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Leonard
Leonard
Rating One Pocket Players
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jay helfert said:
No, Jay. It was Kenny "Romburg" Remus from Chicago. That is how good Kenny played. This happened in North Shore Billiards in Dec. of 1979. The offer was made to Louie and Larry, who were traveling together at the time. Louie thought Larry had the stone cold nuts and put in with him. They both went tap.
Romberg is the most underrated and by far the most unknown champion one pocket player in history. Sadly, Kenny was shot to death in the 80s.
I am sorry to say I never heard of this player or that Louie story. I think Romburg would have been a little before my time in the pool world, if it was the early 80's. The only thing I knew of Louie & Larry Hubbart was Louie was in the process of putting together a lawsuit against him when he died.
hemicudas said:
Romberg was a good looking guy and a great Bank Pool player, second only to Bugs around Chicago. That much I do know. He was in Dayton in the early 70's gambling, and I think he came to Kentucky a time or two also.
What a joke!!!!
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Originally Posted by wincardona
At one time I did beat everyone that I played,playing 9 ball.1972 to be exact. I quit playing around 1974 ,and then returned around 1981. The only player that I didn't play was Lassiter. I honestly don't think I would of beaten him if we had of played. I'm pretty bad on years, but around 1984 I think I could of given any American player big problems playing one pocket. I remember 3 one pocket tournaments that I finished second twice and third once. All around the same time.Joyner beat me 5to4 in the finals of the US Open in Kalamazoo, I couldn't sleep the night before the final match. Too nervous, I never have been regarded as a tournament player. Same thing happened to me in Roanoke Va.when Dave Bollman defeated me 5 to 4 in the finals. Mike Sigel beat me in the semi finals,the year Varner won in ,I believe Baltimore.
In 1972, Buddy spanked Billy at Red Box' joint in Shreveport, playing even 9 Ball. Right after that was when Buddy and I played to a draw, after a whole week's play, at even up 9 Ball.
I won Red Walling's One Pocket division in '83 and 85 and the Sid Mann event in '84. At each of these fine tournaments, I had more than $20,000 cash on me and no one opened their mouth to play me even One Pocket. In fact I gave Ronnie a ball and had no trouble with him at all. There was NO TIME during the eighties that if I played Cardone he didn't need at least a full ball. In Las Vegas in 1981 I played Squirrel 9 to 7 and 8 to 7, gave Jack Cooney 9 to 7 and gave Warren "The Monk" Costanza 9 to 7 and beat him out of $4,000 at two hundred a game.. Sitting on the sidelines were Ervolino and Ed Kelly. They didn't wish to play. In fact just after that I gave Johnny 9 to 7 in New York at his home room, $1,500 a game, if it matters. It was robbery.
So give me a break with these ratings. Mr. Cardone, your memory isn't very good.
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Originally Posted by wincardona
At one time I did beat everyone that I played,playing 9 ball.1972 to be exact. I quit playing around 1974 ,and then returned around 1981. The only player that I didn't play was Lassiter. I honestly don't think I would of beaten him if we had of played. I'm pretty bad on years, but around 1984 I think I could of given any American player big problems playing one pocket. I remember 3 one pocket tournaments that I finished second twice and third once. All around the same time.Joyner beat me 5to4 in the finals of the US Open in Kalamazoo, I couldn't sleep the night before the final match. Too nervous, I never have been regarded as a tournament player. Same thing happened to me in Roanoke Va.when Dave Bollman defeated me 5 to 4 in the finals. Mike Sigel beat me in the semi finals,the year Varner won in ,I believe Baltimore.
In 1972, Buddy spanked Billy at Red Box' joint in Shreveport, playing even 9 Ball. Right after that was when Buddy and I played to a draw, after a whole week's play, at even up 9 Ball.
