Regarding Charlie Edwards Cue !!!

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Charlie Edwards said:
There is just one more thing about this cue order... and then I'll hush.

At this point in time it makes absolutely no difference because the ferrules had to be cut off anyway to shorten the shafts, but I ordered OPEN END ivory ferrules, not capped.

I don't want to start a debate about which is better or more proper. Just wanted to set the record straight as far as the order goes, since Eddie Wheat kept pounding us with the fact that he built it exactly like the customer wanted it.

Now I'm out of here, hopefully!

Well hell, its a good thing you didnt get your name engraved!!!

MADE FOR BILL KRAKOW !!
 
WheatCues said:
Charlie,

You bought the cue in the picture on the Myspace slide show !

It WAS and IS the 6-point cue that you have !

I made the error and said it was pics the eight point one I built at the same time last year with the same veneer work and didn't think twice about it ! my mistake but that didn't change anything !!!

You were NOT interested in all the specifics and bells and whistles and definitley wanted THAT pictured cue !

If you like I will build you another one at NO CHARGE just to make things right becasue I feel like you thing I intentionally defrauded you and this way you will have 2 cues for 700.00 !

And just for the record I sold that cue to you for 550.00 originally becasue of a slight runoff in one of the points that I wasn't completely happy with and you wanted an extra shaft w/ ivory built and that brought it right back up to 700.00

Regardless of the after the fact details... you still got one hell of a deal and just to show that I do like to make my customers's happy... I WILL build you another cue at NO CHARGE and verify the entire length at 58" !

I'm sorry if I made the length mistake ! It's always posible considering the various numbers I'm working on with custom orders at the same time but still doesn't make it acceptable !

My concern is with MY customer and as far as what everyone else has to say about this deal is irrevelant to me I won't even read the posts and others can trash me all they want...I care about my customers remarks only ! and since I do have a customer base now and are building from there they are my only interest at the moment !

Yes I made a few mistakes and errors.. so be it ! I'm willing to stand by them and rectify any diputes regarding them !

As I said before... I will be building cues for many years to come and are becoming more and more efficient as time goes by and the world of AZ is only the initial test market for me so that I can make any adjustments and work out the bugs before the main launch !


Let me know if you would like me build you a replacement cue becasue it bothers me that you are NOT 100% satisified with my work !



Very Sincerely, Eddie WHeat 321-631-1827
Everybody sees right through you Eddie.

It is only after a massive red rep campaign is started against you that all of the sudden you "care" about your customers, or about trying to do anything right. You were repeatedly asked by many forum members to do the right thing during this whole 8 month process, and you never "cared" in the least until now when the heat came down.

It's just like when you were repeatedly asked to stop spamming the main forum relentlessly with your encyclopedia posts of shameless self promotion. You never cared about that either, and even said you didn't care and would keep on doing it because it benefited you, and that was all you cared about. It was only after a gazillion members posted all at one time about how irate they were with your behavior that you finally relented and said you would stop doing it (and only because you were concerned it was enough bad public exposure to affect your pocketbook). Even then you still haven't stopped, and have even hijacked other people's threads for that pupose.

Eddie, you have never chosen to do what is right unless you were forced to. The only two things that have ever gotten you to even slightly curtail your inappropriate, dishonest and illegal behaviors are prison, and public uproar to the point that it might affect your pocketbook.

It is for that reason that I intend (as well as many many others it seems) to keep red repping you until you are completely in the red. That will insure that you are then forced to have to do the right thing in an attempt to rebuild your "online" reputation. Unfortunately for you, your real life reputation has been tarnished indefinitely, and possibly permanently, dependant upon your future behavior.

I keep maxing out on giving out rep, but as soon as I am able to I will finish giving green rep for doing the right thing to every person that has said they are giving you red rep. You are the poster child (along with Varney) for what red rep was intended for.

Mr Edwards does not want anything to do with you in any way (to the point of refusing your free cue offer), and does not want you to mention or refer to him or this situation in any way. My suggestion to you (forgive me if I am out of line Charlie) is to go ahead and build that free cue for Charlie since you obviously still owe him. Sending him a full refund is much better, but I'm not going to bother wasting my breathe on something there is no chance you will ever do.

That way he can either choose to keep the cue (make sure the specs are actually right this time), or he can sell it to recoop his losses. You already have his address, so just ship it to him once you are finished without saying a word. Here are the caveats though. Do not send it signature required. Do NOT say a word to anybody about it, now or in the future, so that you honor his request of not having to speak about this situation any further. Remember Eddie, sometimes (most of the time) it should be about doing the right thing, not about the publicity.
 
simple rep rules to live by

JoeyInCali said:
I'm rep'd-out too.
1) You can only rep 10 people a day. (red or green, doesn't matter)

2) Once you rep somebody, you must rep 19 others before you can rep that person again.

Hence:
You can only RED-REP Eddie once every 2 days, and that's only if you find 19 others to bestow rep on.

I say he's toast by Saturday.
 
When we started this yesterday, he was almost on the second page of rep leaders. Now, he's down on page 11.

The hard part was getting him down from the high part of the leader board. I have a hunch that he's gonna really start falling off now.
 
Same here, all rep'd out until I can reload again. I will continue giving rep rep to Eddie until he is number 1 in red though. I will also finish giving green rep to every person that has posted saying that they gave him red rep, it will just take some time.

