Racist Cue Case

I think its been made quite clear by now that this is not a Nazi symbol.

So the question remains, why would someone use a symbol that is so easily confused with it?

Perhaps this thread is precisely the reason why.

The swastika is an ancient symbol that has generally always been associated with positive things. There are MANY religions, races of people and cultures that have held this symbol dear and of the utmost importance. These people have been literally ROBBED of a major part of the heritage and history by the terrible things people have done in association of a form of this symbol. This would be like telling Christians that the cross should never be used again. Can you imagine that by wearing a cross around your neck, all of a sudden people would now call you a Nazi?

There has been a movement around the world by many to erase or at least attempt to disassociate the horrible tragedies associated with the swastika and allow it to have the meaning and interpretation that it once held for the thousands of years before it.

Will that ever happen? Who knows, but just look at the knowledge and understanding this trivial little thread about a silly pool case has brought to some many of the people here. This is a good a thing, spreading knowledge and understanding are good things, this is how people change the world.

Maybe someone who learned something here will change someone elses world one day.

Just a thought.
 
Stating that this symbol is inverted and is some kind of Buddhist, Greek or other symbol or in some time in the history of the world had a different meaning is a joke and just shows the sub level of intelligence many of you have. And to state that the person who made the case had no idea - well ignorance is no excuse. The person selling the item knows the imagery it portrays and if they had any dignity or class about themself, they would have trashed the case or at least had the symbol completely removed or covered.

It would be like if I put N1GGER on a case --- I didn't spell the actual word so no one should be offended, right? Or maybe I could defend it by saying that it is sometimes used as a term of affection between people.

Get real.
 
LucasBilliards said:
Why would a company even make this case? If it is, like some have said, for buddhists I'm sure they have plenty of other symbols they could have used. Why would you put anything that is or could be misconstrued as racist or offensive on any product you sell? Most people wouldn't know which direction a Nazi swastika is supposed to go I just know I see that and relate it to racism. I think most people in America would do the same. I just don't understand why even produce that case. Poor judgement in my opinion. I would certainly be offended if a guy came in with that case. Why would someone buy it to begin with? There are no positive meanings in which I am familiar and I'm willing to bet most people would agree. So again why?????
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They no doubt over estimated the intelligence of a lot of people.
 
Thats the point!

Watchez..., your right, there no need to play the it means something over her but not over ther...., that maybe ture, but its the intent that counts here...,

Do you think they would sell in Israel?
 
Drew said:
To be honest, taking offense to a symbol or picture is a strong display of closed-mindedness. If you don't like the case, then don't buy it. If you don't like someone carrying the case, then don't talk to him. I would consider that case to be an invitation for conversation.
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I'll always be amazed at how some people search for things to offended by and outraged about.

Really, it's a few lines on a piece of leather. If I saw a guy carrying that case in a pool hall, I would probably think, "That guy is likely a Nazi sympathizer, and probably a douche. Oh well, back to what I was doing."
 
I think it's important to differentiate between what is racist and what could be construed as racist. In regards to the original picture, that symbol could easily be construed as racist. If you carried that case through Borough Park in Brooklyn, you would be lucky if someone called the cops on you. Even though this isn't the Nazi symbol, it's a swastika. Determining if it's racist or not rests with the owner and maker of the case. If you decided to spray-paint this symbol on a synogogue, they'd call you a racist for doing it and an idiot for drawing it backwards.

So in sum, I wouldn't rush to judgement and say this is racist but I wouldn't advise carrying this case either. This could easily be construed as racist and depending on the owner, could actually be racist. If you plan on walking around Brooklyn with this case, you better walk fast.
 
Neil said:
For what it truly is, that is, a symbol of good luck, it actually is a great choice for a case. However, I do agree that most are not going to know that, or appreciate that, but instead are going to go by their biases. So....while it SHOULD be a great choice, in reality, it is a poor choice.

The "trick" when you see something like this, is to not immediately go to YOUR biases, but to see it in context. If some guy wearing a robe or a turban had that case, I would associate it with good luck. If some guy (or gal) with a shaved head, and a lot of tattoos, some with that symbol or others associated with the Neo-Nazis, then I would think he was symbolizing it with the Nazis and was just to stupid to even know he had it drawn wrong.

You just have to put things in the right, or at least best, perspective you can. If you find yourself always associating things with the worst perspective, well, maybe it's time to take a look at yourself and see why that is.
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Who said I look at things from the worst perspective? What I said is I have no positive meanings to reference. I have never heard of the swastika being used in any other form than by Nazis/ racists. If I would have never read this thread I still wouldn't have any idea there was an alternate meaning. I have had no reason to look up swastikas. What your saying is if a guy walks up to me and says Fu*k you I'm supposed to assume there's some alternate positive meaning that very few would know about? My point was why put something that is OR COULD BE misconstrued as racist or offensive on a product you sell. The general public if shown that symbol whether it's backwards, upside down, sideways or whatever is gonna think it's a Nazi swastika. I understand that in the form it's used on that case it's not the same swastika but why sell something that could have negative consequences for your business whether it was your intentions or not. Someone might see a guy walk in with that case and have never heard of alternate meanings and see it as a racist symbol and see it was made by Delta Sports and never buy a Delta Sports product because of it. Like I said it's poor judgement in my opinion to put it on a product and assume people are going to know that there is an alternate meaning. It could negatively affect their business so why do it?
 
the420trooper said:
I'll always be amazed at how some people search for things to offended by and outraged about.

