You are absolutly-dammed-straight-dead-on correct in feeling that way.
Respect.
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You are absolutly-dammed-straight-dead-on correct in feeling that way.
:thumbup::bow-down::slap::rotflmao1::rotflmao1: .... it seems that "touche`" would be appropriate here. :groucho: Great line!
Great post
Grady's knowledge and experience alone warrants respect. As for those wondering if he could hang with the other pros there I will say that 14.1 is a game of experience and finesse which are two things attained over years and not hours.
Once finding that it was an qualifier/invitational I can say that I have changed my opinion on the matter. Considering the invitational status I would most certainly send invites out to the old guard. I believe by not doing this it was a blunder. I think you could draw a lot more people to watch 14.1 tournament that for example Grady and Danny D than say Yu Ram and Charlie (no disrespect intended....just my opinion).
If they want more butts in the seats the legends can show them the way.
*edit* I hope Grady does go to a qualifier and knocks em dead. If he won it would be the ultimate revenge.
Grady's knowledge and experience alone warrants respect. As for those wondering if he could hang with the other pros there I will say that 14.1 is a game of experience and finesse which are two things attained over years and not hours.
Once finding that it was an qualifier/invitational I can say that I have changed my opinion on the matter. Considering the invitational status I would most certainly send invites out to the old guard. I believe by not doing this it was a blunder. I think you could draw a lot more people to watch 14.1 tournament that for example Grady and Danny D than say Yu Ram and Charlie (no disrespect intended....just my opinion).
If they want more butts in the seats the legends can show them the way.
*edit* I hope Grady does go to a qualifier and knocks em dead. If he won it would be the ultimate revenge.
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Wrong. Dead wrong. They have people that show up at events with the sole intention of doing so. And if they were on an open forum, it would probably be worse that what other would see here, don't kid yourself.
Lets go one further, and say it's 1%. That's one out of a 100, or ten out of 1,000.
1st off, let me preface this by saying I've never typed something here I wouldn't say in person, and have meet well over a dozen people directly from the AZ.
That said, there is, was, and always will be hecklers, nay sayers, and people in general who will want to tear down a celebrity, star, historical figure, athlete, whatever.
The Internet is just another medium for people to do so, and in may cases, behind a veil of anonymity.
Anybody who believes they are immune to this are fooling themselves, and setting themselves up for failure. Hopefully, these people have enough confidence in themselves, and don't take themselves so seriously that they cannot see who these people attacking them are, and what their intentions are.
In the past, especially on the easypooltutor.com days, I've seen some off the chain responses, cumulating with an old man getting punched at a pool event, and (personally) valuable resources leaving because of (1)ONE heckler, meanwhile, 100s of other posters were hanging on the pro players every word. It was a joke, and unfair to the masses, that one person could ruin it for everyone else. BUT, IMO, it was as much of the pros fault as the heckler, for letting the heckler win, and the fact is that hecklers will come and go.
Even listen to Joe Rogan, as large a celebrity as we have here, do you REALLY think he is immune to scrutiny? Believe you me, he is not, and he openly discusses the knuckle head meat head fighters, the fans, of MMA, the player haters of his acting career. Let's not even get started about the TRADITION of hecklers he deals with while performing stand up.
JB, I agree with you 100%, along with many others in this thread. I've often been tempted to post responses to threads that "get me riled", but fortunately, I've resisted. I go by the rule of "if you can't say something nice, or at least tastefully, keep it to yourself." There have been a number of Pro's who have come and gone from this board as a result of the hecklers in the crowd, which is a loss to those of us who respect and value their participation. Just my 2 cents.....
BTW Jay, cute little one in your avatar!
BTW Jay, cute little one in your avatar!
Agreed. We all reap what we sew.
Learn to read, John. I never insulted Grady once. I said he was being a whiner. I say the same thing to anybody that cries just for the sake of crying. He hasn't got an invite the past 3 years, yet every year around the same time, he puts these posts up.