I won Red Walling's One Pocket division in '83 and 85 and the Sid Mann event in '84. At each of these fine tournaments, I had more than $20,000 cash on me and no one opened their mouth to play me even One Pocket. In fact I gave Ronnie a ball and had no trouble with him at all. There was NO TIME during the eighties that if I played Cardone he didn't need at least a full ball. In Las Vegas in 1981 I played Squirrel 9 to 7 and 8 to 7, gave Jack Cooney 9 to 7 and gave Warren "The Monk" Costanza 9 to 7 and beat him out of $4,000 at two hundred a game.. Sitting on the sidelines were Ervolino and Ed Kelly. They didn't wish to play. In fact just after that I gave Johnny 9 to 7 in New York at his home room, $1,500 a game, if it matters. It was robbery.
So give me a break with these ratings. Mr. Cardone, your memory isn't very good.
I forgot
I lived in Colorado from 1973 until 1981. The only One Pocket matches I lost playing even were to Cecil Tugwell in '73 and to Ronnie in '75. I avenged those losses quickly.
Before CO I lived in OKC for a couple of years and I had no losses there either at One Pocket. Steve Cook, who I really liked and respected, couldn't win and while we're discussing these esoteric matters, Cardone could never beat one side of Cook.
From 1970 to about '88 the only man who gave me trouble was the great "Bugs".
I lived in Colorado from 1973 until 1981. The only One Pocket matches I lost playing even were to Cecil Tugwell in '73 and to Ronnie in '75. I avenged those losses quickly.
Before CO I lived in OKC for a couple of years and I had no losses there either at One Pocket. Steve Cook, who I really liked and respected, couldn't win and while we're discussing these esoteric matters, Cardone could never beat one side of Cook.
From 1970 to about '88 the only man who gave me trouble was the great "Bugs".
Marvel said:Ok. I take Evgeny Stalev
I saw Evgeny play Efren with 7-8 handicap. They played 20gbp (40usd) per rack.
Evgeny wasn't motivated and lost few racks and quit.
Later in the evening Evgeny played Bustamante. I saw Evgeny making amazing shots, his motivation was high. Later I saw Busty paying him some cash and leaving the table with frustration on his face.
I asked Evgeny how much he won. He said "200 pounds (400 dollars), score 5-0". I asked how much he got weight, Evgeny answered "Nothing of course, Bustamante cannot play One Pocket"
Later I saw him beat Efren for few racks also.
That happened in Cardiff, either 01, 02 or 03.
I don't know how much Evgeny's Pyramid career has taken from his pool skills, but I believe he's one of the top One Pocket players in the world today, still.
I'm not a gambler, if I was, I could take easy 5k from you Jay
Ronnie Alcano gave lot's of credit to "russian boy" about 1pkt also..
He can play one pocket. I've seen him play really well, top notch.
Yeah, he used to play good
Even though Grady chose not to authenticate whether I could make a bank or not, on that "I heard the Beard was a bum playing banks," thread, and he sure as hell couldnt beat me, and even though I did bust him playing even 1pkt when he was as good as anybody in the world in the 70s in my joint, the 4B's Club; right is right, he also beat me giving me 11 to 7 in Milwaukee when I fell helpless one night. The usual game was I get 9 to 7. We probably seesawed the many times we played that way, and I did beat him with only 9 to 8 on his break at the Billiard Cafe. Mr. Watchez mentions Efren. At the tournament in Richmond KY (1990? Efren needed a spot from Grady. The spot was that I would coach Efren on shot selection (how many players can say that?), but after a row whereby Efren wouldnt shoot what I suggested, and scratched and lost the game, I quit coaching him, and Grady BarB Q'd him from there. The point that I am making is two points actually, one is that my game varied up to 4 balls sometimes, and the other point is that Grady always played great back then. As for Billy, well he was slicker, but at no point was he going to play Grady even 1 pockie in those days.