Really, it's a few lines on a piece of leather. If I saw a guy carrying that case in a pool hall, I would probably think, "That guy is likely a Nazi sympathizer, and probably a douche. Oh well, back to what I was doing."
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Ok - let's see if we can fix your thinking. I highly doubt it, but I'll give it a try.

So let's say you were in a pool hall and you saw a guy with a case that had the image of two towers burning, with a plane stuck in the side of both towers - with the word WINNING underneath. Would you think - "that guy is likely a terroist sympathizer, and probably a douche. Oh well, back to what I was doing."
 
watchez said:
Ok - let's see if we can fix your thinking. I highly doubt it, but I'll give it a try.

So let's say you were in a pool hall and you saw a guy with a case that had the image of two towers burning, with a plane stuck in the side of both towers - with the word WINNING underneath. Would you think - "that guy is likely a terroist sympathizer, and probably a douche. Oh well, back to what I was doing."
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No, of course not. I would punch that commie right in his face becauze it's my duty to stand up for what's right. :rolleyes: :withstupid:

I mind my own business; when I see someone doing something I don't agree with, I don't allow that to affect me enough to evoke an emotional response. You seem to be saying that the bearer of this case has committed such a damning sin that we should feel compelled to do something about it? (And if so, what should that "something" be?)

And I'm the one with flawed thinking. :)
 
Seems kind of hypocritical then that you would respond here. You obviously don't agree with me and some of the others in this thread. Why respond or feel compelled to say anything about it?

Yes sir - you do have flawed thinking.

Next question.
 
watchez said:
Seems kind of hypocritical then that you would respond here. You obviously don't agree with me and some of the others in this thread. Why respond or feel compelled to say anything about it?

Yes sir - you do have flawed thinking.

Next question.
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I guess I should be proud of the fact that my sarcasm was so strong that you actually took my first sentence at face value, even though it completely contradicted what I had said about a similar situation.

Since I have to spell it out for you- I would make no response of any kind in either case. It's not my place to tell someone what case they can carry. If I'm offended by something, big f*cking deal. I'm a grown up and don't get personally butthurt every time I see something I don't like.

Hope this clears things up a bit.
 
cuesblues said:
I have to check this out for myself.

The swastika may not be considered a "racist" symbol in some cultures, but it is in my culture.
If I saw someone walk into a pool room with that case he would either have to leave or remove the case, and I wouldn't hold back.
In that my father was injured in WWII during the Normandy invasion, and since I am an M.O.T, this is a problem for me.

The Delta Sports people are a bunch of ****ing moron's for posting that case, and I will NEVER buy anything from them at any price.
Delta Sports can take their ridiculous so-called 50% AZ discount and shove it sideways.
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he swastika may not be considered a "racist" symbol in some cultures, but it is in my culture.
If I saw someone walk into a pool room with that case he would either have to leave or remove the case, and I wouldn't hold back.
In that my father was injured in WWII during the Normandy invasion, and since I am an M.O.T, this is a problem for me.



That would be up to the room owner whether he left or not.By the way people have a right to be racist , as a matter fact most are , some of the biggest railers against racism are racist themselves. Most people only need me to follow them around for me to expose their hidden racism. Get off the self righteous BS.
 
if you look at the angle of the bends, the swastika is different this symbol is a asain symbol, not the nazi swastika.........this should clear this up..........people have made this mistake for the last 60+ years............the nazi party symbol is on the left....OTB



lazypool said:
Check out this cue case Delta Sport is selling on Ebay. Its ugly as all get up, but what the heck is that on the little pocket!
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C'mon guys 95% of the posters on here couldn't find Korea on a map if the countries weren't labeled and you expect them to even begin to think with an open mind? I think you need to scrap the open mind part and just focus on getting them to think... I'd say the odds would be astronomical to just pull that off.......
 
My opinion about this is pretty simple.

Most people here on AZ (the biggest pool forum in the world) look at the symbol on this case and their first reaction is; that's a Nazi swastika.

Regardless of the whether or not it's inverted, the vast majority see a Nazi symbol.

I am certain if you showed this case to all of America, the same first thought would leap to their minds - Nazi symbol.

The people at the company who made and market this case, while it may be true they are oblivious, have a responsibility to their target market. This would include understanding how insensitive and potentially upsetting something like this could be.

If the extermination of more than six million Jews somehow escaped their attention, then perhaps one of the many emails they will now receive might cause them to rethink this particular design.

Hopefully.

Best,
Brian kc
 
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