I have said nothing bad about the man's legacy, or his affect on pool in general. I have bought nearly every one of the man's tapes on kicking and pool. Because I post a difference of opinion means I disrespected the man? Get a life, Barton. Seriously. You come here talking about punching me for what I've said, when you have been the guy insulting people the most of anyone on this board. Because you are captain keyboard and a walking thesaurus, you wax prophetically from your high mountain about YOUR VIEW of the pool world. You can insult anyone you want with free reign, yet someone posts a simple difference of opinion with a "legend", and that gives you the right to call me stupid, moronic, or whatever else you want to come up with?
I don't like jump cues. You have a problem with that. I'm OK with that. I have no problem with Grady. I have started no threads blasting ANY pro on this board. In fact, I don't think I posted a thing the past couple years every time Grady put up a rant post. It's gone far enough. He knows it's an invitational event, and he's been told he's not getting an invite.
Compare it to the greats of the other sports you've been talking about. When is the last time Nicklaus complained about not being invited to ANY event? He's the winningest golfer on the planet, yet you don't hear him publicly complain about lack of invites to events. He had his time. Grady needs to stop opening this issue up every year on this board. He's been told he's not getting an invite. Therefore, the issue is dead. He should just drop it.
Collins, I know you'll respond with something "clever" that calls me dumb, or something else. I'm done with you. You've proven this during your times on ASP, RSB, and AZ. You get your jollies out of confrontation, and somehow you get your rocks off by insulting people behind flowery verse. I am done with you. IGNORE is on, so if you post a response, it's merely to your mass of fans. I know you'll respond, though. You cannot help yourself.
Extremely well said!
Am I misreading something? Is calling someone a whiner on an international forum not an "insult"?
I agree with Shawn. I don't see anywhere in his posts where he blasts Grady. Furthermore, he and everyone else on here have acknowledged that Grady is a legend of the game. What I have a problem with is people like JB that say it's not ok for others to have a differing opinion.
How is it ok for Grady to come on here at the same time every year and start 10 threads about the exact SAME thing, yet others that have done that (Bernie, LWW, etc..) have gotten blasted and get blasted routinely? I guess if they had played good pool once then it would be ok?
Nobody is disrespecting Grady by saying he should let the issue go. In fact, more of the people with this opinion are actually trying to help him. If he would have let it go 3 years ago then he might be getting an invite today. If his whole intent was to constantly berade CW from now until the end of time, then by all means continue, but what is he trying to accomplish with these threads every year?
Also, what makes it ok for Grady or anyone else to say that someone's opinion that was waged in a civil manner (Example - Roy) doesn't deserve to be in his threads?
John Barton has an agenda against Shawn and that is abundantly clear now. So he starts a thread saying people are disrespecting Grady and garners support from people when in reality I don't see where anyone has disrespected anybody. All I saw was some people that had differences of opinion on the subject and chose to voice them. If that is wrong then what is the point of an open forum?
How is it ok for Grady to come on here at the same time every year and start 10 threads about the exact SAME thing, yet others that have done that (Bernie, LWW, etc..) have gotten blasted and get blasted routinely? I guess if they had played good pool once then it would be ok?
Nobody is disrespecting Grady by saying he should let the issue go. In fact, more of the people with this opinion are actually trying to help him. If he would have let it go 3 years ago then he might be getting an invite today. If his whole intent was to constantly berade CW from now until the end of time, then by all means continue, but what is he trying to accomplish with these threads every year?
Also, what makes it ok for Grady or anyone else to say that someone's opinion that was waged in a civil manner (Example - Roy) doesn't deserve to be in his threads?
John Barton has an agenda against Shawn and that is abundantly clear now. So he starts a thread saying people are disrespecting Grady and garners support from people when in reality I don't see where anyone has disrespected anybody. All I saw was some people that had differences of opinion on the subject and chose to voice them. If that is wrong then what is the point of an open forum?
