Rick Chudy/ what do you think of this design?
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",,,my favroite cues of all time ( sale Pending) tell me what you think?"
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i think these designs are for show only. i don't expect to see anyone "playing" with them. there comes a point when design is for design's sake and is not necessarily related to the form with which it follows.
so when i parnethesized "playing", what i meant was that these designs have little to do with cues.they can be used anywhere,,,tapestry, doilies, textiles, silverware. to me, that means they become something more like affectations.
these curly que, fleur de lis styles bother me because they're just fancy emblems stuck on the butt of a cue. they are disparate from the integrity of the cue. contrast these with a mcworter or that fancy gina that mottey copied.....those two get fancy , but the designs has evolved from your basic cue. they integrate with the cue and pay homage to them.
these curly designs are like stickers that were pasted onto a cue butt, the genesis of them being "well, all i have to do to make a fancy cue is put something fancy on the butt"
it is the price cuemaking has payed with advanced cnc/computers....like movies' overdependence on cgi instead of storyline.
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i think these designs are for show only. i don't expect to see anyone "playing" with them. there comes a point when design is for design's sake and is not necessarily related to the form with which it follows.
so when i parnethesized "playing", what i meant was that these designs have little to do with cues.they can be used anywhere,,,tapestry, doilies, textiles, silverware. to me, that means they become something more like affectations.
these curly que, fleur de lis styles bother me because they're just fancy emblems stuck on the butt of a cue. they are disparate from the integrity of the cue. contrast these with a mcworter or that fancy gina that mottey copied.....those two get fancy , but the designs has evolved from your basic cue. they integrate with the cue and pay homage to them.
these curly designs are like stickers that were pasted onto a cue butt, the genesis of them being "well, all i have to do to make a fancy cue is put something fancy on the butt"
it is the price cuemaking has payed with advanced cnc/computers....like movies' overdependence on cgi instead of storyline.
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Fancy-
Hey, Bill-
Rick is an artist and has designed his own software and machines to carry out his creations. This one is not my favorite, I prefer the Cavalier you sold just recently. I own a Chudy and it is a basic six-pointer with veneers and it hits really well. Rick's cues are starting to create more and more of a buzz and get more and more expensive.
I don't think I could afford one now
cornerstone said:
Hey, Bill-
Rick is an artist and has designed his own software and machines to carry out his creations. This one is not my favorite, I prefer the Cavalier you sold just recently. I own a Chudy and it is a basic six-pointer with veneers and it hits really well. Rick's cues are starting to create more and more of a buzz and get more and more expensive.
I don't think I could afford one now
somethings wrong!
first off designs on cues are for the eyes. the old saying "its the eye that buys" is true to every cue buyer out there but for the cuemaker it is a way to push the envelope and try new and exciting things. as for the cnc part, all cnc is is a way to make the machining more precise. i'm not saying that not using cnc makes the cues bad but with cnc the end result is a better looking and more precisely made cue. your opinion though noted is not based on facts but on ignorance to the trade..
bruin70 said:
first off designs on cues are for the eyes. the old saying "its the eye that buys" is true to every cue buyer out there but for the cuemaker it is a way to push the envelope and try new and exciting things. as for the cnc part, all cnc is is a way to make the machining more precise. i'm not saying that not using cnc makes the cues bad but with cnc the end result is a better looking and more precisely made cue. your opinion though noted is not based on facts but on ignorance to the trade..
skins said:
i don't know if you're trying to start something or not. there are no "facts" in this thread. cornerstone asked for an opinion. he understands that. as far as your "ignorance of the trade" remark,,,,my remarks are about design and how it relates to the whole, which btw is also about how it appeals to the eyes, in case this point has gone over your head.
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engraved
the cue show was wondering how he did it? and he would not even tell me, so dont ask.he is a true artist and his design are his own!he has set the bar very high ! and he keeps comming up with things that are new and fresh!
it is ingraved ebony! every cue maker atTATE said:
the cue show was wondering how he did it? and he would not even tell me, so dont ask.he is a true artist and his design are his own!he has set the bar very high ! and he keeps comming up with things that are new and fresh!
I'm of a similar mind to Bruin. I won't say it isn't a cue, but that I prefer traditionally styled cues that let a few pieces of nicely combined wood do the talking. I'm that way about most things. I don't knock those who like the more ornate cues, and I commend the builders for their artistry.
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Fine looking cue, no matter what they say. It's art in wood and Ivory, not on a canvas. RC is a true artist.
cornerstone said:
I probably would have left this alone except for the term JAM UP, God I hate that Term. First of all hit is subjective, second you say that about every cue you are selling or talking about. I can say that cue hits like crap and be every bit as right as you, due to the fact that it's a subjective point of view. Please refrain from telling us how jam up you feel the cue hits Bill, there is a good chance you haven't hit a ball with that particular cue.
Now on to the cue, I like the cue and the design, and the maker for that matter RC is a true artist and for the record I liked the ebony with silver crosses he had. And the other RC3 cues I've hit with have hit good, put that is no measure as to how that one hits or any others he may make down the line. And it's just my opinion based on the feel I like.
Jim
cornerstone said:
First of all, it's a beautiful cue. It reminds me of French scrollwork, which I've always liked. These patterns are commonly found engraved in the metalwork of expensive guns, and my bet is it is a gun engraver who did them.
It's similar to scrimshaw technique. Of course, we've seen scrimshawed bone. For example, I've seen this cue up close, scrimmed black horn:
http://www.chalkers.com/id127.htm
This is where I agree with Bruin. Now, I don't know about the RC cue, but there sure are some cues that should not be played - this Porper is one of them. The horn is brittle and will crack with extremes in weather or impact. If the art is just scrimmed, I imagine it will get damaged easily if it gets dropped or banged on a table edge.
I once had a cue show "art" cue. The maker told me not to play with it because the numerous thin lines on inlaid ivory and horn rings were fragile. It's nice to know that a fancy art cue is a good player, but who really cares? Good playing cues are as far away as your $15 Dufferin Bar Cue.
Some cues are for art, some are for playing. I will use the gun analogy again, would I take a $25,000 Dakota Arms engraved and hand carved presentation stocked showpiece on a deer hunt through the rain and mud? Uhhh, I think the Winchester would do just fine.
Chris
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Rick makes beautifull cues.I would have to say that they tend to lean more towards the art then the playing.That said I would take every cue he made if I had the money.
The only thing I have against cnc is that a CM can almost mass produce his cues and when there are too many out there it drops the value.
The only thing I have against cnc is that a CM can almost mass produce his cues and when there are too many out there it drops the value.
jim, I do not have one of the sidded veneer.and in my opinnion. what makes a cue maker is (consistancy in hit) and ricks cues all play consistant! because rick will not let one out of his shop unless it played great! and every once in a while there is that cue that just plays JAM UP, over and above a great playing cue!! and this is one of them! when i was talking to rick about choosing a cue for my site even rick said that this cue plays incredable! and the gentleman, collector,strong player luan ngyun call me todayJimBo said:
to let me know how jam up it played. As for your comment that iwas telling people how well it played for a sale ,in the post previously ,I stated that a sale was already pending!so you my friend were wrong in calling me out as to my motive for saying that . and i dont have to push a cuemaker or cue for a sale because the cues i choose to sell ,sell themselves. and I have a 7 day guarntee that if you dont like the cue you buy from me, for any reason i will buy it back in the same condition. including if you dont like how it plays! that is why iam sooo picky as to what put on my site!! I have been apoligetic in the past to you when i open me mouth before my brain is engaged! and i believe one should be comming my way. thank you jim you keep us all on our toes!