The Bearer of The Old Word,
the Beard
watchez said:
Even though Grady chose not to authenticate whether I could make a bank or not, on that "I heard the Beard was a bum playing banks," thread, and he sure as hell couldnt beat me, and even though I did bust him playing even 1pkt when he was as good as anybody in the world in the 70s in my joint, the 4B's Club; right is right, he also beat me giving me 11 to 7 in Milwaukee when I fell helpless one night. The usual game was I get 9 to 7. We probably seesawed the many times we played that way, and I did beat him with only 9 to 8 on his break at the Billiard Cafe. Mr. Watchez mentions Efren. At the tournament in Richmond KY (1990? Efren needed a spot from Grady. The spot was that I would coach Efren on shot selection (how many players can say that?), but after a row whereby Efren wouldnt shoot what I suggested, and scratched and lost the game, I quit coaching him, and Grady BarB Q'd him from there. The point that I am making is two points actually, one is that my game varied up to 4 balls sometimes, and the other point is that Grady always played great back then. As for Billy, well he was slicker, but at no point was he going to play Grady even 1 pockie in those days.
The Bearer of The Old Word,
the Beard
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DeadPoked said:
I agree, this guy really doesn't know what he's talking about.
Freddie,freddy the beard said:
I really don't want to go back and fourth with you and Grady, but for whatever it's worth i'll explain how it really was. In 1972 I was the best 9 ball player in the country,with the exception of Lassiter, Grady wouldn't of had a chance to beat me,and anyone that played back then knows it. I retired from pool 4 times ,each time i retired it was from 4 to 7 years. But I obviously made come backs ,during all that time Grady continued to play.I believe it was around 1981 that I started to play again,once again I really can't remember the exact years that I quit and then returned. keep in mind I was never a one pocket player back then I learned later in the mid to late 80's. after my first comeback I matched up with Grady 9/7 and broke even. Yes at that time he was playing excellent one pocket ,and I was still learning the game.In the early 90's 1993 or 1994 I played Grady even one pocket in Baltimore. He had just beat Bugs and asked me to play.And at that time I believed I was playing better than him so we played four out of seven for $2500 .He out ran the nuts and beat me the first set 4 to 3. Made a ball on his break,ratted in balls ramming the pack, missing balls and making another ball,it was frustrating for me, because I knew I was the better player. After he won the set he started to unscrew his cue ,I said what are you doing i'm not finished. We played another set and I won 4 to 0.Again he started to disjoint ,I asked him why he was quitting,his reply was that he had important things to do, and proceded to drive away. Strange how differently people think. If I were he, playing $2,500 a set would be pretty important to me. We played abot 3 times since then,even and I won every time. I'm not the kind of a person that brags on myself, i've always felt funny about that. The reason i'm telling this story is,i'm tired of Grady insulting,and devaluing me.And if he want's to play me some more all he has to do is show up at the Olympics in Louisville and we can settle this. And I preferr it to be on camera.
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FWIW I saw BI play in the early 70's.....he was MAGIC
Although I didn't witness it I heard one of his road games was to give up all the balls playing 9ball as long as he got the break. I'm sure he booked some losers but I'm just as sure he came out ahead.
Although I didn't witness it I heard one of his road games was to give up all the balls playing 9ball as long as he got the break. I'm sure he booked some losers but I'm just as sure he came out ahead.
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Grady,Grady said:
Your'e right Buddy did beat me in 1972. I was living in Detroit at the time and beat everyone that I played, funny why didn't you come up? Any ways I ran out of action and hadn't played for over 2 months. Then Mataya asked me to go on the road with him to hustle some pool .I really wasn't in shape to do that,but I went anyways. We went to Red's place in Shreveport where Eddie Burton was playing. Mataya played Burton 9 ball and won a few thousand. Then Buddy asked Mataya to play, he said he didn't want to play me he wanted to play Mataya.They played and he beat Mataya ,as he played lights out.He then said he would play me. I really felt that I couldn't win considering the circumstances,but played anyways. He played great and I dogged it ( it happens sometimes to all of us) Even if I would of played my game I still might not of won.
Yes you probably could have given me a ball from 1980 to 1985,but not after that. You quit me playing even in Baltimore. After you beat Bugs we played. I posted that match in a reply on the Beards post earlier (if you care to read it) I'm not the kind of a person that beats my drum, but i'm tired of you insulting me,and devaluing my game.Believe it or not there are other players that play well beside you, and their on my best players list. It seems to me any thing I do irritates you.I have never insulted , or devalued you in any way,never. If your the best one pocket player ever,it doesn't matter what any one person says,as long as you've earned that respect,you'll never lose it.