And to inform those that don't know or never thought about it, even if a thread is locked and closed you can still give rep to any of the posts in the thread.
 
jasonlaus said:
SHIIITTTT!!!! I got to typing & hit submit with it still on approve GOD&^&$IT. AAAHHHHHHHHH:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: SONOFA#####
Bump for the "red rep campaign".

And please pay attention so you don't make the same mistake as jason! It's probably a good idea to click on "I disapprove" before you even start typing so you don't end up forgetting.
 
I agree that E.W. is not a good business man. Do I believe he is trying to be? Yes. But he has a lot to learn yet. I believe his heart is in the right place by offering another cue to Charlie, but he should have understood better what was required of him to rectify the situation. Maybe one of his friends can sit him down and explain it to him.

I do hope he suceeds in his business. I applaud anyone that tries to make a go of it on their own. From the forums, apparently he does make a good cue, but screwed up on this one. Everyone is entitled to screw ups.

As far as the red rep campaign, you won't see me participating in it. I will not have my name associated with it. However, I do agree that his rep was rather high. But that easily happens when a few high count people rep him. It adds up quick.

The reason I won't participate, besides what I already mentioned, is that it seems like a herd of sheep on here. His rep was high, then one person says he will give green rep if you red rep him, and many have sold out their character to get green rep. I say sold out, because if you really thought he should have been red repped, you should have already done it. Not wait to hurt someone else just because you can gain from it. To me, that is lower than what E.W. has done.

E.W. will get his in his lack of orders from people on here. That's the result of his lack of business sense. And is warranted. Buyer beware. ect. But, to try and hurt someones business because you can get green rep for it, or because it's the game everyone seems to be playing today, and you want to fit in, is just wrong.

If the shoe fits, think about it. If it doesn't, then this doesn't apply to you.

Right now this thread is starting to look like a bunch of school kid bullies that just found someone to pick on. If you don't like his cues or his business practice, don't buy one. There is more than enough info on the forum for anyone to search and see what he is like.

Some of you may be doing this nonsense in the guise of making the forums better. You aren't. You are making them look pretty bad. Standing up for wrongs is one thing, this has gone way past that. And is one of the reasons a lot of great posters don't post anymore.
 
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Neil said:
I agree that E.W. is not a good business man. Do I believe he is trying to be? Yes. But he has a lot to learn yet. I believe his heart is in the right place by offering another cue to Charlie, but he should have understood better what was required of him to rectify the situation. Maybe one of his friends can sit him down and explain it to him.

I do hope he suceeds in his business. I applaud anyone that tries to make a go of it on their own. From the forums, apparently he does make a good cue, but screwed up on this one. Everyone is entitled to screw ups.

As far as the red rep campaign, you won't see me participating in it. I will not have my name associated with it. However, I do agree that his rep was rather high. But that easily happens when a few high count people rep him. It adds up quick.

The reason I won't participate, besides what I already mentioned, is that it seems like a herd of sheep on here. His rep was high, then one person says he will give green rep if you red rep him, and many have sold out their character to get green rep. I say sold out, because if you really thought he should have been red repped, you should have already done it. Not wait to hurt someone else just because you can gain from it. To me, that is lower than what E.W. has done.

E.W. will get his in his lack of orders from people on here. That's the result of his lack of business sense. And is warranted. Buyer beware. ect. But, to try and hurt someones business because you can get green rep for it, or because it's the game everyone seems to be playing today, and you want to fit in, is just wrong.

If the shoe fits, think about it. If it doesn't, then this doesn't apply to you.

Right now this thread is starting to look like a bunch of school kid bullies that just found someone to pick on. If you don't like his cues or his business practice, don't buy one. There is more than enough info on the forum for anyone to search and see what he is like.

Some of you may be doing this nonsense in the guise of making the forums better. You aren't. You are making them look pretty bad. Standing up for wrongs is one thing, this has gone way past that. And is one of the reasons a lot of great posters don't post anymore.

I agree with most of what you said. I did red-rep him because that's what the system is for, in my opinion. I'll green-rep him to offset when he pays Charlie $150 in CASH to complete his promise. Charlie has so much class, he walked away without confrontation and took it on the chin. I say, horseshit. Pay the man what you said you would. Charlie may not care anymore because he's a gentleman, but step up....be a MAN...and follow-through. Then, maybe, people wouldn't bash EW anymore. Just do the right thing, that's all. If he admits he screwed up and sends charlie his money, I'll man-up and green rep the guy. Everyone screws up...just fix the screw up.
 
Neil, I have to respectfully disagree, although you have some valid points. I think that the vast majority of us are sick and tired of seeing EW getting away with murder, and using his trial to advertise his hit agency. I know that this may not be the best analogy, but the only way I know to stop this is to do or say something, and I would hate for a newbie to see EW's full green rep and get suckered. In the time I have been here, this is the only instance that I have used red rep, but I feel it is fully justified. I see where you are coming from, I really do, but I think that if the mods are going to let him continue to post this garbage, it is up to us to open peoples eyes. I have nothing against EW as a person, but as a business this is awful, and represents this board in a bad light, imo. And after all, isn't that what rep is? Someones opinion? Sincerely, Matt
 
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