Revo shaft now available for purchase

Kimmo H. said:
^ Thats a pretty combo :smile:

Have you played with it yet and how do you like it? I'm still waiting to receive mine, estimated delivery was today but apparently it is late. Hopefully tomorrow :rolleyes:
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Thanks Kimmo!

I have yet to play with it. Initial impressions though are +. The diameter of the shaft @12.4 imo is better for sighting. The taper feels better on the hands/fingers. Let's just hope it plays as good or better than it looks or feels.
 
Marky Mark said:
Thanks Kimmo!

I have yet to play with it. Initial impressions though are +. The diameter of the shaft @12.4 imo is better for sighting. The taper feels better on the hands/fingers. Let's just hope it plays as good or better than it looks or feels.
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I thought the 12.4 and the 12.9 had the same taper.
 
I found the 12.4 has a higher deflection than 12.9. Testing side by side. The estimate different is similar 314-3 vs. vantage.
 
9Ballr said:
Another product designed to make people feel like it's going to make them a better player.
Now you can spend even less time in the pool hall practicing!!!!
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The same could be said for leather tips.
 
minh2015 said:
I found the 12.4 has a higher deflection than 12.9. Testing side by side. The estimate different is similar 314-3 vs. vantage.
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I have a completely opposite opinion; based on side by side attempts.
Same construction in a smaller diameter; thus lighter front mass... I'm not sure it's feasible to have more deflection that the 12.9.
Obviously, everything is subjective without a repeatable/mechanical test method, but it doesn't compute.

If you strongly feel that the 12.9 has less deflection or simply prefer the larger diameter... I would be interested in swapping one of my 12.9 shafts for a 12.4.
 
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No wonder there is no action around. The silver bullet billiard industry has hustled them out of their gambling money. What use to be one $50 to a $100 cue and a breaker off the wall, has become $500 to $5,000 worth of silver bullets, with the next big "shoot a ball better" coming out next week. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
No wonder there is no action around. The silver bullet billiard industry has hustled them out of their gambling money. What use to be one $50 to a $100 cue and a breaker off the wall, has become $500 to $5,000 worth of silver bullets, with the next big "shoot a ball better" coming out next week. Johnnyt
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I shoot just as bad as I ever did....lol. Never minded putting something on the line vs someone better than me; worth it for the experience and their "A" game. However, other than the occasional race or tournaments, Im not into the action anyway.
If I shoot any better at all it's only because of the motivation to play more over the last 6 months.
Actually it's a reduction in the hours at work as I get older and more time enjoying the game.
 
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minh2015 said:
I found the 12.4 has a higher deflection than 12.9. Testing side by side. The estimate different is similar 314-3 vs. vantage.
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Hard to believe a thinner version would deflect more. But i'll check when I get my 12.4

Were you using the same tip?
 
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Bca8ball said:
I have a completely opposite opinion; based on side by side attempts.
Same construction in a smaller diameter; thus lighter front mass... I'm not sure it's feasible to have more deflection that the 12.9.
Obviously, everything is subjective without a repeatable/mechanical test method, but it doesn't compute.

If you strongly feel that the 12.9 has less deflection or simply prefer the larger diameter... I would be interested in swapping one of my 12.9 shafts for a 12.4.
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My 12.4 is a hair heavier than my 12.9. And like you said, without a repeatable/mechanical test method, everything is subjective. I did 5 shots with each shaft. OB about 3ft away from corner pocket, CB about 3ft away from OB. Line up straight CB, OB, and pocket. Using center height, 1 tip of right english, medium speed, leveled cue. Started with the 12.9, aiming til I pocket 5 balls in a row. Switched over to 12.4, using the same aiming, posittions and speed: I miss all 5 shots in a row to the same side of pocket. Again this is just my result, I hope I am wrong. I do not have the same brand tip on both shafts, but I consider the them very similar both soft tip.
 
What side of the pocket are the shots missing - right side?

minh2015 said:
My 12.4 is a hair heavier than my 12.9. And like you said, without a repeatable/mechanical test method, everything is subjective. I did 5 shots with each shaft. OB about 3ft away from corner pocket, CB about 3ft away from OB. Line up straight CB, OB, and pocket. Using center height, 1 tip of right english, medium speed, leveled cue. Started with the 12.9, aiming til I pocket 5 balls in a row. Switched over to 12.4, using the same aiming, posittions and speed: I miss all 5 shots in a row to the same side of pocket. Again this is just my result, I hope I am wrong. I do not have the same brand tip on both shafts, but I consider the them very similar both soft tip.
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To be honest, if someone buys a LD shaft or any other form of equipment under the guise that it will "improve their game" is sad. Do people really think that? As a young player going to my first predator cue(years back) I didn't think I was going to get better just *because I bought a certain cue. I did get better, but I put in a lot of work too. In fact, Id bet that I would be just as good now if I switched to a Regular shaft. It's all about compensation and PREFERENCE when it comes to equipment. I play with predator gear because I like the way their products look or perform. People need to quit hating so much. I'm sure we would all have super expensive custom bumperless hoppes with 5-6 veneers and black rhino ivory inlays with an elephant ear wrap sitting in a custom tooled baby seal skin case that's a 3X5 to hold our other playless southwests or searings. But,, to each is their own.
 
