I feel bad for this player who got beat twice and then quit on in one week. It seems to me that alot more nitty moves are happening these days bc money is so tight.
 
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Yeah, that's weak.

And they wonder why no one has any gamble anymore. :thumbup:

This guy I used to play had a rule at the outset, long as he had money, you could not quit up on him. Quit loser, fine, quit winner it was fight or don't get paid. Sounds fair to me.

He was a grinder, and if you made a game that was tough for the first 2-3 hours he'd bury you the next 15.

I am no hardened big time gambler, but jeez, even at $20 sets people quit after one race to five. You win one 5-3 and they want the last four.

But quitting up after a big $$$ set? Yeah, that's just weak. And these are high speed players you are talking about. Word gets out on that and no one will shoot a nickel at them. And rightly so. That's WORSE than shooting "AIR" at someone.
 
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This is why whenever I play if i only have time for one set I will let my opponent know before hand that I have X amount of time to play for or X amount of money to play for. I think it saves a lot of problems. Like I understand that a player has the right to walk away after he wins that that is kind of the definition of gambling however i understand where the rub comes from about being quit on when you're down a set or a game or what have you.

I think we need to bring some pool players to couples counseling to work on their communication.

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How hard is it to freezout a dollar amount, if you think you're gonna get patsied.? really... Something that big at least, you should be able to freezeout double the set. If you're firing it all, well, it's not my business to air barrel or not.

In the Philipines, it's common to play bigger action in short series, say 3 races to 7 or longer. The winner is determined to who won 2 out of the 3 sets. That way the momentum can shift if the other player dominated the first set.

Where was I?....I'm just sayin. 2 cents. IMHO, yeah.
 
uwate said:
I was up at the local pool room on Tuesday and one the best young player ins South Florida was playing another local shortstop a set for 2500, giving up the 8. The guy getting the 8 wins the set 15-8 and then proceeds to quit winner.

As if this is not bad enough, today a buddy tells me the same young player who got quit on played a set for 500 against a pro, getting the 7 playing 10ball. The pro wins the first set and quits.

What the hell? I feel bad for this player who got beat twice and then quit on in one week. It seems to me that alot more nitty moves are happening these days bc money is so tight.
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the "young" player came into the "shortstops" regular room and told the "shortstop" he wanted to play just 1 set for 2500, not 1 2 or 3. He said one. So that's what he got 1 set , unfortunately for him he lost. I'm not going to get into here totally cause I don't know 100% of the details but the "shortstop" had his reasons. Plus who knows maybe his stakehorse might have asked him to quit winner. Don't feel sorry for this young player either because he has had his share of victories as well and is WELL over on the guy who beat him many times since i've been around there. You win some you lose some. he will live to fight another day. just my 2 cents.
 
Quitting winner after one or a few sets is a crappy move. Quitting winner after you have been beating on a guy all day is to be expected with hopefully a time arranged to keep going.

Buddy Hall said, "if you don't quit winner then when are you supposed to quit?"

I always try to freeze up three sets. That way SOMEONE will be winner.

If it's arranged beforehand as FSutton described - one shot and done - then that's it. I have often taken a shot at better players under the one-and-done arrangement. But IF I win then that I almost always give them another set. However they know from the outset that they can ONLY win one set from me. (meaning that I will quit one set loser, but that I will keep playing until they quit if they are loser)

If someone takes one shot at me and quits winner then their action is dead to me. They never get another shot at my money. UNLESS they ask for one set and I agree - then it's no hard feelings - we flipped a quarter - I lost

That's how I see it.
 