I agree with this paragraph. You don't see the greats for the most part complain or care at all, BUT I am not sure they are also on internet forums either...so we may not see or hear of this since it isn't documented on some internet site. I am not sure what starting 2-4 threads for the AZ world to see is going to do to help Grady's thoughts on why he wasn't invited. Is he hoping to get sympathy posts or even angry posts from other members saying it is BS that he isn't invited etc...? Is that going to make him feel better or is he just venting online? I can see some frustration on his end because I have been there for one reason or another and I guess posting helps a bit to get it off the chest even though it isn't the same as talking about it in person. Has he called the appropriate parties to discuss this with them? I haven't read every single post of his or others so don't trash my post if he has already done this. I would agree that disagreeing respectfully is always a good approach instead of belittling someone, or just ingnoring them if you don't like what they post is another thing you can do. Some good discussion material here....hopefully we can keep it objective and not personal.
I DID NOT say Grady does not command respect. In fact, based on most of the posts I've read on AZ, he is well respected by many people. I'm sure he realizes that.
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OK, that's great, but again, let me play Devil's advocate, and bring up a classic Grady post, entitled "Disgrace is what it is!", with a one sided rant slanted his way. I'm quite sure he had some valid points, but there are two sides to every story.
When you kick in the front door with a thread like like that, don't be surprised by the reaction of others.
Again, I'm nobody to criticize or or chastise a person who is my elder, like Grady, and I really appreciate his contributions to this MB and the sport!
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Glad you like the case! Now Tony will be on my butt to get his new one done.
Still waiting....but not on your butt about it...just reminding.
Steve
Yes Gregg, you can respect someone and still not agree with them all the time.
well said!
Well said John, well said! I, too, have felt the way you do / have at times, BUT I also usually feel that there are many things or people on this board which I can personally learn from. Like me or not for whatever reason, I'm not going to just quit and go away because I have learned just how much I love this game, and hope things get better in this game so that I will want to share it with my brand new son someday. In my experience thus far, I prefer the female pros for their demeanor...but haven't met alot of the male pros yet so I'm eager to change my opinion. What other sport can you truly get to hang out with the professionals of that sport? I know of no other so lets try to get along with them regardless of whether we agree with them or not. They are the ones who keep this game alive for those of us who will never be at their level, so I personally respect them all but don't always agree with things they do or say. Thanks for this topic John, rep to you sir!
Well said John, well said! I, too, have felt the way you do / have at times, BUT I also usually feel that there are many things or people on this board which I can personally learn from. Like me or not for whatever reason, I'm not going to just quit and go away because I have learned just how much I love this game, and hope things get better in this game so that I will want to share it with my brand new son someday. In my experience thus far, I prefer the female pros for their demeanor...but haven't met alot of the male pros yet so I'm eager to change my opinion. What other sport can you truly get to hang out with the professionals of that sport? I know of no other so lets try to get along with them regardless of whether we agree with them or not. They are the ones who keep this game alive for those of us who will never be at their level, so I personally respect them all but don't always agree with things they do or say. Thanks for this topic John, rep to you sir!
Just curious, since I was one of three people that Grady supposedly put on ignore, is this in any way directed to me?
Seeing as I'm the only one that John personally attacked in the Grady posts, I'm going to go out on a limb and say this thread was addressed at me. Funny - I've bought Danny Harriman's DVD on here, Jimmy Reid's DVDs from here through Darth's link in the FS section, got an autograph and DVD from John Schmidt through here, have a fairly good relationship with Blackjack, yet I am disrespecting pro players. I post my opinion on Grady not getting invited to an invitational event, and I get challenged to a $10k match against Grady by Barton, and basically told I am the scum of the Earth.
And I'M one of the 5%? Would love to know what I should do to become one of the 95%.
buy a case from John at full retail?