MissippiBrock said:
To be honest, if someone buys a LD shaft or any other form of equipment under the guise that it will "improve their game" is sad. Do people really think that? As a young player going to my first predator cue(years back) I didn't think I was going to get better just *because I bought a certain cue. I did get better, but I put in a lot of work too. In fact, Id bet that I would be just as good now if I switched to a Regular shaft. It's all about compensation and PREFERENCE when it comes to equipment. I play with predator gear because I like the way their products look or perform. People need to quit hating so much. I'm sure we would all have super expensive custom bumperless hoppes with 5-6 veneers and black rhino ivory inlays with an elephant ear wrap sitting in a custom tooled baby seal skin case that's a 3X5 to hold our other playless southwests or searings. But,, to each is their own.
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I agree with you in theory; obviously no one is going to improve without the time/effort but there is also no reason not the benefit from technology.

I have thought all 4 of my kids the game over the years. Two of them developed the same passion for it that my wife and I have. I can't begin to count the amount of conversations about deflection, aim points, compensation etc...
I read and hear all the pro/cons about LD shafts and all the traditionalists bucking change; some of this is as a preference and some because the mast production products directly cut into their business. It is what it is...
From a non-professional teaching stand point... my experience is that LD shafts make the game a little easier for new players to pickup/add the next level (of adding spin for position). Hopefully easier allows more interest, thus more involvement.
My analogy for those that contend that LD and technology isn't good for the game; I compare them to hammer manufacturers complaining about nail guns. There's room and use for both.
 
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9Ballr said:
Yes of course.

It's ridiculous to be telling people "it won't ding or scratch".

Geezzz.........and people fall for this?

Is it just because this is yet another product that's supposed to make their game better??? LOL.....

NOTHING can replace hours spent shooting balls.

You can do the exact same thing with any shaft that is straight and has a tip on it. Just practice doing it.
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It would be idiotic for someone assume buying a shaft, a cue, a dvd, learning an aiming system etc will instantly make them a great player. There is nothing better than practice, you're absolutely right. That said, certain things make improvement quicker and easier. Technology has made your average player better. Same is true for a sport like golf. Buying the latest driver won't make you Rory, but using a 1970s wood driver will make becoming Rory impossible.

The fact is, this shaft and really all LD shafts have changed the game. Made it easier to improve.
 
Bca8ball said:
I have a completely opposite opinion; based on side by side attempts.
Same construction in a smaller diameter; thus lighter front mass... I'm not sure it's feasible to have more deflection that the 12.9.
Obviously, everything is subjective without a repeatable/mechanical test method, but it doesn't compute.

If you strongly feel that the 12.9 has less deflection or simply prefer the larger diameter... I would be interested in swapping one of my 12.9 shafts for a 12.4.
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It's the way you guys are stroking the ball that produces different results. Just a little angle in cue position can add deflection to a shot. Especially if you are raise the butt end of the cue, even just a little will have drastic changes in deflection.
 
cleary said:
It would be idiotic for someone assume buying a shaft, a cue, a dvd, learning an aiming system etc will instantly make them a great player. There is nothing better than practice, you're absolutely right. That said, certain things make improvement quicker and easier. Technology has made your average player better. Same is true for a sport like golf. Buying the latest driver won't make you Rory, but using a 1970s wood driver will make becoming Rory impossible.

The fact is, this shaft and really all LD shafts have changed the game. Made it easier to improve.
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True story. If you have two equal players with one playing with a quality cue and the other playing with a house cue then I am betting on the one with a quality cue they know. Don't get me wrong as I know there are some things that are just gimmicks but equipment now is certainly better then it was which helps people to play better then using the old school stuff.
 
Fast Lenny said:
True story. If you have two equal players with one playing with a quality cue and the other playing with a house cue then I am betting on the one with a quality cue they know. Don't get me wrong as I know there are some things that are just gimmicks but equipment now is certainly better then it was which helps people to play better then using the old school stuff.
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If you look at the landscape of pro players out there, a huge majority play with an LD shaft. Most of which do not get $1 for playing with that shaft either... There's a reason for that.

After playing with a Revo for a few months now, I'm not sure how anyone has a negative comment other than looks and price. But if you think it's just a marketing gimmick, then you're lost.
 
Anyone who thinks technology doesn't make a game easier never never played golf lol cavity back clubs make a world of difference for amateurs golfers. Of course you still need to practice and develop a consistent swing. But the consistency is much easier with a forgiving club in your hand.
 
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