Real Joss ! Real seller ??

It really is a bit scary, but he has got 100% feedback and like you said, this is a real Joss. In my opinion then, it should be alright. If 6 years "off" would have been a problem for him, he could easily create a new account... If I wanted this cue more than anything else and if I had the money for it, then those 6 years couldn't scare me enough to prevent placing my order.
I'm writing all this in because I'm kind of a beginner in this question and I would like to learn what you, (way) more experienced guys think.
 
It wouldn't scare me as much if he took paypal. I also like to see where people are from. Makes feel like they are hiding something. Just my 2 cents worth.

ROBERT
 
SCAM ALERT!!!


HELP!~!!
I own this cue and bought it about a year ago or so with the 5 shafts and the Fellini case. How do I stop the eBay auction SCAM??

I can send pics into AZbilliards if someone wants to see and verify it's a SCAM.

John
 
Yes it is a scam

jkmarshall_cues said:
SCAM ALERT!!!


HELP!~!!
I own this cue and bought it about a year ago or so with the 5 shafts and the Fellini case. How do I stop the eBay auction SCAM??

I can send pics into AZbilliards if someone wants to see and verify it's a SCAM.

John
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John

I've called my eBay representative and told them, but the process of them ending the auction without me having the auction it was leeched from (I assume you bought the cue on eBay and that's where the scammer got the pics. If it was a year ago those records are long gone), ebay can't go through the process faster than this auction will end. There's 3 or 4 ways that this particular scam (leeched pictures and description, hijacked account) can be spotted by examination of the auction, they use a repeated formula, if anybody cares to know, just post and I'll be happy to explain. Really the best thing you can do, is what you did, post it here and protect the people that you can.

Kevin
 
JMW said:
Kevin,

Please explain.

Thanks,
Jonathan
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Jonathan

This formula gets used for cues quite a bit for some reason. The scammers have saved auction pictures and descriptions from old eBay auctions. Then they purchase hijacked eBay accounts obtained by phishing. The less recent activity on the account the better for them, less chance the owner of the account will notice an auction being listed, he probably doesn't even use the account anymore. The hallmarks of this particular scam ring are:

1) The auctions always have low transaction 100% feedback seller who has no eBay activity, buying, selling or bidding in the last several months.

2) The auctions always have a new PayPal account registered to it. That's why the buyer protection is only $200. The PayPal account was set up recently, with minimum verification, although there has been no recent eBay activity. One might think that the seller joined PayPal to service this auction, but the scammers have added wording in the description that they don't take PayPal. The only reason they have the PayPal account is for the logos and the legitimacy that gives their auction, then they turn around and ban Paypal payments. This using the logos and then not taking PayPal is against eBay regulations and in and of itself is enough to get the auction stopped, although not within 3 days, which brings us to:

3) They are always 3 day auctions. This auction will probably run to the end before ebay can stop it.

4) They are always Private Auctions. eBay has taken steps to protect bidders IDs from fake "2nd chance" scammers, and there's really no reason to have a private auctions anymore (bidders IDs blocked from view), what it does for these scammers is prevents someone from contacting the bidders and warning them.

5) These particular scammers always put something about the product in the location area, in this case it's Joss Pool Cue, United States. That's their trademark, their little joke I suppose, but every time I see it, the other 4 "tells" are also present and its a scam.

Let me know if anything isn't clear. On a related note, one can buy with complete safety on eBay. If you use Paypal and pay through a bank credit card, you can never be scammed, and can always be in the best position in any discussions or negotiations are necessary after the product is received.

Kevin
 
My Pleasure

JMW said:
Thanks Kevin! Now I know what to look for.
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At least with these guys. I see this scam ring quite often in pool cues and sterling flatware (using my pictures). Just about anythime you see the PayPal logao and then anti-Paypal wording, uyou know you have a problem. I buy about 15K worth of stuff on eBay a month, and if the seller doesn't take Paypal, I pass, no matter what.

Kevin
 
All Should Know This!!!!!!!

kvinbrwr said:
Jonathan

This formula gets used for cues quite a bit for some reason. The scammers have saved auction pictures and descriptions from old eBay auctions. Then they purchase hijacked eBay accounts obtained by phishing. The less recent activity on the account the better for them, less chance the owner of the account will notice an auction being listed, he probably doesn't even use the account anymore. The hallmarks of this particular scam ring are:

1) The auctions always have low transaction 100% feedback seller who has no eBay activity, buying, selling or bidding in the last several months.