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Life doesn't have to be fair. First an foremost you're young player must either match up better or come out of the box better. I have played nits before loose the first set an then have them ask me for weight. You think that won't make you steam...............:eek:
Pinocchio
 
anyone that quits winner is just a nit in my book and they only get 1 chance to do it to me...then i never play them again.
 
gambling

There are three kinds of gamblers: There are the brave or foolish ones that make bad games much more often than not. These are the guys that put most of the gambling money into the pool, we wouldn't have nearly as much floating around to win without them. Then we have the fine gentlemen that are a pleasure to gamble with. They want to match up even or very close to it where the winner is very much in question when they play. Then there are the successful gamblers that make a living gambling. They don't give a damn what anyone else thinks of them, they gamble to win. If it is to their advantage to continue they will. If continuing involves more risk than they are comfortable with they quit. These people are always available for action if someone is willing to make a game that they think they can win and they can always find people to play them because they do pay if you can beat them.

We may not like or respect the people in the last category but they are never-the-less the only people likely to make any significant amount of money gambling long term. Other gamblers betting large or small rarely have anything substantial to show for it at the end of a year even if they have been in heavy action all year.

I prefer to tell people upfront if I only have one or two barrels to fire, I also prefer to tell people if I know when I have to leave. However, nobody is under contract and anyone has the right to quit whenever they please. If you quit while a bet is on the light you just forfeited it unless there is a genuine emergency or situation that makes it unreasonable to continue.

Knowing when to quit is a major part of being a smart gambler. Sometimes only the player knows when he is fading for one reason or another even if he is winning on the table. Also, if I suspect that the other player is on the stall donating a bet or two to suck me in I will cheerfully take all he wants to give and quit him cold when he tries to get it back if I am in the mood just because I think it is a fun thing to do to wannabe hustlers.

Simple rules of gambling: Don't bet what you can't afford to lose. Don't whine if someone else wins your money. Don't whine when someone else quits a bad game. Smart gamblers will quit you when it is to their best advantage to quit you. That is what makes them smart gamblers.

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JB Cases said:
Quitting winner after one or a few sets is a crappy move. Quitting winner after you have been beating on a guy all day is to be expected with hopefully a time arranged to keep going.
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I only half-agree with this idea. Let me explain...

When playing anyone, I feel it is only fair to let them know when you may be planning on quitting. For example, if you only have 1 set in you, it should be made clear ahead of time. That way, win or lose, there can (or at least should) be no complaints from either party.

If you plan to keep going, you should give your opponent a time frame of at LEAST 1 set prior to quitting. In other words, if you plan on quitting within the hour, you should say 'Hey! I only have onemore set in me. If you want to double up/bump the bet, we sould do it now. Because I only have 1 set left' etc.

Some people seem to be under the misguided notion that you need to keep giving your opponent chances to win some of his money back and keep playing until HE decides to quit. That is where I disagree. I've had this happen to me from time to time. I have told a player 'I've got one set left. If you want to double up, that's fine' and have often been met with 'You need to give me a chance to win my money back!'

My response? 'I already gave you several chances to win your money back and all you did was lose more of it to me.'

In this case, I have no idea what the circumstances were. But if it was stated ahead of time that only 1 set were going to be played, then there should have been no expectations for another chance. If it weren't stated ahead of time that only 1 set were to be played, I can certainly understand the losing player being upset.
 
While mostly everyone agrees quitting one game winner is
bad form, i think quitting one game loser is just as bad!

I spend time making a game,giving up the world and then have
someone quit after firing one shot at me.

I agree with everyone that said matches should be set up
prior to playing. I can not play all week just to let some guy
get even!
 
FSutton said:
the "young" player came into the "shortstops" regular room and told the "shortstop" he wanted to play just 1 set for 2500, not 1 2 or 3. He said one. So that's what he got 1 set , unfortunately for him he lost. I'm not going to get into here totally cause I don't know 100% of the details but the "shortstop" had his reasons. Plus who knows maybe his stakehorse might have asked him to quit winner. Don't feel sorry for this young player either because he has had his share of victories as well and is WELL over on the guy who beat him many times since i've been around there. You win some you lose some. he will live to fight another day. just my 2 cents.
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Both the player who lost and the stakehorses behind this player wanted another set. 15-8? cmon thats nitty to quit winner after winning in that manner.
 
i always make sure i have enough to play at least 2 sets. of course i don't gamble as high as you guys seem to.

a local guy i used to play did this to me. over the course of about a week i lost150-200 playing cheap sets with him. one day we play and i win 1 set (10 dollars) and he quits

p.s. no jokes about how cheap i play. i don't have a whole lot of cash
 
Tennesseejoe said:
If you aren't smart enough to set up some understanding before you start playing---you aren't smart enough to gamble.
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Why do people have such a hard time understanding that??
 
uwate said:
I was up at the local pool room on Tuesday and one of the best young player in South Florida was playing another local shortstop a set for 2500, giving up the 8. The guy getting the 8 wins the set 15-8 and then proceeds to quit winner.

As if this is not bad enough, today a buddy tells me the same young player who got quit on played a set for 500 against a pro, getting the 7 playing 10ball. The pro wins the first set and quits.

What the hell? I feel bad for this player who got beat twice and then quit on in one week. It seems to me that alot more nitty moves are happening these days bc money is so tight.
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that is gay.
if that is how it went down real gay.
 
LittleMonster said:
I only half-agree with this idea. Let me explain...

When playing anyone, I feel it is only fair to let them know when you may be planning on quitting. For example, if you only have 1 set in you, it should be made clear ahead of time. That way, win or lose, there can (or at least should) be no complaints from either party.

If you plan to keep going, you should give your opponent a time frame of at LEAST 1 set prior to quitting. In other words, if you plan on quitting within the hour, you should say 'Hey! I only have onemore set in me. If you want to double up/bump the bet, we sould do it now. Because I only have 1 set left' etc.

Some people seem to be under the misguided notion that you need to keep giving your opponent chances to win some of his money back and keep playing until HE decides to quit. That is where I disagree. I've had this happen to me from time to time. I have told a player 'I've got one set left. If you want to double up, that's fine' and have often been met with 'You need to give me a chance to win my money back!'

My response? 'I already gave you several chances to win your money back and all you did was lose more of it to me.'

In this case, I have no idea what the circumstances were. But if it was stated ahead of time that only 1 set were going to be played, then there should have been no expectations for another chance. If it weren't stated ahead of time that only 1 set were to be played, I can certainly understand the losing player being upset.
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I agree with you. What I do when I am playing someone is if we haven't made any agreement and I am way up I will tell them how much longer I am going to play and give them a chance to up the bet. I usually won't double the bet if I am more than say three sets ahead, depending on the amount and how I feel.

I am pretty firmly in the camp that says quitting winner is nitty. I would much rather have my opponent quit loser than me quit him winner. However having said that I have also come to be of the opinion that I don't have to kill myself along the way.

Now when I am physically or mentally unable to continue after having played for a long time I will quit and make a date to continue another day.

I don't think it's fair to myself to just give back whatever I earned. Beyond that I have learned that the dynamic often runs that when I start losing then I start losing focus and get down and mae bad decisions. In the past I have been way up and stayed in the game long past my bedtime and at the end of the session I have lost way more than I was up. Just because I got weaker and made the opponent stronger.

Here is something I have done from time to time;

I have told my opponent that I will play 20 games win/lose/draw and adjust after that. For example, we agree to $20 a game and that puts a maximum of $400 that I can win or lose. That way either of can quit after 20 games with no hard feelings.
 
easy-e said:
Why do people have such a hard time understanding that??
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because if all gamblers were smart then they would all be nits and there wouldn't be any suckers. No one would ever gamble.

But honestly it's not like every one is in the mood to lay down a contract when they gamble. It's very often what do you want to do? Race to 7 for a 100? Let's go. That's it. No arrangements no expectations no rules.

We all know how this goes down.
 
scruffy1 said:
Ii think quitting one game loser is just as bad!

I spend time making a game,giving up the world and then have
someone quit after firing one shot at me.
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That's what you get for improving...you should have spent that time b*tching, whining, and asking for more weight.;)
 
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