2) The auctions always have a new PayPal account registered to it. That's why the buyer protection is only $200. The PayPal account was set up recently, with minimum verification, although there has been no recent eBay activity. One might think that the seller joined PayPal to service this auction, but the scammers have added wording in the description that they don't take PayPal. The only reason they have the PayPal account is for the logos and the legitimacy that gives their auction, then they turn around and ban Paypal payments. This using the logos and then not taking PayPal is against eBay regulations and in and of itself is enough to get the auction stopped, although not within 3 days, which brings us to:

3) They are always 3 day auctions. This auction will probably run to the end before ebay can stop it.

4) They are always Private Auctions. eBay has taken steps to protect bidders IDs from fake "2nd chance" scammers, and there's really no reason to have a private auctions anymore (bidders IDs blocked from view), what it does for these scammers is prevents someone from contacting the bidders and warning them.

5) These particular scammers always put something about the product in the location area, in this case it's Joss Pool Cue, United States. That's their trademark, their little joke I suppose, but every time I see it, the other 4 "tells" are also present and its a scam.

Let me know if anything isn't clear. On a related note, one can buy with complete safety on eBay. If you use Paypal and pay through a bank credit card, you can never be scammed, and can always be in the best position in any discussions or negotiations are necessary after the product is received.

Kevin
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Hi Kevin,

This is about as thorough a description of scamming activity as I`ve seen. It took some time for you to type this one for all of us, but let me assure you a lot of AZers are very appreciative that you did this. Reps to you!! The house pro for AZ ought to give your comments some sort of special prominence for a period of time!!!

Will
 
Here are the pics I just shot tonight to show it's the same early Joss cue with the same name logo.

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John
 
I reported it as 'identity theft'. If you use this phrase it seems to move them along a little and it's easier to investigate than a copycat auction.

There was a time when if you ordered a Joss cue it was sent to you in a Fellini case. I have one that came with an old Joss too.

Chris
 
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joss cue real or fake?

this joss looks like the one my friend had. joe macnamara! dont know how this guy got this cue? looks like this is a scam? sparky
 
Thanks Will

ibuycues said:
Hi Kevin,

This is about as thorough a description of scamming activity as I`ve seen. It took some time for you to type this one for all of us, but let me assure you a lot of AZers are very appreciative that you did this. Reps to you!! The house pro for AZ ought to give your comments some sort of special prominence for a period of time!!!

Will
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Will

Thanks for the kind words. I think guys writing off eBay because there are scammers there is akin to us all writing off pool halls back when we started going to them for the same reason. Look how much worse off our lives would have been had we banned pool halls because of scammers, we might have read more books or wasted time doing better in school. Seriously, as a guy who makes his living on eBay, I think it's a great place (I know eBay services you quite well), and it's just like any other place, it becomes more enjoyable as one learns their way around in it. I'd like everybody in the world to get comfy with eBay, log into my auctions, bid my stuff up to heaven every week so I can buy myself a red 1965 442 convertible. I'm thinking white interior with those flashy white body accents.

Speaking of eBay and pool cues. Are you revealing if you are a player for the Szam/Balabuska now on eBay?

Kevin
 
How about this palmer?

TATE said:
I reported it as 'identity theft'. If you use this phrase it seems to move them along a little and it's easier to investigate than a copycat auction.

There was a time when if you ordered a Joss cue it was sent to you in a Fellini case. I have one that came with an old Joss too.

Chris
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Chris

The same scammers are "selling" this great looking Palmer:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Superb-Palmer-Pool-Cue-Restored-by-pfd-Studios-w-case_W0QQitemZ260139701067

This cue had to have been sold on eBay some time ago, do you remember (or do you own) it?

Kevin
 
Hey Folks !!
The Biggest reason I posted the link to this cue is because I thought it was a scam ! How These S.O.B's. are getting inactive user names and passwords is beyond me !
What I look for in the Scam is is years of inactivity. What they bought and sold (If you read the feedbacks you can usually pick up on this). And of course the who what were of there I.D.
You can rest assured If I thought I found a "Deal" on e-bay I would not post it here for you guys to bid on .
Please be careful when looking for that "deal". There's been a rash of fraud lately and the fact that we nip most of it in the bud here on AZ just tickles me !! Kevin Great post ! I started it it's own thread . http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=68102 Rep points for ya !!
Play safe !!
Bill
 
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Balabushka

[ Speaking of eBay and pool cues. Are you revealing if you are a player for the Szam/Balabuska now on eBay?

Kevin[/QUOTE]


Hi Kevin,

I am following the cue at auction, but I am not bidding on it. I have to admit that it has my interest, though. I would trade my 1965 blue 442 convertible for it, but not my red one (heh, heh, heh.......).;) ;)

Take care,

Will :eek:
 
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